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Robspieree
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 Posted - 08 Feb 2008 : 22:11:15
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Sigh, the Lore has always made the Realms special. I've been going back over my 1/2 ed books and the collection of 3rd that my brother gave me and what has frustrated me the most is that role playing has taken such a back seat to hack and slash. Every game is a story, some are suited to monster hunting/looting but the Realms in particular rewards for going beyond that. I'm slowly creating my own lore to start a new campaign starting out of the old grey box and building strong story based campaigns as opposed to hack and slash. The video game approach does nothing for me.
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Feb 2008 : 22:41:52
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Originally posted by Robspieree
Sigh, the Lore has always made the Realms special. I've been going back over my 1/2 ed books and the collection of 3rd that my brother gave me and what has frustrated me the most is that role playing has taken such a back seat to hack and slash. Every game is a story, some are suited to monster hunting/looting but the Realms in particular rewards for going beyond that. I'm slowly creating my own lore to start a new campaign starting out of the old grey box and building strong story based campaigns as opposed to hack and slash. The video game approach does nothing for me.
Rob
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2008 : 00:01:11
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There are at least a dozen new sites that I'm aware of that will be promoting 'alternate timelines' for FR, starting at various years, and 4e FR hasn't even come out yet.
The fanbase is shattered, like in so many settings before it, and is probably irreparable. Don't game companies EVER learn? Don't hand us an apocalypse and a new age - it NEVER works!
The Spellplague might have worked, if it hadn't acted SO precise in what it took down - it seems like certain aspects of FR had the worst case of 'Plot Armor' I've ever seen -
"Let's see now... I created this, so the Spellplague just flooows around it... hmmmm... somebody who is considered way better then me created this... yeah it's gotta go... blown up... into little pieces..."
<rubs hands together as evil gleem enters eyes>
Why is it when we absolutely HATE something, they leave it in, and even build upon it, spinning entire super-module story-arcs around it, and yet they decide other things 'aren't good' so they just destroy them.
By who's opinion aren't those things any good? The guys that keep feeding us the shlock we HATE? Maybe someone thinks if he gets rid of enough really good stuff, his material will look better?
It just amazes me that no matter how much 98% of the fan community complains, they just keep walking down that road we don't want. Do they really think they can force us to like this stuff? It's absurd!
Sorry....
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chance87
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Posted - 09 Feb 2008 : 01:46:39
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Maybe the Spellplague changed some things and left others the way they were because it is actually some sort of manifestation of pure Chaos...oh, wait, didn't they already use that to wreck fix problems in another setting?
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I actually asked Rich about it on the Boards-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named, but he conveniently danced around the question. I guess their answer will be that the Spellplague is "a magical phenomenon nobody understands" (and hence its powers/effects do not need to be internally logical or consistent). Or maybe the Spellplague is just allergic to Epic/High Magic?  
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freyar
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Feb 2008 : 14:13:03
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"somebody who is considered way better then me created this... yeah it's gotta go... "
I really hate to think badly of the WotC designers because, well, I've never met them and don't have a real basis for it, but you're absolutely right that the way they've handled FR sounds completely like an ego issue.  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2008 : 16:26:58
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I apologize for that being a bit over the top, but weather it is true or not, it needed to be said.
I don't just post in forums, I talk to quite a few people in PMs and E-Mails, and MANY fans of the setting are getting the SAME feeling. I don't know if it was intentional, but it does appear that way, which is leaving a very bad taste in many people's mouths. 
I'm still holding out hope for 4e FR, but I have to say they are really botching the hype right now. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Feb 2008 : 00:44:52
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Sorry....
I was having a "Mace Hammerhand" moment...
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Feb 2008 : 22:02:20
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Originally posted by Markustay
"somebody who is considered way better then me created this... yeah it's gotta go... "
I really hate to think badly of the WotC designers because, well, I've never met them and don't have a real basis for it, but you're absolutely right that the way they've handled FR sounds completely like an ego issue.
To me it seems that the whole WoTC staff has an "ego issue" with anything related to 4E and DI. They seem very sensitive to critique and respond usually in a very condescending manner, even if the poster s themselves address their concerns in a constructive and reasonable way. What is even worse, they seem to mostly ignore their own boards and prefer to post on forums consisting mostly of "pro-4E" posters.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Feb 2008 : 22:06:06
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I don't know if it was intentional, but it does appear that way, which is leaving a very bad taste in many people's mouths.
Well, there are human beings in charge of changing a fictional setting, so it's perfectly fair to say that everything is intentional.
As to the why of the changes, I think we all have our own theories. However, we have to be careful about "mind-reading". Therefore, I'm satisfied with simply stating that I disagree that the upcoming 4E changes to the Realms fit the setting as I view it. |
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
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Posted - 11 Feb 2008 : 13:58:04
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Of course, according to the main FR Design Team "Rich Baker Must Be Stopped!" (At least according to the sign behind Chris' head in the Gamer Radio Zero article). I don't think the sign was there as an inside joke. I honestly think that they're getting to the point that they don't want to hear, or even care about what the average gamer wants when it comes to the Realms. Right now, they're working hard on creating their brand new setting, using an old name, hoping to catch new Players in the "MMORPG" style, and trap old players with "Look, this is Your Campaign Setting!".
It's sad. I can almost guarantee that I'll buy the new FRCG book when it comes out, more for my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, then I'll actually run it. I think when I finish the Auruoch game, when all is said and done, I'm going to close that book. Take a long deep sigh, and ask for everyone to make their characters for Jhamadath. I'm planning on going to GenCon this year, and helping a friend out with his booth. Of course, part of me is also thinking of buying some rotten fruit, as well, to have on hand when the FRCG book is "unveiled", and to pelt the Design Team liberally. Though, I doubt I'd actually do that. A picket sign's more likely, something like "Don't Forget the Realms!" and "Down with Wot-Zi!"
Nonetheless... I fear what other changes are in the works. At first I was curious. Then I was nervous. Now I'm terrified. It's like watching a horror movie. I felt more comfortable watching "Cloverfield" then watching what's happening with the Realms.
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admcewen
Acolyte
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Posted - 11 Feb 2008 : 15:36:55
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Markustay
I don't know if it was intentional, but it does appear that way, which is leaving a very bad taste in many people's mouths.
Well, there are human beings in charge of changing a fictional setting, so it's perfectly fair to say that everything is intentional.
As to the why of the changes, I think we all have our own theories. However, we have to be careful about "mind-reading". Therefore, I'm satisfied with simply stating that I disagree that the upcoming 4E changes to the Realms fit the setting as I view it.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Feb 2008 : 16:03:43
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Originally posted by ShepherdGunn
Of course, according to the main FR Design Team "Rich Baker Must Be Stopped!" (At least according to the sign behind Chris' head in the Gamer Radio Zero article). I don't think the sign was there as an inside joke.
That piece of paper was there as a inside joke due to some of the reactions on the WOTC FR boards. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Feb 2008 : 16:16:00
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Originally posted by ShepherdGunn
It's sad. I can almost guarantee that I'll buy the new FRCG book when it comes out, more for my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, then I'll actually run it.
Please, everyone, don't give in to compulsive consumer mentalities on this subject. Go to you local Borders (since they do not frown on this type of thing), buy a coffee or soda or something, pick up the FRCG and read it before buying it. And I can't express how important this is for both people who intend to buy it and people who don't. The sales figures on the FRCG will be likely the only statement that WotC will listen to about how we really feel about this new "version" of the Realms. And none of us should go into it lightly. Those of us who think we will hate it might like (or possibly even love) the spin that Ed and Brian and others have put on the "new" Realms. Those who think they will love it might actually hate it. Do not just buy the book and wait until you get home to find out whether you like or hate the 4e Realms. Please. |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Feb 2008 : 16:46:12
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by ShepherdGunn
It's sad. I can almost guarantee that I'll buy the new FRCG book when it comes out, more for my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, then I'll actually run it.
Please, everyone, don't give in to compulsive consumer mentalities on this subject. Go to you local Borders (since they do not frown on this type of thing), buy a coffee or soda or something, pick up the FRCG and read it before buying it. And I can't express how important this is for both people who intend to buy it and people who don't. The sales figures on the FRCG will be likely the only statement that WotC will listen to about how we really feel about this new "version" of the Realms. And none of us should go into it lightly. Those of us who think we will hate it might like (or possibly even love) the spin that Ed and Brian and others have put on the "new" Realms. Those who think they will love it might actually hate it. Do not just buy the book and wait until you get home to find out whether you like or hate the 4e Realms. Please.
For the compulsive buyers, keep your receipt. If the book is bad you can return it for store credit or refund. Read before you buy is the best advice. |
I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 01:47:30
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by ShepherdGunn
It's sad. I can almost guarantee that I'll buy the new FRCG book when it comes out, more for my Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, then I'll actually run it.
Please, everyone, don't give in to compulsive consumer mentalities on this subject. Go to you local Borders (since they do not frown on this type of thing), buy a coffee or soda or something, pick up the FRCG and read it before buying it. And I can't express how important this is for both people who intend to buy it and people who don't. The sales figures on the FRCG will be likely the only statement that WotC will listen to about how we really feel about this new "version" of the Realms. And none of us should go into it lightly. Those of us who think we will hate it might like (or possibly even love) the spin that Ed and Brian and others have put on the "new" Realms. Those who think they will love it might actually hate it. Do not just buy the book and wait until you get home to find out whether you like or hate the 4e Realms. Please.
of course, it could be shrink-wrapped to prevent this from happening.... |
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Yasraena Dawndancer
Acolyte
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 08:55:33
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I love a big beautiful hardcopy of any book. I get my Echoes of Heaven stuff free as a playtester on PDF, however, I bugged the company owner for a Hardcopy of the D20 Campaign Setting for my bookshelves. I will definitely be reviewing the new FRCS before allowing ShepardGunn to buy it. (For those that don't know, we're married.)
His OCD is trumped by me holding the checkbook. hehehe
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 12:51:04
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of course, it could be shrink-wrapped to prevent this from happening....
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Unless the product is age restricted, like the Book of Vile Darkness, or has an extra item in it, a computer disc with a full program not a demo, I don’t foresee the new FRCG being shrunk wrapped. They want people to pick it up, read the blurb on the back and hopefully thumb through the book. |
I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 12:58:33
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A person should get off their rump, go to the store, sit down at a table and read some of the book. Or stand in the aisle and thumb through the book.
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I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 14:37:02
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More than likely, we'll go to the FLGS, sit down with the store owner and sigh heavily as we shake our heads, place it back on the shelf, buy some more paints and some more minis for my 3.5 game...
I'm looking forward, though, to GenCon. It'll probably be the best place to REALLY see the reaction to the new FR. I mean, if the FR design team gets jumped while on stage, then I know I shouldn't buy the book. If they're cheered, and touted as heroes... then I know the Apocalypse is at hand, and I'll be sure to stay clear of any many-mouthed entities with deep seated desires to perform solos.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 16:01:25
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Feb 2008 : 22:12:06
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| Buying books second-hand is an option, I think. If I decide I *must* own the FRCG (because of, say, Ed Greenwood's content) I will buy the book second-hand. |
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Yasraena Dawndancer
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Posted - 13 Feb 2008 : 07:38:58
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Section A, rule 13 of the Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct:
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13. Discussions and links regarding illegal downloads and file sharing of copyrighted material, owned by either Wizards of the Coast or a third party company, is not permitted on these forums. It would also be appreciated for members to avoid promoting this activity via Private Message/Email to others.
With regards to that rule, I've done some editing of posts in this thread, removing all such references. Consider this a warning: talk of illegally downloading copyrighted material is not allowed and will not be tolerated.
I just would like to state, that every book I own on PDF, I also own in hardcopy. I do actually support and buy these products.
Now, given that, I work a fulltime job and go to night school. Going to a library and/or bookstore to preview a book is nearly impossible for me to do. The few hours I have on the weekend before gaming group are dedicated to laundry, dishes and general housecleaning. My religion prevents me from going on Sundays.
In the end, I will in some way (either by borrowing a friends copy or flipping throw it at GenCon) preview this book before buying it. That is very much unlike my usual mode of sending Shepard to the store to pick it up or running into Hastur on the way to gaming and just grap and swipe my card at the counter, then read through it on the way to gaming.
When FRCS 3rd Ed came out, we were in the car before it ever got opened. Same with all our FR books. This time, I'm really going to have to consider the $40 I'm going to shell out and any further investments. I'm seriously thinking of just sticking to Echoes of Heaven and maybe Castlemourn (if I can find it). |
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ShepherdGunn
Seeker
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Posted - 13 Feb 2008 : 09:37:49
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Sorry about that Wolly. I've been warned. No more talk of the "badness".
Here's the thing. I'm excited for 4E in general. Some of the things discussed are pretty interesting, and exciting. But, on the other hand, what's happening to the Realms appears to be a travesty in the making. It's hard for me to swallow. I love the Realms a lot. I've bought every book out there, but I'm concerned that what will come out in the future will make me feel like the Jedi Order books made me feel towards Star Wars. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2008 : 17:38:23
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
IMO Rich Baker is the only one (of those WoTC staff members who regularly post in their blogs or on the internet forums) who has always remained polite and "kept in touch" with the community on their own boards -- despite being verbally assaulted by many angry FR fans.
QFT
Despite the negativity - and sometimes outright rudeness - Rich has continued to field our questions to the best of his ability and keeping within his NDAs.
I personally have made more then my share of disparaging remarks, yet he still takes the time to answer my queries, which says a LOT about his character.
I will have to admit, he is much more of a Gentleman then I. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Feb 2008 : 23:22:59
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
IMO Rich Baker is the only one (of those WoTC staff members who regularly post in their blogs or on the internet forums) who has always remained polite and "kept in touch" with the community on their own boards -- despite being verbally assaulted by many angry FR fans.
QFT
Despite the negativity - and sometimes outright rudeness - Rich has continued to field our questions to the best of his ability and keeping within his NDAs.
I personally have made more then my share of disparaging remarks, yet he still takes the time to answer my queries, which says a LOT about his character.
I will have to admit, he is much more of a Gentleman then I.
Indeed, I'd like to chime in and agree that Rich is a real "sport", and polite in spite of impoliteness. One has to give him that much, even if they don't agree with the direction the 4E FR design team is taking. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Feb 2008 : 00:16:39
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
IMO Rich Baker is the only one (of those WoTC staff members who regularly post in their blogs or on the internet forums) who has always remained polite and "kept in touch" with the community on their own boards -- despite being verbally assaulted by many angry FR fans.
QFT
Despite the negativity - and sometimes outright rudeness - Rich has continued to field our questions to the best of his ability and keeping within his NDAs.
I personally have made more then my share of disparaging remarks, yet he still takes the time to answer my queries, which says a LOT about his character.
I will have to admit, he is much more of a Gentleman then I.
Indeed, I'd like to chime in and agree that Rich is a real "sport", and polite in spite of impoliteness. One has to give him that much, even if they don't agree with the direction the 4E FR design team is taking.
I have to chime in with my agreement on this too. (Though at times he does seem a bit smug to me about the changes being made, but that might just be my perception.) |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Feb 2008 : 23:46:23
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| If I buy the FRCG, I'll be buying all the copies they have so I can then burn them in front of the book store. |
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Alaundo
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 : 00:14:19
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Originally posted by SirUrza
If I buy the FRCG, I'll be buying all the copies they have so I can then burn them in front of the book store.
*Ahem*, maybe Big Al should give you more books to copy, so that you would forget about burning those poor, innocent books?  (I'm a librarian, so I don't like to see books destroyed for any reason -- not even the 4E Core Books). Don't hate the book -- hate the author.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Feb 2008 : 04:20:15
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Originally posted by SirUrza
If I buy the FRCG, I'll be buying all the copies they have so I can then burn them in front of the book store.
Hmm problems with this in many ways.
Buying books will support 4th FR, Hasbro nor WotC cares what you do with them after you purchase them.
Starting a fire in front of a book store likely would be considered a crime or even a collection of crimes, that might get you incererated and less time to play D&D.
The concept of burning any book, even of poor quality IMO goes against the stroage of knowledge good and bad of the human race. |
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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