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Afetbinttuzani
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 Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 21:16:35
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I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on what the fate and function of the Moonblades might be in 4E Faerun.
Evermeet, as we knew it, is gone. What is left of it is on another plane and is run by a council, rather than Amlaruil or her kin. May Eladrin become blade-heirs, or are the Moonblades only relevent to the elf communities that inhabit Fearun on the prime material plane?
Please, no diatribes about4E. I'm looking for productive thoughts on how to imagine and manage the Moonblades in post-Spellplague FR.
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Brimstone
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Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 21:20:37
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-IIRC there could be a thread on the Wizbro Boards about this same topic. I would like to know also. 
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 22:17:23
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The blades have served their purpose. It doesn't matter what the status of Evermeet is -- the ruler was already determined. So in 4E, moonblades are just seriously magical swords that most people wouldn't be able to handle.
Not really knowing 4E, I'd leave eladrins out. The moonblades were intended for moon elves on the Prime Material Plane, so if that's not a person's heritage, then they don't have a chance. |
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 22:41:34
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The blades have served their purpose. It doesn't matter what the status of Evermeet is -- the ruler was already determined.
Could you elaborate on this? Are you referring to Zaor Moonflower? Since Myth Drannor has been retaken by the elves, and is being ruled by Coronal (Lady) Ilsevele Miritar, the question of rightful elven rulers on the material plane is still relevant. Thus, the Moonblades could still have a function. As I haven't read Baker's Forsaken House I don't know if the Moonblades played a role in determining rulership of the reestablished Myth Drannor. I understand, though, that Ilsevele is the daughter of the councilor to Queen Amlaruil who left Evermeet to lead the struggle against the Daemonfey. If that's not a reason to be excepted by a Moonblade, I'm not sure what is. Was a blade heir named for Zaor's Moonblade?
Were the Moonblades forged exclusively for determining the ruler of Evermeet? I'll have to go back and see what Elaine wrote in Evermeet |
Afet bint Tuzaní
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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 23:04:32
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I have to agree with Wooly. The purpose of the moonblades was to select a ruling family for Evermeet. That's it. And they've accomplished that. The Moonflowers were the ruling family of Evermeet.
With regard to the possible future of other moonblaes, Elaine says:-
"When Zaor was chosen as king, there were twenty-five living moonblades. That was quite some time ago, and I doubt there are more than eight or nine in active use. Its possible that a few others retain their magic, but have become so powerful that any attempt to claim them is virtually suidical. It seems likely that these too-powerful swords will go dormant in time. Each sword that retains its powers probably has a significant role to play in the history of the People.
It is impossible for an adventurer to find a living moonblade in a treasure trove and add it to his weapon collection. Anyone who is not of the direct family line will be slain when he attempts to draw the sword."
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Also, in September last year, Elaine was asked about what the possible future of the moonblades would be in 4e FR. At the time, she had no idea. Elaine later added:- "If I were called upon to speculate--and what the heck, let's go for it--I'd say that all the moonblades, active and dormant, disappeared along with Evermeet."
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 23:16:25
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| Interesting!! Thanks for the anecdotes from Elaine. |
Afet bint Tuzaní
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 00:53:06
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Could you elaborate on this? Are you referring to Zaor Moonflower? Since Myth Drannor has been retaken by the elves, and is being ruled by Coronal (Lady) Ilsevele Miritar, the question of rightful elven rulers on the material plane is still relevant.
As pointed out, the moonblades were really about choosing the ruler of Evermeet--there's no history of them having anything to do with choosing elven rulers of other lands. The famous blades involved with Myth Drannor aren't moonblades.
That being said, though, the function of the moonblades seems to have been shifted a bit in the lore, though--in the short story "The Bladesinger's Lesson" (in Realms of the Elves), it is revealed, thanks to a half-gold elf, that it's possible to wield a moonblade simply by being a "worthy" carrier--you don't even need to be related to the family connected with the blade. And in Blackstaff, some elves had their moonblades turned into "Hopeblades" in the story's climax, with no indiction (as I recall) of what their properties are. So at this point, I guess anything is possible.
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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 01:08:26
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Actually, Steven Schend gave us some brief thoughts on the "hopeblades" back in '06:-
"I'd love to answer Joe's question here, but there's such a thing as leaving a door open to walk through later...
I'll at least give you this:
All of the nine hopeblades are, like the moonblades before them, long hilted broadswords that can be wielded with one or two hands, depending on the size and strength of the wielder.
The hopeblades appear, feel, and sound like a diamond-hard crystal but ring like a crystal wine goblet when they hit things.
They may or may not have runes along the blade, and they may or may not have individual powers (NDA). They all do have the ability to pierce the veil that hides Rhymanthiin from normal eyes and allow someone into the hidden city of hope.
Beyond that, I'll not say due to NDAs and not wanting to get in the way of later development by myself or others.
Steven"
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Oh, and he also tells us that the hopeblades are not sentient.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 01:35:57
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Actually, Steven Schend gave us some brief thoughts on the "hopeblades" back in '06:-
Well, I meant within the novel. But thanks for the information. |
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Steven Schend
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 01:39:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
Actually, Steven Schend gave us some brief thoughts on the "hopeblades" back in '06:-
"I'd love to answer Joe's question here, but there's such a thing as leaving a door open to walk through later...
I'll at least give you this:
All of the nine hopeblades are, like the moonblades before them, long hilted broadswords that can be wielded with one or two hands, depending on the size and strength of the wielder.
The hopeblades appear, feel, and sound like a diamond-hard crystal but ring like a crystal wine goblet when they hit things.
They may or may not have runes along the blade, and they may or may not have individual powers (NDA). They all do have the ability to pierce the veil that hides Rhymanthiin from normal eyes and allow someone into the hidden city of hope.
Beyond that, I'll not say due to NDAs and not wanting to get in the way of later development by myself or others.
Steven"
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Oh, and he also tells us that the hopeblades are not sentient.
One last comment before I duck back under the NDA:
The touch of a hopeblade will not kill...but it's gonna hurt. A LOT. (And no, I'm not going to say why, how, or other but it's powerful enough to bypass regular immunities to damage.)
And the blade should return to its chosen wielder within a breath of being drawn by another (unless so bidden by said wielder).
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 02:15:38
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
That being said, though, the function of the moonblades seems to have been shifted a bit in the lore, though--in the short story "The Bladesinger's Lesson" (in Realms of the Elves), it is revealed, thanks to a half-gold elf, that it's possible to wield a moonblade simply by being a "worthy" carrier--you don't even need to be related to the family connected with the blade.
That bit of lore can be worked around, though.... That particular moonblade could have gone thru a peculiar set of circumstances, allowing it to be wielded by any worthy elf. Perhaps at some point in the blade's past, it's moon elven wielder died in combat, and a distant relative of mixed gold and moon blood, snatched up the sword. It liked him, so it adapted to being wielded by worthy gold elves. Or something. |
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scererar
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 03:26:14
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Well if Moonblades are still a factor of establishing rulership of Evermeet, now may be a good time (in 4E lore) for one to play that role.
page 132 FRCG
"Contact points and routes between Faerűn and Evermeet were severed during the Year of Blue Fire,and they have been slow to reknit in the years since. Queen Amlaruil is gone, and the throne stands empty; Evermeet is currently governed by its Royal Council. Some suspect that a Moonflower heir yet walks Faerűn, severed from his or her native land". |
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 05:59:12
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The famous blades involved with Myth Drannor aren't moonblades.
I'm afraid I'm ignorant on this. Could you expand a bit on these Myth Drannor blades? |
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 06:09:54
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Originally posted by scererar
Well if Moonblades are still a factor of establishing rulership of Evermeet, now may be a good time (in 4E lore) for one to play that role.
page 132 FRCG
"Contact points and routes between Faerűn and Evermeet were severed during the Year of Blue Fire,and they have been slow to reknit in the years since. Queen Amlaruil is gone, and the throne stands empty; Evermeet is currently governed by its Royal Council. Some suspect that a Moonflower heir yet walks Faerűn, severed from his or her native land".
If this is so, the Moonblades may not be as redundant as all that. They may still have a role to play.
The question of whether Zaor named a blade-heir for his Moonblade, "The King's Blade", before his death has still not been answered. Also what happened to "The King's Blade"? |
Afet bint Tuzaní
"As the good Archmage often admonishes me, I ought not to let my mind wander, as it's too small to go off by itself."
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Edited by - Afetbinttuzani on 26 Feb 2009 06:11:11 |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 08:01:51
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
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Originally posted by scererar
Well if Moonblades are still a factor of establishing rulership of Evermeet, now may be a good time (in 4E lore) for one to play that role.
page 132 FRCG
"Contact points and routes between Faerűn and Evermeet were severed during the Year of Blue Fire,and they have been slow to reknit in the years since. Queen Amlaruil is gone, and the throne stands empty; Evermeet is currently governed by its Royal Council. Some suspect that a Moonflower heir yet walks Faerűn, severed from his or her native land".
If this is so, the Moonblades may not be as redundant as all that. They may still have a role to play.
The question of whether Zaor named a blade-heir for his Moonblade, "The King's Blade", before his death has still not been answered. Also what happened to "The King's Blade"?
I don't think so. The ruling family was selected -- and that's what it was about: selecting a ruling family, not a single ruler.
Besides, there are plenty of Moonflower candidates for the throne. We have potential rulers with Lamruil, his unnamed nephew, and the lost kids of Amlaruil and Zaor: the twin that wasn't slain by the Elf-Eater in the Moonshaes; Hhora, a priestess of Hanali Celanil; and the female twin warriors, Lazziar and Genstarzah. We actually don't know where any of them are; other than Lamruil, all of them disappeared in various different ways. Elaine has said that Amlaruil knew the fates of her children and that some of the missing ones were alive and hidden away.
A couple of the kids have totally unrevealed fates -- the male mages Zandro and Finufaranell.
It's not unreasonable to assume that most of those missing ones are dead, but that's still six of them to look at. If as many as four are dead, that still leaves two, plus Lamruil, Elaith's son, and any kids Lamruil has had. Lamruil was a bit of a player when young, so he's likely got at least a couple of bastard children. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 12:21:43
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| I think one could still be used for a story arc in a campaign somehow...I wouldn't mind giving one to a PC...maybe Moonblade wielder as some sort of Epic Destiny (or Paragon Path)...........as a side note, they would make good weapons of legacy in 3E. |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 13:48:21
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
The famous blades involved with Myth Drannor aren't moonblades.
I'm afraid I'm ignorant on this. Could you expand a bit on these Myth Drannor blades?
-The Artblade, The Crownblade, and The Warblade. I think they are detailed in Lost Empires of Faerun. 
-Those are the swords you were asking about, right? 
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Alisttair
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 13:56:45
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
The famous blades involved with Myth Drannor aren't moonblades.
I'm afraid I'm ignorant on this. Could you expand a bit on these Myth Drannor blades?
-The Artblade, The Crownblade, and The Warblade. I think they are detailed in Lost Empires of Faerun.
-Those are the swords you were asking about, right?
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As well as the Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves IIRC, or maybe just mentioned in there, as well as in Fall of Myth Drannor.
Didn't one of them also appear in a novel or short story somewhere? Can't remember for the life of me. |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 14:01:03
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-The Warblade is found in the Shadowdale adventure. IIRC the Crownblade is in the possession of the New Coronal of Myth Drannor at the end of the Last Mythal Trilogy.
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 16:17:45
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-The Warblade is found ... <snip>
... by a certain resident half-elf ranger, thank you.
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 18:17:25
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-The Warblade is found ... <snip>
... by a certain resident half-elf ranger, thank you.
(desperately trying to get this canonized)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 01:17:03
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That bit of lore can be worked around, though.... That particular moonblade could have gone thru a peculiar set of circumstances, allowing it to be wielded by any worthy elf. Perhaps at some point in the blade's past, it's moon elven wielder died in combat, and a distant relative of mixed gold and moon blood, snatched up the sword. It liked him, so it adapted to being wielded by worthy gold elves. Or something.
Well, I didn't say I was against the idea of moonblades being less exclusive in that way, I just mentioned that as an example of how the moonblade lore has changed over time.
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
I'm afraid I'm ignorant on this. Could you expand a bit on these Myth Drannor blades?
Not from off the top of my head, sorry. However, in addition to the 2E sources mentioned above, there are indeed 3E updates on the swords in Lost Empires of Faerun, and Dagniron's Elves of Faerun project should have some good information too. Hope that helps. |
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Penknight
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-The Warblade is found in the Shadowdale adventure. IIRC the Crownblade is in the possession of the New Coronal of Myth Drannor at the end of the Last Mythal Trilogy.
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Could someone please tell me the name of this adventure? I don't think I have it. Thanks. |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
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kysus
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| Last i heard arilyn moonblade was in possession of the moonflower blade unless something has happened to her that im unaware of, which is possible since i havnt been keeping up with much lately so do forgive me. But if she is still in control of that blade and is alive that would make her the next in succession for the throne to evermeet. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 14:06:30
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Originally posted by kysus
Last i heard arilyn moonblade was in possession of the moonflower blade unless something has happened to her that im unaware of, which is possible since i havnt been keeping up with much lately so do forgive me. But if she is still in control of that blade and is alive that would make her the next in succession for the throne to evermeet.
No, the moonblades weren't to select the individual, but to select the family -- and this was done by who had the most moonblades. There are several Moonflower moonblades. And Arilyn has aunts and uncles who stand before her in terms of succession. |
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 16:08:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by kysus
Last i heard arilyn moonblade was in possession of the moonflower blade unless something has happened to her that im unaware of, which is possible since i havnt been keeping up with much lately so do forgive me. But if she is still in control of that blade and is alive that would make her the next in succession for the throne to evermeet.
No, the moonblades weren't to select the individual, but to select the family -- and this was done by who had the most moonblades. There are several Moonflower moonblades. And Arilyn has aunts and uncles who stand before her in terms of succession.
In any case, it seems doubtful that a half-elf would ever be accepted as ruler of Evermeet. I suspect there would be bloodshed if it were attempted. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 : 02:52:53
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts on what the fate and function of the Moonblades might be in 4E Faerun.
Evermeet, as we knew it, is gone. What is left of it is on another plane and is run by a council, rather than Amlaruil or her kin. May Eladrin become blade-heirs, or are the Moonblades only relevent to the elf communities that inhabit Fearun on the prime material plane?
Please, no diatribes about4E. I'm looking for productive thoughts on how to imagine and manage the Moonblades in post-Spellplague FR.
I feel that moonblades should and can still play a part in Faerun's history seeing as there is no one standing on Evermeet's throne.
That being said, moonblades should still function in the hands of any "worthy" eladrin (moon, sun, or star elf), elf, or half-elf wielder. As to what their abilities do.....well I'd consult the DMG under the Artifacts section and then make the weapon's abilities as you go. You could use the Magic of Faerun (3.0 supplement) as a basis for certain moonblade abilities as well as certain powerful weapons listed in the Adventurer's Vault and PHB. |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 : 03:43:42
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I've always thought that the moonblades were 'evolving' swords, not only in the way that the novels portray them (i.e. gaining powers with each wielder) but also evolving in relation to their purpose. That is, once they fulfilled their first purpose (to establish the ruling line of Evermeet) then they began to change to fulfil another purpose, or perhaps each sword then evolved its own specific purpose(s) (perhaps related to the family that wielded it or the desires of its 'greatest' wielder or as a consequence of its environment etc. etc.). That way, moonblades can now be even more individualised but more importantly can lose the "pick me up and die" situation that was the case before. Just my 2 cp.
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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 : 05:44:13
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| My thought is that they would be limited to eladrin... sun elves, star elves, and moon elves in the Realms are treated as eladrin in 4E, IIRC, and in 3E and earlier they were given to moon elves only. Of course, that means that in 4E, suddenly sun elves can wield moonblades... I wonder how the moon elves feel about that? Or, maybe, with the change in magic, all elves and eladrin can wield them, as Diffan suggests. From what I know about the 4E magic item system, it should be easier to build moonblades as depicted in the earlier lore (with "evolving" powers, as mentioned by George). Beyond that, I'll let someone better acquainted with 4E magic take it from here. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Moonblades in 4E
