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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 21 Sep 2006 : 01:26:40
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
Exactly 
along that line of logic if that if the arrogance, stupidity and madness of Karsus shaped his world's future for milennia and that makes him a hero so then logically Adolf Hitler is a hero too...as his actions has directed and shaped the course of real world civilization for almost 100 years now...probably for the next 1000 years or more...
I'd hate to sit at a table with other role players that think Hitler is a hero  
but I figure you are just goofing around with that suggestion 
Fellow scribes... Let's just make sure we keep the real-world references left at that. I don't want to see this scroll degenerate into a debate about heroes/heroines in our world.
'Tis just a reminder...
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Acolyte
Italy
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Posted - 21 Sep 2006 : 18:00:39
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| tough one, but according to the definition of 'hero' and to my limited knowledge i'd say some might be, king azoun vi, the god torm, alustriel silverhand, storm silverhand, and queen alicia kendrick. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 23:08:45
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 00:44:39
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| Brunnor Battlehammer, the dwarf just doesn't stop which is a great trait in a dwarf. |
If I waited till I knew what I was doing, I'd never get anything done.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 02:00:40
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Although I think choosing a "greatest" anything is foolish and doomed to die out into endless debate, I'd like to remind all scribes of another sort of hero: the quiet nurturer, who sacrifices and doesn't kick over the applecart, and in so doing, holds things together. Often sacrificing own life or freedom or advancement for the good of others.
Such heroes as: Filfaeril Obarskyr, Laeral, Alustriel, and Tessaril Winter.
Just some food for thought. (A case can even be made for Piergeiron, or for that matter Laspeera.)
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Edited by - The Hooded One on 24 Nov 2006 02:02:58 |
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 00:13:23
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Although I think choosing a "greatest" anything is foolish and doomed to die out into endless debate, I'd like to remind all scribes of another sort of hero: the quiet nurturer, who sacrifices and doesn't kick over the applecart, and in so doing, holds things together. Often sacrificing own life or freedom or advancement for the good of others.
Such heroes as: Filfaeril Obarskyr, Laeral, Alustriel, and Tessaril Winter.
Just some food for thought. (A case can even be made for Piergeiron, or for that matter Laspeera.)
love,
THO
That's actually a really great point--even in real life. Without nurturers, we probably wouldn't even have most of the other kinds of heroes (who would be there to support them?). |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
209 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2006 : 02:10:17
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The interpretation of the greatest hero/heroine differs from person to person, Each finding the greatest by their own criteria, so I will try to explain why, in my mind, king Azoun is the greatest hero.
He is/was faeruns answer to king Arthur, holding the realm together by force of presense, and allways mindfull of the "little person", the very picture of the saying 'to be noble isent a birthright it comes from the heart', allthough he was both. And the way he meets his demise, in service to cormyr, is also a factor. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 23:54:09
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 00:00:32
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| Hm...Greatest hero in the Realms...Why, Ed Greenwood, of course! Where would we be without Ed Greenwood? Eh, oh, Ed's not technically a Realms citizen? D'Arvit...Well, let's settle for Elminster and pretend it's Ed, shall we? |
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In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 05:07:33
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Yay! Well said, Aglaranna! (applauds!)
love,
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 05 Dec 2006 : 12:00:54
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Im going to say Azoun IV and Midnight, Adon and Kelemvor
Azoun IV for stopping the Tuigans
Midnight, Adon and Kelemvor for recovering the Tablets of Fate(Cyrics not included because he persued the Tablets of Fate for selfish reasons) |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
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Aglaranna
Learned Scribe
166 Posts |
Posted - 17 Dec 2006 : 23:44:16
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 I got applause! WOW... |
"You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears
And kindness that can kill
I will choose the path that's clear
I will choose freewill." -'Freewill' by Rush |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 16:26:26
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That is an easy question. The greatest hero EVER is...
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 16:58:20
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Im going to say Azoun IV and Midnight, Adon and Kelemvor
Azoun IV for stopping the Tuigans
Midnight, Adon and Kelemvor for recovering the Tablets of Fate(Cyrics not included because he persued the Tablets of Fate for selfish reasons)
Hmm.. IRRC the tablets were in fact quite useless no ? |
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XNedra
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Feb 2007 : 18:50:15
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| Cattiebrie is a quiet heroine but I think my fav overall would have to be Drizzt's dad. Only thing is I cannot remember his name (now I feel shame) . He died to protect his son (sort of). Something rarely heard of in the underdark[/font=Lucida Console] |
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill today because they pissed me off.
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Warrax
Learned Scribe
Canada
128 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 04:16:51
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It occurs to me that this discussion hasn't really described what "great" really is, what it implies.
A guard who stands his ground in the face of overwhelming odds may be a hero but he's not the greatest hero in all the Realms in my mind.
Greatness, at least in comparison to others, comes from magnitude and frequency of deed.
So the greatest heroes of the Realms, at least IMHO, are those who've been doing it the longest and who's actions have either prevented the most evil and/or caused the most good.
So that puts the Seven Sisters, Elminster and Khelben pretty high up on the list.
Obviously, people like Azoun still count because they had significant and lasting impact. But Azoun will fade away; he, like the dead heroes of empires long fallen, will be forgotten far sooner than beings like the most notable Chosen of Mystra, who've all been around for 500+ years (Khelben 900+ and Elminster like 1,200+ IIRC).
These guys haven't just done things confined to their empires. Alustrial has the Silver Marches organized in a way never before seen. She's got Silverymoon and the confederation and all of her immense influence in the Silver Marches.
Khelben cut a deal that rather significantly impacts the Western Heartlands, created the Moonstars, has been a ridiculously significant figure in Waterdeep for ages, and of course, was responsible for that high magic in the sequence of events ultimately costing him his life. This is a guy who's been making an impact on Faerun for so long that he can't possibly be left out of the discussion, far above and beyond any single-act heroes that can be called readily to mind or drawn from some obscure piece of Realmsian lore.
Storm Silverhand? The Bard of Shadowdale and her involvement with the Harpers?
The Simbul's a tougher call but she's constantly engaged in battle against the Red Wizards and other threats to Aglarond, so for sheer volume of what you might deem 'heroic' acts, she's there. The weight of her opinion meant much in letting Shandril walk her own path (a nod to her own youth), which was a sort of noble and heroic act as well.
And Elminster...
I think Elminster has to take the crown on this one.
He took the throne of Athalantar from the hands of the evil magelords dominating his childhood home, has involvement in the creation of Myth Drannor, acts as a foster parent for Laeral, Storm and Dove, his constant aid to Shadowdale in resisting maulagrym, Zhentarim and all manner of foes facing the little dale...
I can't think of anyone else with the resume Elminster has as far as doing things that are ultimately helpful to the Realms. |
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Delzounblood
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
578 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 21:23:24
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I've always thought the little guy was as much a hero as the sword swinging famous / infamous charater headlining the story!
My favs must be the dwarf Jill in Silvershadows by EC. Followed by Fret in RAS Exile or Sojourn I forget which!
Yes both are dwarves but so am I
Though for a non dwarf, my fav is Elaith another of EC's creations.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 22:55:17
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Originally posted by Delzounblood
I've always thought the little guy was as much a hero as the sword swinging famous / infamous charater headlining the story!
My favs must be the dwarf Jill in Silvershadows by EC. Followed by Fret in RAS Exile or Sojourn I forget which!
Yes both are dwarves but so am I
Though for a non dwarf, my fav is Elaith another of EC's creations.
Delz
Elaith was Ed's creation. He first saw print in FR1 Waterdeep and the North. Elaine "acquired" him from there, but she has since made him "her" character ("her" as in, she's the one who writes about him most and is most associated with him, though she didn't create him). Ed is, as I understand, quite happy with how Elaine has depicted the Serpent.
As another sidenote, Elaine confirmed, in response to a question of mine, that Jill was loosely inspired by the Johnny Cash tune "A Boy Named Sue". |
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Delzounblood
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
578 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2007 : 21:51:07
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Delzounblood
I've always thought the little guy was as much a hero as the sword swinging famous / infamous charater headlining the story!
My favs must be the dwarf Jill in Silvershadows by EC. Followed by Fret in RAS Exile or Sojourn I forget which!
Yes both are dwarves but so am I
Though for a non dwarf, my fav is Elaith another of EC's creations.
Delz
Elaith was Ed's creation. He first saw print in FR1 Waterdeep and the North. Elaine "acquired" him from there, but she has since made him "her" character ("her" as in, she's the one who writes about him most and is most associated with him, though she didn't create him). Ed is, as I understand, quite happy with how Elaine has depicted the Serpent.
As another sidenote, Elaine confirmed, in response to a question of mine, that Jill was loosely inspired by the Johnny Cash tune "A Boy Named Sue".
Oops most humble apologies to ED, and really Jonny Cash!!!!?
GO EC
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 03:34:35
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Originally posted by Warrax
The weight of her opinion meant much in letting Shandril walk her own path (a nod to her own youth), which was a sort of noble and heroic act as well.
My opinion was that it was really Elminster who showed wisdom and restraint in that scene (he convinced the Simbul that not letting Shandril go on her way would be an abuse of power). |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 03:35:36
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Originally posted by Delzounblood
I've always thought the little guy was as much a hero as the sword swinging famous / infamous charater headlining the story!
I think so too. I like "little guys", and of course any answer regarding the greatest hero is going to be subjective. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 15:41:00
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Greetings, here is a short question, "Who you think is the greatest hero/heroine on Faerun?"
My answer is well Drizzt Do' Urden. What's yours?
this is another example of drzzit fanaticism it certanly isn't a very fair statement. most of my characters could easily be more heroic, and most of them were |
The brave don't live forever,the cautious don't live at all |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 15:42:15
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| no offence intended to anyone. |
The brave don't live forever,the cautious don't live at all |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 17:31:57
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| It isn't necessarily fanaticism. It is easy, particularly if one has not read a large number of Realms novels, to assume that any one noteworthy character is likely the best member of his/her class in the entire setting, or at least numbers among the ranks of the best. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 06:05:16
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| Yes, thinking that Drizzt's the greatest hero in the Realms is a perfectly valid opinion (and that's all it was, an opinion). |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
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Posted - 09 Oct 2007 : 12:42:12
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Personally, the greatest heroes of the Realms are The Seven Sisters. They keep being put through the ringer, and keep coming back. Khelben comes in right behind them, and IMHO El comes in right afterwards. I think this is the only time that the Old Sage of Shadowdale comes in after the Blackstaff, but then El didn't sacrifice his life for a city. Of course... I don't know El might die in the next mega-adventure RSE that gets published. (I doubt it, I like El a whooooole lot!!!! He's fun to use to torture PCs, and I'd be really bummed if I couldn't have him do the whole Gandalf "I just pointed him in the right direction" routine.)
Of course, I think Ed of the Greenwood, Eric of Boyd, Lady Elaine of Cunningham, The Lady Lisa of the Men of Smed, and all the rest are heroes in my book. Without them, we couldn't even have this conversation. (I'm not kissing up, I'm being honest.) |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 17:15:24
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Greetings, here is a short question, "Who you think is the greatest hero/heroine on Faerun?"
My answer is well Drizzt Do' Urden. What's yours?
Ed Greenwood. beyond that, definatly Szass Tam.
In all seriousness, that is a hard question |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 17:17:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It isn't necessarily fanaticism. It is easy, particularly if one has not read a large number of Realms novels, to assume that any one noteworthy character is likely the best member of his/her class in the entire setting, or at least numbers among the ranks of the best.
see, I wouldn't have a problem if he explained why.... |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 15:10:17
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Mine are ...
Arilyn Moonblade & Danilo Thann. |
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