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Yasraena Dawndancer
Acolyte
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 Posted - 18 Feb 2008 : 07:42:19
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Don't Burn, Boycott. Burning Books just makes you look crazy.
I am actually excited for 4th Edition....just not the new Forgotten Realms. I look at the fixes that are going into the rule system for 4th Edition and I really like them. I don't have a problem with converting FR to 4th Edition, I just have a problem with the world changes that make no sense, have no rhyme or reason and are completely unnecessary. The changes have not been thought out and have been done with the very attitude that makes gamers look like losers. (Wow, This would be so cool! *push up glasses* We can drain an entire ocean and blow up a continent and in three generations everything will be AWESOME! *pushes up glasses again*) |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2008 : 14:23:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Okay, so I just got done reading it...
Spellscarred... Are Dragonmarks really that nifty a concept that we need to have them imported into the Realms?
Halruaa detonated? The Sea of Fallen Stars drained away? Oh, no, this is not good. 
And the editing... I don't mind the odd typo, but this one is worse than normal.
"but even in some of the most fantastic exploits of fighters, rouges"
"If fact, the Realms "
I know editing isn't always easy, and sometimes typos slip by... But "rouges"? That's just sloppy.
But that's the way preists of Danier spell it! If the Diety of Writing approves, it can't be wtong!
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Feed the poor and stroke your ego, too: http://www.freerice.com/index.php.
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2008 : 15:09:49
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
I love how they keep adding fuel to my dislike of the "new" Realms. Everything I read makes it more and more unrecognizable as anything much resembling the "classic" Realms (everything pre-4e). I find myself hoping more and more that it will crash so that hopefully the rights will return to Ed and he can try and make something good out of it again.
Hence my vote for the emphatic "No. ... Never!" in "THE Definitive 4E Survey." I could spend many years of real time just playing out all of the stuff Bruce Cordell wrote before this System 4.$$$$$$ was even admitted to by Wizards; I have NO need for anything related to 4.$$$$$$$.
As for the article itself, it read more like autopsy report on a mangled corpse than a description of anything which mught even be vaguely called "Living Forgotten Realms." Rotting undead Frogotten Realms, maybe, but certainly not "Living."
As for 4.$$$$$$$$$ itself, I predicted that it would be coming down the pike the very first time I heard of System 3.$. My own game? Third edition, thank you very much, mostly based on AD&D material which I adapt for my own needs. I use a hex map, and creatures have facing and rear flanks. And the missile weapons still have ranges measured in tens of yeards, so archers get a chance to kill Thog before Thog run across entire battlefield in twelve seconds to Cleave, Power Cleave, Greater Improved Power Cleave, Super-Special Attack, Improved Super-Special Attack,, Greater Improved Super-Special Attack , Sunder, Improved Sunder, Greater Improved Sunder, and posibly even kill dozens of archers, whose superior range is why the English won ant Crecy and Agincourt, and why modern hunters and snipers still use bows and arrows. I knew that D&D was doomed when I wrote to Wizards several years ago and pointed out that an archer would almost certainly be killed by a melee fighter in any battle, and they very rudely told me that the idiotic ranges in the then-new PHB were not typos and that Wizards had no intent to revise them towards any approximation of Reality (which the AD&D ranges matched very closely).
As for this new X'endrick-Age of Mortals-Warhammer abomination to which Wizards is slouching towards Bethlehem to birth, I want nothing to do with it. ... Nothing. ... At. ... All. ... Which means that, much as I might have enjoyed the novels of Bruce Cordell and others in the past, I'm not going to buy anything they write about this monstrosity. There are plenty of Warhammer novels out there for me to buy used and cheap if I want to read about the effects of Chaos ... oops! ... I meant "the effects of a spellplague" ... on a land.
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Feed the poor and stroke your ego, too: http://www.freerice.com/index.php.
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2008 : 16:13:42
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Originally posted by Yasraena Dawndancer
Don't Burn, Boycott. Burning Books just makes you look crazy.
I am actually excited for 4th Edition....just not the new Forgotten Realms. I look at the fixes that are going into the rule system for 4th Edition and I really like them. I don't have a problem with converting FR to 4th Edition, I just have a problem with the world changes that make no sense, have no rhyme or reason and are completely unnecessary. The changes have not been thought out and have been done with the very attitude that makes gamers look like losers. (Wow, This would be so cool! *push up glasses* We can drain an entire ocean and blow up a continent and in three generations everything will be AWESOME! *pushes up glasses again*)
Just now I happen to have open another window with my Amazon.com "recommendations," and a thought came to me as to how to "punish" Wizards for killing "our" Realms: those who object to the twitching abortion which will be their "Living Forgotten Realms" should examine their Amazon reccomendations any time they buy a fantasy or game book, and every time one of these monstrosities is presnted, we should check "not interested." Pretty soon their software will learn that most of those who buy D&D or Forgotten Realms books and products really are NOT interested in this cloacal leakage from Wizards, and Amazon will stop suggesting it to others who make similar purchases. I'm going to start today! I buy thousands of dollars a year in game stuff, and I want Amazon to know EXACTLY how I feel about the 4.$$$$$$ Forgotten Realms.
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I have a mouth, but I am in a library and must not scream.
Feed the poor and stroke your ego, too: http://www.freerice.com/index.php.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 02:25:17
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
As for the article itself, it read more like autopsy report on a mangled corpse than a description of anything which mught even be vaguely called "Living Forgotten Realms."
You know, that is quite the apt description! |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Braveheart
Learned Scribe
Austria
159 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 07:22:38
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
As for the article itself, it read more like autopsy report on a mangled corpse than a description of anything which mught even be vaguely called "Living Forgotten Realms."
You know, that is quite the apt description!
Perhaps these feature-articles are just some huge joke and they'll present something completely different in August. They're just provoking us now to get some attention for 4e.. or it's the other way round and the real nightmare starts in August..  |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 13:50:51
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| A very viable argument...maybe everything we dread now will only be much bigger in magnitude |
Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 17:49:42
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| This is going to sound cynical, but it's easiest for me to expect the worst in this case. I'll either have my fears confirmed, or I'll be pleasantly surprised. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 18:20:39
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
This is going to sound cynical, but it's easiest for me to expect the worst in this case. I'll either have my fears confirmed, or I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Nah, not cynical...well, maybe cynical...but does that mean it is a bad thing? Nope... so far I've yet to see something that surprises me pleasantly regarding 4e FR |
Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 19:05:43
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Don't hate the book -- hate the author.
Thats one of the more sensible sentences I have seen in a while. Poor books, children of our friends the trees. Have they asked for this fate? No, they only lie there inside the shelves, eagerly waiting to be of service to us demanding readers. How can anyone advocate cruelty to these poor, defenseless creatures? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 19:09:01
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My thoughts exactly -
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Originally posted by Yasraena Dawndancer
Don't Burn, Boycott. Burning Books just makes you look crazy.
I am actually excited for 4th Edition....just not the new Forgotten Realms. I look at the fixes that are going into the rule system for 4th Edition and I really like them. I don't have a problem with converting FR to 4th Edition, I just have a problem with the world changes that make no sense, have no rhyme or reason and are completely unnecessary. The changes have not been thought out and have been done with the very attitude that makes gamers look like losers. (Wow, This would be so cool! *push up glasses* We can drain an entire ocean and blow up a continent and in three generations everything will be AWESOME! *pushes up glasses again*)
QFT
When I read Rich's last article, I was like "this ain't so bad", but then when I read Bruce Cordell's follow-up piece, I was in shock - all my worst fears were confirmed.
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
As for the article itself, it read more like autopsy report on a mangled corpse than a description of anything which mught even be vaguely called "Living Forgotten Realms." Rotting undead Frogotten Realms, maybe, but certainly not "Living."
I like Jamallo Kreen's description as well - I have compared 4e Realms to the Undead; a lifeless, putrid husk that barely resembles its former self, shambling on in a travesty of life.
Yes... and great big chunks of 'flesh' keep falling off, making it appear less and less like the one we new and loved. 
and when it delivers it's coarse cry for "Brains!", we can only surmise who and what it is referring to... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2008 : 20:57:57
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Nah, not cynical...well, maybe cynical...but does that mean it is a bad thing? Nope... so far I've yet to see something that surprises me pleasantly regarding 4e FR
Same here, except for (maybe) the stated desire of the designers to ease up on RSEs. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2008 : 19:17:05
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Originally posted by Jorkens
How can anyone advocate cruelty to these poor, defenseless creatures?
Because it's fun!  |
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
765 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2008 : 10:32:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And the editing... I don't mind the odd typo, but this one is worse than normal.
You know, I quite liked Lady of Poison and Darkvision and fully intend on still buying Stardeep, but they must rank as some of the worst edited books I have read. Perhaps Bruce is just not good at self-editing and further, unlucky in that his editors don't pick up his mistakes either.
As for my R0.02 concerning this article, it just helps to confirm my worst fears regarding a setting I have invested a whole lot of ZAR into in the last two to three years. Over and above the knee-jerk cringe I had when I saw who it was authored by. Some of the rule changes (specifically some of the dead and dying rules changes, critical hit mechanics and so on) I am very happy about. The abomination of post-apocalypse Realms though... tsk, tsk! |
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