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Caladan Brood
Senior Scribe
Norway
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 Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 20:39:59
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"George R. R. Martin, because I hear that there is a lot of sexual content in his novels."
Why is this a problem? I am asking out of curiosity. I don't know what you expect when you think "a lot", but you ARE missing out on probably the best novels ever, regardless of genre (well, the three first books anyway - 'A Game of Thrones', 'A Clash of Kings', and 'A Storm of Swords'). And the titles are more suggestive of what there is a lot of - political games, royal clashes, and swordly storms :) On the other hand, not having read them allows you to avoid the torture that is waiting for YEARS for the next installment, so maybe it's for the best. |
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Entromancer
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 21:30:01
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Originally posted by Kno
fantasy novels that have werewolves, there is no such thing
Revenge of the Rose by Michael Moorcock. The Talisman by Stephen King and Peter Straub. Legacy of Wolves by Marsheila Rockwell.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31716 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2013 : 01:31:33
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Originally posted by Entromancer
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Originally posted by Kno
fantasy novels that have werewolves, there is no such thing
Revenge of the Rose by Michael Moorcock. The Talisman by Stephen King and Peter Straub. Legacy of Wolves by Marsheila Rockwell.
Legacy of Wolves is a fascinating read. Rockwell needs to write for the Realms. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2013 : 01:41:47
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Originally posted by Caladan Brood
"George R. R. Martin, because I hear that there is a lot of sexual content in his novels."
Why is this a problem? I am asking out of curiosity. I don't know what you expect when you think "a lot", but you ARE missing out on probably the best novels ever, regardless of genre (well, the three first books anyway - 'A Game of Thrones', 'A Clash of Kings', and 'A Storm of Swords'). And the titles are more suggestive of what there is a lot of - political games, royal clashes, and swordly storms :) On the other hand, not having read them allows you to avoid the torture that is waiting for YEARS for the next installment, so maybe it's for the best.
I can understand not wanting to read the series yet because it's not finished...and probably won't be for 10 more years; but to not read it because it has sex in it seems strange to me. This is one of the best fantasy series ever written and any fan of fantasy should at least give the first book a shot. |
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LastStand
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Mar 2013 : 07:04:01
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Entromancer
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Originally posted by Kno
fantasy novels that have werewolves, there is no such thing
Revenge of the Rose by Michael Moorcock. The Talisman by Stephen King and Peter Straub. Legacy of Wolves by Marsheila Rockwell.
Legacy of Wolves is a fascinating read. Rockwell needs to write for the Realms.
I second that. I found Legacy of Wolves entertaining, and it portrayed the setting easily enough to someone who's not familiar with Eberron. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2013 : 14:51:31
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Originally posted by Caladan Brood
"George R. R. Martin, because I hear that there is a lot of sexual content in his novels."
Why is this a problem? I am asking out of curiosity. I don't know what you expect when you think "a lot", but you ARE missing out on probably the best novels ever, regardless of genre (well, the three first books anyway - 'A Game of Thrones', 'A Clash of Kings', and 'A Storm of Swords'). And the titles are more suggestive of what there is a lot of - political games, royal clashes, and swordly storms :) On the other hand, not having read them allows you to avoid the torture that is waiting for YEARS for the next installment, so maybe it's for the best.
I am a bit old-fashioned, and totally okay with myself in that manner. I loved the Matrix Reloaded except for the long sex scene interspersed with relevant plot (Agent Smith "possessing" a human in the Matrix). Anyways, I do not mind "fade-to-black/morning after" scenes, but I find graphic detail (either on screen or on pages) unsettling. Pretty much, I like my entertainment rated PG-13 for violence and not sexual content. You may agree or disagree with that, but that is how I am. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2013 : 15:10:28
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Originally posted by Ayrik
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Erik Scott de Bie
@Ayrik: While I understand the assessment of GRRM, I'm not sure I agree. I'm not claiming all of his work is necessarily original/ground-breaking, but rather that that's ok. It is a simple fact of all writing that good writers borrow, great writers steal. And I consider it a gold start for Martin that he experiments, pushes boundaries, and brings more things to the genre rather than relying on rote tropes.
Although I do agree with you, Erik - and incidentally also commend your ambivalent/supportive professionalism - I wonder if you would remain so sanguine in response to a well-known author so closely duplicating your own written works and styles.
We're all pretty much copying Shakespeare, and I don't see him complaining. 
But seriously, unless said author explicitly breaks copyright law (which is another matter altogether), it's rather difficult to prove it's a copy job and not just a coincidence. Also, I'd love to inspire a powerful fantasy writer, and if someone like G.R.R.M. wrote a book like one of mine and it got more people to read mine, that seems kind of a win-win.
So yes, it appears I remain sanguine.
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 21 Mar 2013 : 15:49:05
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| Sometimes it does seem rather clear that one writer is borrowing liberally from another specific writer. But I think we should also recognize that as creators create, they contribute to a pool of ideas, images, and tropes that ultimately become fair game for others to use. Nobody currently writing Forgotten Realms fiction came up with the notions of mock-medieval worlds where multiple sentient races exist, wizards who cast powerful magic in the midst of battle, enchanted weapons, etc. But I don't think readers would want us writers to exclude tthose elements on the grounds that we didn't come up with the essential concepts. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36793 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2013 : 22:13:51
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
We're all pretty much copying Shakespeare, and I don't see him complaining.
And Shakespeare (or Bacon) copied -- sometimes to the point of just filing off the serial numbers -- Greco-Roman mythology. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Mar 2013 : 15:01:49
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Oh, how could I forget Christie Golden. I still haven't gotten over with what she did to Arthas. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2013 : 22:51:53
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Originally posted by Dennis
Oh, how could I forget Christie Golden. I still haven't gotten over with what she did to Arthas.
Who? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2013 : 04:50:59
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Originally posted by Entreri3478
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Originally posted by Dennis
Oh, how could I forget Christie Golden. I still haven't gotten over with what she did to Arthas.
Who?
Just click here. |
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LastStand
Learned Scribe
130 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2013 : 06:15:10
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Entreri3478
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Originally posted by Dennis
Oh, how could I forget Christie Golden. I still haven't gotten over with what she did to Arthas.
Who?
Just click here.
Maybe he has scraped the existence of that novel from his memory. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Mar 2013 : 06:18:40
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I tried to, actually. But it's easier to forget those that you're indifferent to than those you hate. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2013 : 13:36:23
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Entreri3478
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Originally posted by Dennis
Oh, how could I forget Christie Golden. I still haven't gotten over with what she did to Arthas.
Who?
Just click here.
Ahh. I've never read a Warcraft novel and don't plan on it. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2013 : 13:42:38
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Why? Some are actually good. You can start with anything by Richard A. Knaak.
Christie Golden continues to write for the setting. There's even one scheduled for release this year. So apparently, many people still read and love her. But I don't care. I'm not giving her a “second chance.” |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2013 : 15:54:55
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| Books based on games don't appeal to me. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Mar 2013 : 16:07:31
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But games based on books do?
Really, it's all a matter of how an author presents the story. And Knaak has a “knack” of making the reader forget it's a game. Besides, an author usually adds some personal touches that cannot be found in the games. |
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Yoss
Learned Scribe
USA
259 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 10:26:15
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| The lore parts of the manuals from the old non-wow games are hilarious. Old school art, and really simplistic stuff. Tried to read a Warcraft novel once but couldn't get into it, I didn't care one bit about the story when I played wow, and it seemed to translate to me not caring about anything more fleshed out in novel form. |
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Avix
Acolyte
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Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 13:56:35
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I don't think that I'll ever read any of Piers Anthony's Xanth books, although I've enjoyed his Incantations of Immortality series.
Xanth is just too slow going for me (I've tried to read the books and listen to audiobooks and it just failed to pique my interest) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36793 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 19:03:22
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Originally posted by Avix
I don't think that I'll ever read any of Piers Anthony's Xanth books, although I've enjoyed his Incantations of Immortality series.
I read a couple of the Xanth books in my teens, and they didn't really grab me.
I read On A Pale Horse, and though I enjoyed it, I found it somewhat preachy, and that really bugs me. I tried reading Bearing An Hourglass, but simply could not get into it.
I've not tried anything else by him. |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
894 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 19:03:44
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I'm surprised no one mentionned the Twilight Saga
The target reader might not be the same, but it clearly IS a fantasy novel. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36793 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 20:44:14
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Originally posted by Kilvan
I'm surprised no one mentionned the Twilight Saga
The target reader might not be the same, but it clearly IS a fantasy novel.
I know there is at least one scribe here that's read those books... I won't touch them, though, nor watch the movies.
I'm not a fan of vampires, particularly the kind that are popular now. I liked Dracula, by Bram Stoker, and I think Jim Butcher has done interesting things with vampires in the Dresden Files. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2013 : 22:24:00
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| Lol, I will never read a single Twilight book. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31716 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2013 : 02:41:11
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Originally posted by Kilvan
I'm surprised no one mentionned the Twilight Saga
The target reader might not be the same, but it clearly IS a fantasy novel.
I like to think that, with the hype of the films set to one side [preferably, in a alternate reality], I probably would've tackled these books eventually. Now, in the post-Twilight films-era, not so much.
And, thankfully, the Lady K never really cared for the books herself, so I've never had any recommendations from her that I need to read them, nor do I have to endure having the film adaptations sitting in our DVD library. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36793 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2013 : 03:22:13
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Kilvan
I'm surprised no one mentionned the Twilight Saga
The target reader might not be the same, but it clearly IS a fantasy novel.
I like to think that, with the hype of the films set to one side [preferably, in a alternate reality], I probably would've tackled these books eventually. Now, in the post-Twilight films-era, not so much.
And, thankfully, the Lady K never really cared for the books herself, so I've never had any recommendations from her that I need to read them, nor do I have to endure having the film adaptations sitting in our DVD library.
I know that pain. There's a movie about a time-traveling mailbox in our DVD library. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 26 Mar 2013 : 03:41:20
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Kilvan
I'm surprised no one mentionned the Twilight Saga
The target reader might not be the same, but it clearly IS a fantasy novel.
I like to think that, with the hype of the films set to one side [preferably, in a alternate reality], I probably would've tackled these books eventually. Now, in the post-Twilight films-era, not so much.
And, thankfully, the Lady K never really cared for the books herself, so I've never had any recommendations from her that I need to read them, nor do I have to endure having the film adaptations sitting in our DVD library.
I know that pain. There's a movie about a time-traveling mailbox in our DVD library.
I only allowed that one a place in our library so that I could then have the opportunity to critically point out all the problems with the theory of time-travel that's used as a plot device in the film. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36793 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2013 : 04:01:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Kilvan
I'm surprised no one mentionned the Twilight Saga
The target reader might not be the same, but it clearly IS a fantasy novel.
I like to think that, with the hype of the films set to one side [preferably, in a alternate reality], I probably would've tackled these books eventually. Now, in the post-Twilight films-era, not so much.
And, thankfully, the Lady K never really cared for the books herself, so I've never had any recommendations from her that I need to read them, nor do I have to endure having the film adaptations sitting in our DVD library.
I know that pain. There's a movie about a time-traveling mailbox in our DVD library.
I only allowed that one a place in our library so that I could then have the opportunity to critically point out all the problems with the theory of time-travel that's used as a plot device in the film.
I didn't care about the theory; when it comes to time-travel, I'm more interested in the concept, anyway. What bugged me was that they were so accepting of it, acting like it was no big deal.
Of course, now whenever time-travel comes even close to being mentioned, I bring up the time-traveling mailbox, so I can take amusement at my wife's rather vehement responses in defense of it.  |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2013 : 13:54:34
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Originally posted by Kilvan
I'm surprised no one mentionned the Twilight Saga
The target reader might not be the same, but it clearly IS a fantasy novel.
I've read all the four books and loved them. The media really made the series look like it's nothing more than a mushy love triangle between a hundred-year-old sparkly vampire, an innocent teenage girl, and a smexy wolf. No, there's more to it than that. There's the other members of the Cullens (Jasper, Alice, Emmet, Rosalie) whose dark pasts are quite interesting, and the members of the Volturi (Aro, Caius, Marcus, Jane, Felix, Alec, Chelsea, Demetri) whose individual backgrounds deserve their own books each. The way Meyer delves deep into the supporting characters and villains would sometimes make you wish they were the main protagonists instead. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3566 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2013 : 14:49:15
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Originally posted by Entromancer
A Song of Ice and Fire. I attempted GOT back in 05, and once again in 11, and a third time in '12. I just couldn't finish it.
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DOnt worry, GRR can't finsh them either
I dont think i'll read the last three until they are all published. |
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