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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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 Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 00:43:30
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Knight Errand, Mace Hammerhand, Wooly: I'm with you all friends.
You guys want to start a new setting called, "The Remembered Realms?"
 
Dear Lady Hooded, can you ask Ed if he would be interested in such a project? |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 00:45:34
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| Oh! maybe "Forgotten Realms Classic" or "Forgotten Realms: Golden Age" or something like that? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 01:38:52
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I'm going to stick around and wait for 5th edition to undo the changes of 4E (and maybe even 3E, too).  |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 01:49:05
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Feel free PDK.
You know, I have been wondering if it'd be legal and doable to actually pay Ed and others to make some more Realms articles for this era. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 02:41:38
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Ed cannot legally accept money to produce Realmslore for anyone other then WotC/Hasbro.
He is free to create whatever lore he wants for money, as long as he doesn't say it's "in the Realms".
I don't think the old setting is coming back - I think this is our 'last hurrah'. If 4e tanks, I doubt there'll be a 5e. 
And besides, wouldn't it be even worse if 5e came out and they said "it was all just a bad dream". That would be so ultiimate-cheese to me. |
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
USA
326 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 03:20:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And perhaps we need to take a moment to relax before continuing this discussion... It's trending towards something bad, and I don't want to see another thread locked. I especially don't want to see another thread locked because pro-4E FR people and anti-4E FR people aren't being civil and respectful.
With all due respect Wooly, I don't think it's anti vs. pro that is the main issue here. Personally, I'm tired of having my opinions and thoughts be rudely and insultingly put down. Granted, I don't post much, but when someone says something that insults how I feel, and is rude and condesending while doing so, it ticks me off.
When we move to Candlekeep V2, can we please, please, please have an ignore poster feature?
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My appologies,
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 06:50:14
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Originally posted by Markustay
Ed cannot legally accept money to produce Realmslore for anyone other then WotC/Hasbro.
He is free to create whatever lore he wants for money, as long as he doesn't say it's "in the Realms".
I don't think the old setting is coming back - I think this is our 'last hurrah'. If 4e tanks, I doubt there'll be a 5e.
And besides, wouldn't it be even worse if 5e came out and they said "it was all just a bad dream". That would be so ultiimate-cheese to me.
Agreed. There isn't a good way of turning it all back, now. The only option is a complete reboot.
Which would make even more books unusable, cost fans more money, and turn aside any "new" fans the "new" setting attracts. WotC really screwed the pooch on this one. |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 07:14:08
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
Good points, Rinonalyrna.
It just seems, and I can't get away from this feeling, that when many of us posted to the "What I want in the Realms" thread that KnighterrantJR started, and WotC said that they were going to keep an eye on it, it really meant they were reading the thread called "why I don't play the Realms". It seems most changes were to appease that crowd, and not the current players.
I don't remember that thread, but I've no reason to doubt what you guys are saying about it, either. I can understand why you would feel betrayed (maybe I posted there too, I just don't remember).
Found this through some odd necromancy here. The archived thread on the WotC boards, from 2006... well into the plans for the Spellplague as we found out.
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 08:58:49
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 13:33:17
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There is no last hurrah. The 4E Realms bares a passing resemblance to the actual Realms, but no more. Besides, it's only going to be two sourcebooks. There are more sourcebooks out for the Golarion setting already.
The Last Hurrah for the Realms was A Grand History of the Realms, which was quite a nice product. Shame about the lack of original art though. |
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 15:35:47
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I seriously doubt if there will be a 5e FR, I'm not sure about a 5e D&D. I think that WotC is squeezing the last drops of revenue out of the brand before dropping it.
FR this year, Eberron next, a few more settings in the subsequent years and then goodnight D&D. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 17:12:26
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Originally posted by arry
I seriously doubt if there will be a 5e FR, I'm not sure about a 5e D&D. I think that WotC is squeezing the last drops of revenue out of the brand before dropping it.
FR this year, Eberron next, a few more settings in the subsequent years and then goodnight D&D.
Explain to me why WotC would drop its most iconic brand and biggest moneymaker? Settings, yes, but D&D in general? No. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 17:24:09
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Originally posted by Markustay
My only other recourse would have to remain bitter, ignore the new material, and become when of those grognards that just wants to ruin everyone else's fun because "I know better".
I don't agree that that's the "only other option". One can ignore the new material without being bitter about it and trying to ruin other people's fun. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 17:36:09
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Explain to me why WotC would drop its most iconic brand and biggest moneymaker? Settings, yes, but D&D in general? No.
I also don't think D&D itself is on it's way out. It's possible of course, but I haven't seen any reason so far to think it's likely. Frankly, I see no reason to think the 4E system is "failing", either. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 17:39:31
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Sorry, the link does not seem to work. All I get is a white page.
works for me. dunno....
it could be you still need to be logged on to the forums there, even if it is archived. dunno. |
"Behold the work of the old... let your heritage not be lost but bequeath it as a memory, treasure and blessing... Gather the lost and the hidden and preserve it for thy children."
"not nale. not-nale. thog help nail not-nale, not nale. and thog knot not-nale while nale nail not-nale. nale, not not-nale, now nail not-nale by leaving not-nale, not nale, in jail." OotS #367 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 17:41:52
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"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 18:31:11
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I also don't think D&D itself is on it's way out.
I don't think it's on its way out, but it will become some sort of blend of current (4e) D&D, the old Dungeon game, and plastic miniatures (a'la Hasbro's Heroscape line). Battles will become minatures and plastic-coated stat-cards (dry-erasable to track 'hits'), and dungeons will become dungeon-tile modules, also with decks of stat-cards for encounters and more plastic minis to add to your mix (similar in style to Dungeon).
Highly-replayable, because each time it could pay-out different. Not neccessarily a bad thing (I'd play it), but definately not an RPG as-we-know-it.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Markustay
My only other recourse would have to remain bitter, ignore the new material, and become when of those grognards that just wants to ruin everyone else's fun because "I know better".
I don't agree that that's the "only other option". One can ignore the new material without being bitter about it and trying to ruin other people's fun.
For some, no, but for me it is. I can't just ignore it (I'm VERY anal), so I either use it, or hate it - no middle-ground in my brain, unfortunately.
I'm going to try it, and play 4e in the 4e Realms, but I am going to keep my options open by continuing a second group with 3e rules and another setting. If I decide I don't like either the setting or rules in a few months, it will be no big deal. I'll either grow to like it, or just decide to abandon the Realms forever if it can't hold my interest.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 18:41:45
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Originally posted by Markustay
I'm going to try it, and play 4e in the 4e Realms, but I am going to keep my options open by continuing a second group with 3e rules and another setting. If I decide I don't like either the setting or rules in a few months, it will be no big deal. I'll either grow to like it, or just decide to abandon the Realms forever if it can't hold my interest.
Well, that's a fair way to decide. Good luck with that. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 07:16:04
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You can’t say I don’t know how to fuel a conversation.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
You know, you say you don't want to be browbeaten for your opinions, maybe you should respect other people's opinions in return.
If someone wants to make a sweeping generalization about the new Realms and I offer up a fact or two showing that they are over generalizing things, that’s not being disrespectful of their opinion.
The same goes for pointing out that there’s more than one way to view what’s going on in the Realms.
In other words, yes, there is actually good reason to look forward to what’s coming down the pipe from WotC.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I hope it's clear by now that the problem is not what you're saying, it's how you're saying it. The way you wrote your first post made it seem like you were calling into question the "loyalty" some of the posters here have for the setting. At least, that's how I read it, and it looks like other people read it that way too.
You’re right. In the post you are referring to I was doing exactly that.
The one thing I wasn’t doing was telling people what to think or how to think. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 12:58:44
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Everyone will have to make an individual choice re their future involvement in the 4E Realms.
I confess that I have spent that last 6 or so months really questioning whether my personal involvement in the Realms will continue after the release of the various FR books to come this year. When I say "personal involvement" I mean devoting precious leisure time to writing, reading and thinking Realms, not any high-faluting grand plan to write articles or products etc (although that would be nice too ....  ).
But then of course, as often happens, life has a habit of giving you that quick, sharp moment of clarity. Mine came today. Most of you won't know that it was Ed's birthday yesterday. I sent him a birthday e-mail full of good wishes and other 'stuff' and his response made me realise one really important thing - I love the Realms for many, many reasons and despite what might be 'done' to them, there'll always be something to get me excited, pique my curiousity and make me feverishly dig through 20+ years of FR products.
From a personal point of view, I'm loyal to the Realms because it's always been loyal to me. It's given my imagination and writing ability (such as it is) an outlet for 25 years and garnered me farflung friends who have enriched my life.
There will be aspects of he 4E Realms which will make me go  or  or even  but I take solace in the fact that every edition of the Realms has made me do that at some stage or another!. I'll like some of it and live with the rest. Given everything that the Realms has done for me and me for it, I think that's about as fair a deal as I could ask for. Bring it on.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 15:17:13
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
If someone wants to make a sweeping generalization about the new Realms and I offer up a fact or two showing that they are over generalizing things, that’s not being disrespectful of their opinion.
You could have said everything you did without turning the conversation into a matter of respecting Ed or being a "true fan of the setting". When you say stuff like that, you come off as just trying to ruffle people's feathers. If you want people to address your points instead of just getting POed at you, that's not a good strategy.
That's really all I have to say on the matter. I'm done with this tangent. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 15:39:04
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I know that this is a continuance of the derailing of this thread, but I hope the mods will let it pass as this is as good a place as any.
I am a Realmsfan because I am a AD&D fan, because the old TSR products sets my mind racing and because I like Ed's details. What interests me little is canon. I would never DM the canon Realms even as they became with 3ed. None of those changes sat right with me. Even before that I changed numerous things and discarded lore I found out about at a later date. But I am still a Realmsfan.
I don't like what I hear concerning 4ed, neither the system nor the Realms and there is no way I will force myself to try something that don't sound the least bit interesting, nor will I categorical preach that I will boycott the same no matter what. Both of these has been proclaimed as my “duty” as a Realms fan at one time or another and both opinions strike me as offensive. My duty is to my own enjoyment of gaming and the setting. I will buy a 4ed product that sounds interesting if it shows up. What I have heard until now doesn't.
As for being negative beforehand. There are only a couple of 3ed products I actual like and only one (Serpent Kingdoms) that I have among my top list. After almost ten years I have a pretty good idea that I am not interested in Wizards style and that the books are not written for me. 4ed becomes like a new Stones Record; why should I buy it when the last passable album they made (in my opinion) was Black and Blue in the mid 70's? I am still a Stones fan though.
I think it is great that people are exited by the new edition and good luck to them, but leave me out of it and let me have the right to be as negative, pessimistic and uncaring about the whole thing as I want to. Same with the other side. I don't exactly feel like my world is shattering here and I am not chocked by Wizards decisions, therefore I will not join any mass scream about this being a slap in the face of all Realms fan. To me the map changes of 3ed. Was already enough of a slap.
And still I am a Realmsfan. Even though I am starting to get long-winded here and will therefore stop.
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 15:50:27
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Originally posted by George Krashos
There will be aspects of he 4E Realms which will make me go or or even but I take solace in the fact that every edition of the Realms has made me do that at some stage or another!. I'll like some of it and live with the rest. Given everything that the Realms has done for me and me for it, I think that's about as fair a deal as I could ask for. Bring it on.
-- George Krashos
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 16:26:48
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To paraphrase what I've seen Ed and other designers say on multiple occasions - take the lore we give you, and make the Realms your own.
There are quite a few people I have talked to that the ToT, War of the Spider Queen, the cosmology change, and other events did not happen, because they did not fit into their Realms. Does that make them less of a fan? No, it doesn't. Just because we don't follow every single little, or big, detail that has been given to us, doesn't make us any less of a fan.
Some of us game at different time periods in the history of the Realms. A game set in 1320, for example, wouldn't need to know anything about the ToT, or Spider Queen. That doesn't make one less of a fan, just that their Realms is set at a different point than someone elses.
Personally, I don't read many of the novels. When I do it's for my own enjoyment of the book, but I don't incorporate those into my games. I may use the descriptions of areas and personalities if my players go to the same area, but I don't add the actual book plot to the game.
With that said, I will likely sit in my local Borders with a copy of the FRCG and do a quick read through of it. Chances are, from what I've seen of the previews, it will go back onto the shelf, but one never knows. *shrug*
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 18:31:57
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From what I understand Wooly, WotC's most profitable brand is Magic The Gathering, not D&D. D&D is, I think, relatively small potatoes as far as WotC is concerned. Hasbro bought WotC for the Pokemon licence they held at the time, not D&D.
The reason I think that WotC will drop D&D in a few years is because I think that in the next few years MMOs will improve by leaps and bounds attracting those who in previous years would have turned to FRPGs. I think that in a few years time the pen & paper RPG market will be much smaller than today. I don't think that this market will be able to generate the profit margins demanded by corporate entities like Hasbro.
That doesn't mean that I think pen & paper RPGs will disappear; there will be players into the foreseeable future. I think that smaller companies like, for example, Paizo will continue to produce more material; I see the market becoming more of a 'cottage industry'. IMO this would be a good thing. Smaller companies, requiring smaller revenue to continue, will be much more likely to listen to the fans, who will be the majority of the market, not the minority and be able to pay more attention to artistic values than large corporations.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 20:40:39
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Which is exactly why I said that Hasbro/WotC will be blending together D&D, Dungeon, and Heroscape into an RP-light game of 'monsters and encounters'. D&D will probably always exist, but it will change its form and focus over the next two editions.
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There will be aspects of he 4E Realms which will make me go or or even but I take solace in the fact that every edition of the Realms has made me do that at some stage or another!.
You just made me remember one of my favorite 'moments' from the Ask the Designers thread over at WotC -
RB was asked if there was anything in the new setting that made HIM take a step back and say WTF?! He answered that "he couldn't answer that, because it was a loaded question... I have to work with these people" (or something pretty damn close to that).
That was probably one of the most honest answers I've heard - he never said at any point that that 'WTF?' moment DIDN'T exist.
I think when half a dozen guys get together and start putting everything they've have always wanted to see in a setting into it, and then start compiling what each individual has come up with at the end for the FRCG, I think there might have been a number of 'dropped jaws' around the table.
Adding a little bit of 'craziness' in is what designers are supposed to do, but with everyone heading in their own direction it was probably a nightmare to get anything cohesive out of the material when it was all over.
And hence, we got Abeir.
We got the 'dream setting' of seveal different talented people, all mushed together, and I'd bet dollars to donuts (just what does that mean?) that none of them are 100% thrilled with what the others have done.
Which brings me to my second point...
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I'll like some of it and live with the rest. Given everything that the Realms has done for me and me for it, I think that's about as fair a deal as I could ask for. Bring it on.
-- George Krashos
Glad to see we are on the same page - I'm still keeping an eye on Golarion (with Ed, Elaine, and Steven on board, how can any of us resist?), but I've decided to just 'suck it up' and deal with the hand we were dealt.
Perhaps together, we here at the Keep (designers and fans alike) can make something worthwile out of this... setting. |
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 23:15:44
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Yes Markustay, thinking about it your conjecture is very possible.
Dream setting? Nightmare perhaps 
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chance87
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Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 00:36:49
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My thinking on this parallels yours to a degree.
I don't see WotC (or Hasbro) dropping D&D at any time in the forseeable future. I see a point at which the Brand becomes more valuable than the Product. The Brand may be used as a selling point in an MMO or CCG; the Product at this point will only be used to maintain the viability of the Brand. I can see D&D and it's associated properties (FR, Ravenloft, etc.) being licensed to a smaller company, like Paizo, with some sort of "quality" controls in place to ensure than standards are met, artistic direction isn't totally altered, etc, in order ensure that value can still be derived from the Brand. Not too dissimilar to the "here, hang on to this for me" license we saw from Dragon and Dungeon.
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From what I understand Wooly, WotC's most profitable brand is Magic The Gathering, not D&D. D&D is, I think, relatively small potatoes as far as WotC is concerned. Hasbro bought WotC for the Pokemon licence they held at the time, not D&D.
The reason I think that WotC will drop D&D in a few years is because I think that in the next few years MMOs will improve by leaps and bounds attracting those who in previous years would have turned to FRPGs. I think that in a few years time the pen & paper RPG market will be much smaller than today. I don't think that this market will be able to generate the profit margins demanded by corporate entities like Hasbro.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 01:56:24
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Everyone will have to make an individual choice re their future involvement in the 4E Realms.
I confess that I have spent that last 6 or so months really questioning whether my personal involvement in the Realms will continue after the release of the various FR books to come this year. When I say "personal involvement" I mean devoting precious leisure time to writing, reading and thinking Realms, not any high-faluting grand plan to write articles or products etc (although that would be nice too .... ).
But then of course, as often happens, life has a habit of giving you that quick, sharp moment of clarity. Mine came today. Most of you won't know that it was Ed's birthday yesterday. I sent him a birthday e-mail full of good wishes and other 'stuff' and his response made me realise one really important thing - I love the Realms for many, many reasons and despite what might be 'done' to them, there'll always be something to get me excited, pique my curiousity and make me feverishly dig through 20+ years of FR products.
From a personal point of view, I'm loyal to the Realms because it's always been loyal to me. It's given my imagination and writing ability (such as it is) an outlet for 25 years and garnered me farflung friends who have enriched my life.
There will be aspects of he 4E Realms which will make me go or or even but I take solace in the fact that every edition of the Realms has made me do that at some stage or another!. I'll like some of it and live with the rest. Given everything that the Realms has done for me and me for it, I think that's about as fair a deal as I could ask for. Bring it on.
-- George Krashos
Well... I don't have access to Ed's personal email, and therefore I am unable to benefit from his infinite wisdom in private, so I will keep my hard line view of things as they stand right now: in short, my Realms canon stop at 1374 DR, and anything after that is dead to me.
I will stay on these boards to discuss pre-Spellplague lore, but I just can't get excited with Abeir, Spellguard or that new floating Thayan plateau (and whatever else nonsense has been generated in the last year or so)
I'm sure Ed can be a convincing guy though, so in a way, I'm glad I can't talk to him privately, as it is keeping me honest with this whole thing... (i.e. if I was able to talk to Ed privately, his +68 diplomacy modifier would probably act like a suggestion spell on me and he'd make me buy into that new stuff... ) |
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FR 4E: Garen Speaks
