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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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 Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 23:39:37
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Let it go a while longer. Keep in mind that while we do have a decent-sized member base here, not everyone is overly active.  |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 15:21:37
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Seriously, though, I am kind of upset at the giant reset button that was pushed. I hadn't touched my Realms products in months (darn you, WoW!), but I picked up the Grand History after hearing about it on here; I don't know, it feels like a TV show that goes on for 10 years and then just rushes like 2 episodes out that "close" the series.
I am sure they had their reasons for it (i.e. Money), it's just kind of sad. But, I guess it goes along with every novel series leading to RSEs. :( |
Still rockin' the Fey'ri style. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 20:10:13
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| 6 more votes until 100! Come on people! I would like more, but 100 will be a good sample to at least post a progress report on the D&D forums. |
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* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 11:39:15
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Well, I really dislike the changes, but I´m waiting to see what they will do with this.
I prefer to have some faith (optimist) that something of good will come... |
Dwarf, DM, husband, and proud of this! :P
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glitter
Acolyte
France
45 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 16:31:16
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| Just like Chosen of Moradin, I prefer to wait and see the definitive products BUT since one of my favorite place of the FR is the Old Empires and it seems that there isn't any real future for them, I fear that the cannon background will be less and less important for me. |
-The black knight is invincible!
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 16:36:44
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Well, I really dislike the changes, but I´m waiting to see what they will do with this.
I prefer to have some faith (optimist) that something of good will come...
I am being optimistic, but it is entirely because Ed has promised us that though it will not be the same, it will still be an enjoyable place for us to visit. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
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My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2007 : 19:09:03
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| Just asking for more votes. I am hoping to reach 150 votes by week 5. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2007 : 20:39:31
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| I see that I have voted. When exactly did that happen? I think something went wrong when the poll was rebooted. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2007 : 21:09:24
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Originally posted by Snotlord
I see that I have voted. When exactly did that happen? I think something went wrong when the poll was rebooted.
None of the votes were changed when I changed the text. That is why I documented the change, so if someone opposed the textual change they could contact me. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Dezmodu
Acolyte
Netherlands
17 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 13:14:40
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don't care much, I haven't been around long enough to grow realy atached to the realm, though I do find the way they presented it a bit strange. but I'll live with it and get used to it I guese.
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paladin: Ignorance is no excuse!
Rogue: Why?
Paladin: I don't know.
Rogue: IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE!!!
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1076 Posts |
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Rezzenthell
Acolyte
17 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 18:11:47
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| I too hate the changes, I won't be touching 4th edition. |
Prepare to be abysserated fool !! |
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TheArchPriest
Acolyte
Brazil
14 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 18:38:47
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I will wait for the changes to happen
After all we can't judge a book by its cover even if it looks ugly
But I trust Ed |
Black Flame Zealot
Influent Kossuthan Cleric
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Brunswick
Acolyte
Ireland
21 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 10:36:12
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| From everything I have heard and read online, I dont like the changes and I wont be playing 4E Realms. I've been DMing my own not-quite Canon Realms since 1988 and I just dont like the sound of what they're doing to the world (or D&D in general for that matter). Think I'll stick to what I and (more importantly) my Group enjoy. |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2008 : 16:02:52
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| I am interested to see what changes, but will not be playing 4E... |
'Everyone dies...I only choose the time and place for a few.' --Eric Destler |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 18:06:11
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| Well, it seems you have the 200... |
The brave don't live forever,the cautious don't live at all |
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Chyron
Learned Scribe
Hong Kong
279 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 09:49:13
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I voted #2... I know two things from my working life 'Change is inevitable. & People are resistant to change.'
I will take a look at what is being offered. If I don't like it I will wait to buy product in used discount bins just to add to my collection. But what worries me is what will happen to Realms literature. Are novels likely to follow the game timeline? |
Just My Thoughts
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
765 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 11:11:56
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Interesting that at this time, 71% of voters here dislike the changes or worse.
Personally, I'm about halfway between options #1 and #2. I severely dislike the changes and they had better have ironclad and logical reasons for them by the time any new FR products ship.
I fear that the novels I so love to read will also jump a hundred years and/or 'showcase' the Sellplague. That is when I will truly stop buying anything new with a Forgotten Realms logo. |
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Baldwin Stonewood
Acolyte
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Posted - 23 Apr 2008 : 17:45:56
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| I do not like the changes at all. I started playing and Dming again about 1 1/2 years ago. In that time I purchased 28 books (DnD and FR), 4 modules, and a couple dozen FR novels (I read at least one novel per week). So to develop a new gaming system that, I understand, does not permit conversion of the older product to the newer system is unacceptable to me. I will continue to play the Realms as it currently stands but with the my current books and ideas. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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questing gm
Master of Realmslore
Malaysia
1660 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 12:56:32
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Seriously, though, I am kind of upset at the giant reset button that was pushed. I hadn't touched my Realms products in months (darn you, WoW!), but I picked up the Grand History after hearing about it on here; I don't know, it feels like a TV show that goes on for 10 years and then just rushes like 2 episodes out that "close" the series.
4e FR has jumped the shark. 
Where do I place my vote anyway?  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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questing gm
Master of Realmslore
Malaysia
1660 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 16:44:21
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Originally posted by The Sage
You'll find the poll on the first page of this scroll.
I see the poll and poll results but I can't seem to find a Vote button.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2008 : 15:04:27
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How do you feel about the changes mentioned at the end of the Grand History of the Realms?
I didn't like them. They and $th Edition ended my enjoyment of D&D. |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
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Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2008 : 17:27:40
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| I don's see why it should end your enjoyment of D&D, you still have 3.5 (or whatever your preferred edition is) to play in. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2008 : 18:12:39
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
How do you feel about the changes mentioned at the end of the Grand History of the Realms?
I didn't like them. They and $th Edition ended my enjoyment of D&D.
Nice to see you back. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 07:44:47
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
I don's see why it should end your enjoyment of D&D, you still have 3.5 (or whatever your preferred edition is) to play in.
If you can forgive me, your sentence is a bit like saying "We'll always have Paris." Ironically, version 3.5 was a large part of the reason why I dislike $th edition. I bought the three core rulebooks of V3.5 only to discover they were very similar to the 3rd Edition rulebooks. The artwork was the same, the vast majority of text was the same. In my opinion, Wizards of the Cost (WotC) should have released one book detailing the changes. Instead, they chose to make a rather obvious cash grab.
As regards $th edition, I have kept an eye on the changes, some look appealing. However, the timing of the product releases suggests another cash-in. "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me," is the saying I'm applying here.
It's a bit like when the love of your life tells you how good your best friend is in bed but offers the consolation of "But we can still be friends." Actually as regards $th edition I'm really not that heartbroken but I do refuse to be made a fool of again.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Nice to see you back.
Well I'm still the same old prickly cynical curmudgeon that I was last year. I was looking up some information on $th edition last night. (It's a bit like giving up smoking, the habit now disgusts you and you can reel off the health benefits like a medical professional but you still remember the sensation of your first drag coupled with the first drink of the evening.) As I said above some of the changes look appealing. So I thought I'd pop into Candlekeep to see what the sages had said about $th edition.
It's actually very surprising to see that only a third want to buy $th edition and that a similar amount like the changes to the Realms. It really does suggest that WotC made a big mistake. If one thing unites the sages of Candlekeep it's that they would like to buy Forgotten Realms books. From a purely academic point of view it does seem that WotC have manage to alienate over two thirds of a group of potential customers. Perhaps the old adage, "the customer is always right" has some truth.
It was nice to call in last night and skim some of the posts, and, of course, vote in a few polls. I can't quite remember when I said my farewell, was it October last year? I'm not sure if I'll be back for long. I am, after all, mostly a person full of complaints but thank you for your welcome. |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 16:03:40
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
quote:
Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
I don's see why it should end your enjoyment of D&D, you still have 3.5 (or whatever your preferred edition is) to play in.
If you can forgive me, your sentence is a bit like saying "We'll always have Paris." Ironically, version 3.5 was a large part of the reason why I dislike $th edition. I bought the three core rulebooks of V3.5 only to discover they were very similar to the 3rd Edition rulebooks. The artwork was the same, the vast majority of text was the same. In my opinion, Wizards of the Cost (WotC) should have released one book detailing the changes. Instead, they chose to make a rather obvious cash grab.
Which is also one of the big reasons Monte Cook gives for leaving WotC (IIRC). Anyways, I bolded the part of my sentence I think you missed (or chose to ignore). Also, the 3.5 edition did not bother me too much since you can download and use the rules (minus a few monsters like Mind Flayers and Yuan-ti) for free (part of what ticked me off about 4e is that the SRD is a completely useless piece of crap compared to the 3.0 and 3.5 SRDs). Also, you can run 3.5 characters in a 3.0 campaign with little or no problems. But, to each their own.
P.S. Please don't think that just because I am debating about this with you that I do not like you. I just like a good, even-headed debate about things that I feel strongly about (not that I haven't participated in more than a couple not-so-good, not-so-even-headed debates in my time, but I am human  ). Also, I hope that my stand on 3.x Edition does not overly colors your opinions about me.  |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 16:30:29
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
Which is also one of the big reasons Monte Cook gives for leaving WotC (IIRC). Anyways, I bolded the part of my sentence I think you missed (or chose to ignore). Also, the 3.5 edition did not bother me too much since you can download and use the rules (minus a few monsters like Mind Flayers and Yuan-ti) for free (part of what ticked me off about 4e is that the SRD is a completely useless piece of crap compared to the 3.0 and 3.5 SRDs). Also, you can run 3.5 characters in a 3.0 campaign with little or no problems. But, to each their own.
I'm sorry but I didn't choose to ignore your comment. I apologise if I gave you that impression. In fact, I found your mention of V3.5 useful since it allowed me to give some reasons for my particular stance.
When your favourite hobby changes in the way that D&D has done recently you are faced with the choice of following the change or not. However, an enjoyable part of the D&D hobby is new releases since they often introduce new ideas that are appealing. I liken D&D to a computer's operating system. For example, Microsoft now have Vista and hope that many of their users will upgrade. Currently, they are continuing to support users of their older systems. However, when WotC upgraded they do not offer support to the users of their older systems. So the little tweaks and changes, and the new plot ideas that each successive source-book or novel offers stop unless you upgrade to the new edition.
Clearly, there is an argument for going your own way and "cherry picking" (i.e. taking the ideas that appeal and leaving the ones that don't). However, the recent changes seem to be akin to a divorce. Many of the folks on these boards don't like what has happened. Some, like me, feel cheated after the V3.5 stunt and refuse to buy $th edition because of it.
Clearly, when WotC change edition they want most of their customers to change with them. They also want to attract new customers. However, in recent years they've upset a lot of customers.
For me, I was annoyed when V3.5 happened as I felt ripped off. However, although the system had changed slightly the setting had not. Now we have a new system and a new setting.
The setting hasn't evolved it's been radically changed. It's as if the old setting has been crumpled up and thrown away in a fit of pique. The board has very much been wiped clean. Some may say this is brave but most wonder why alienate so many customers who want to buy more books based on the setting.
Evolve or die, is the choice here. Yes, you can stay at a specific edition but the thrill of discovering new material is removed. And officially no new material can be issued. I hope that answers your question better. |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
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