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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
 Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 19:09:17
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Poll Question:
Well, I asked Rich Baker on the D&D FR Forums if he would make this poll since I cannot there, but I have received no response (nor seen it posted there). Anyways, here is the question:
How do you feel about the changes mentioned at the end of the Grand History of the Realms?
EDIT: Option 4: "I love you changes! The designers can do no wrong." changed to: "I like the changes and I feel very positive about the direction being taken with the update." If you have a problem with this, please PM me.
EDIT 2: Added Option 5
October 10, 2008 - Poll Closed
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| I hate the changes! What the hell were they thinking? |
 [49%] |
193 votes |
| I dislike them, but I could live with them if they are presented in a manner that makes sense. |
[25%] |
98 votes |
| I like the changes, but have some reservations about what they entail. |
[10%] |
38 votes |
| I like the changes and I feel very positive about the direction being taken with the update. |
[13%] |
51 votes |
| I don''t care either way. (Please mention reason in a post.) |
[3%] |
12 votes |
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Total Votes: 392 counted »» |
Last Vote:
09 Oct 2008 00:15:31 |
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Edited by - Hawkins on 10 Oct 2008 18:53:11
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 19:32:34
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Well, there is the fifth alternative; I have given up caring much personally. I stopped following canon long ago, but I can see both why this will anger and why it will excite people.
In a way I am glad to see them moving a hundred years ahead, as that removes the ongoing changes completely from my sub-conscience whilst DM'ing in the mid 13oo's. If they want to keep doing major changes they might as well do it in the future. |
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turox
Learned Scribe
USA
145 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 21:16:07
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There is nothing for me to vote on. I am waiting and seeing how it will be when it actually comes out. Until that time everything I hear about 4e is nothing but a rumor.
EDIT: Until it comes out either way I don't see the point to be upset or happy. Once the facts are presented then I will make my desicion. Until then I have other things to do. (Goes back to the party to enjoy some more fun.    |
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Wizard's First Rule: Chapter 36, Page #397, US Hard Cover (revealed by Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander).
Explanation by Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander: "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 22:00:47
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| Thanks to Alaundo for moving the thread. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
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My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 01:11:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
Well, there is the fifth alternative; I have given up caring much personally. I stopped following canon long ago, but I can see both why this will anger and why it will excite people.
In a way I am glad to see them moving a hundred years ahead, as that removes the ongoing changes completely from my sub-conscience whilst DM'ing in the mid 13oo's. If they want to keep doing major changes they might as well do it in the future.
Great point. I'm in the same boat.
Of course, that all didn't stop me from voting for choice 1. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 01:46:57
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| I am reserving judjment for the final outcome. I truly feel that the teasers we have received may do more harm than good. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 02:18:54
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quote:
Originally posted by scererar
I am reserving judjment for the final outcome. I truly feel that the teasers we have received may do more harm than good.
We were bound to find out about the changes eventually, but I kind of agree. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 02:59:44
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I eagerly await the coming of the new FR material. I withhold my judgement until then, although I did vote for #2.  |
Illum
The Wandering Mage |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 03:20:07
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| I will hate it more if they do jump the setting a 100 years or so. Then it will confirm that they could give a **** about people who are running campaigns |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 09:19:49
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I voted for #2 - however, if they actually manage to put out convincing and well-thought-thru explenations for thosechanges I could live with them in my campaigns as well. If not - I guess I will line up next to Jorkens and Rino in the future for all that matters.
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"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht." |
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lockdar
Acolyte
Netherlands
18 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 10:12:53
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| I won't vote till I actually have the new PHB, DMG and FRCS in my hands and read through them. What use is it to actually form an opinion about something that isn't fully explained? |
Save yourself a penny for the ferryman. |
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Marquant Volker
Learned Scribe
Greece
273 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 10:25:33
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What? There is someone who LOVES the changes? The designers can do no wrong?!? To arms! To arms! We have a traitor amongst us! Unleash the hounds! To arms! To arms!
Obviously just kidding
I voted for 2 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 18:19:09
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Originally posted by lockdar
I won't vote till I actually have the new PHB, DMG and FRCS in my hands and read through them. What use is it to actually form an opinion about something that isn't fully explained?
The changes that we do know about don't mesh at all with the plans I have for my Realms, so I have no reason to use them. I also don't like the changes, nor the rationale behind them (what we know so far). No reason not to have an opinion now; I can always change it if I like. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 18:21:22
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| I just want to get as many people as I can to vote, that way I can then post the results from real live Realms fans on the WotC forums. I am trying to get a rational response so the designers can get a real feel for how we feel. I am not asking what you will think, but how you feel right now. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Zorro
Seeker
Germany
82 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 18:48:21
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No. 1 comes closest, although like Jorkens the bad news don't impress me that much. I've given up on the official Realms long ago 
Zorro |
I think that God in creating Man somewhat overestimated his ability. - Oscar Wilde |
Edited by - Zorro on 11 Oct 2007 18:49:34 |
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Athenon
Acolyte
USA
43 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 19:58:14
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I voted #4, but this certainly is an example of introducing bias into a poll. "The designers can do no wrong" is provocative and is an attempt to make that option seem outlandish.
I would have said (and feel) it should have been "I like the changes and I feel very positive about the direction being taken with the update." |
Will Maranto
Representing the Realms in the Wilds of Northern Louisiana |
Edited by - Athenon on 12 Oct 2007 05:43:31 |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 20:08:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Athenon
I voted #4, but this certainly an example of introducing bias into a poll. "The designers can do no wrong" is provocative and is an attempt to make that option seem outlandish.
I would have said (and feel) it should have been "I like the changes and I feel very positive about the direction being taken with the update."
Sorry, I was not trying to put in a preconceived bias. I really wish that one of the WotC employees had put up a similar poll on the WotC boards, but when I asked, no one did, so I took matters into my own hands. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Athenon
Acolyte
USA
43 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 20:36:08
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| I think it's a good thing that you did. I think you're going to find that the way in which this has been leaked out (I'm not convinced this is entirely accidental) has caused a lot of understandable trepidation. In the end, though, we all love the Realms. I believe that Baker, Greenwood and Salvatore do too, though, and I think it's going to work out well. |
Will Maranto
Representing the Realms in the Wilds of Northern Louisiana |
Edited by - Athenon on 11 Oct 2007 20:37:23 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 20:50:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Athenon
I voted #4, but this certainly an example of introducing bias into a poll. "The designers can do no wrong" is provocative and is an attempt to make that option seem outlandish.
I agree with this. Poll options should be kept as neutral as possible. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 21:04:07
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Athenon
I voted #4, but this certainly an example of introducing bias into a poll. "The designers can do no wrong" is provocative and is an attempt to make that option seem outlandish.
I agree with this. Poll options should be kept as neutral as possible.
Can I change that without affecting the current status of the poll? |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 21:22:44
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Uhh...I don't know, sorry.
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"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 11 Oct 2007 21:23:08 |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 21:58:22
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| I have mixed feelings about the changes, 2 or 3 are close, but I cannot choose at this point. I'll wait and see. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 21:58:41
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Athenon
I voted #4, but this certainly an example of introducing bias into a poll. "The designers can do no wrong" is provocative and is an attempt to make that option seem outlandish.
I agree with this. Poll options should be kept as neutral as possible.
Can I change that without affecting the current status of the poll?
It appears that you can, but then, I've never tried. |
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2007 : 00:29:24
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Well like I've written elsewhere, I'm holding judgement until I see the details.
However, it's very unlikely anyone in my gaming group will be interested in a 1450+ campaign or much of the lore anytime soon. So WotC are pretty much already 5 customers worse off for FR stuff from the get-go. |
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Apex
Learned Scribe
USA
229 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2007 : 14:23:58
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| We still play in pre-ToT (1st edition) Realms, so the changes will have little effect my my game, however, the bigger the timeline jump, the less likely any new material will have any relevance at all to my campaign. |
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Aravine
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2007 : 15:08:37
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| I can't vote for this. We have no idea what form these change will take. We hear whispers of Spellplauge, Gods dying, some countries shrinking, others expanding, but until we see the changes we really can only speculate what they will look like. people always fear the unknown. Humans also have a fear of change, and as Yoda said, "Fear leads to Anger,Anger leads to Hate." we have to have faith in Wizards, after all they did make 3 and a half good editions of rule books. come on people,show a little faith |
The brave don't live forever,the cautious don't live at all |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2007 : 16:02:31
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quote:
Originally posted by aravine
I can't vote for this. We have no idea what form these change will take. We hear whispers of Spellplauge, Gods dying, some countries shrinking, others expanding, but until we see the changes we really can only speculate what they will look like. people always fear the unknown. Humans also have a fear of change, and as Yoda said, "Fear leads to Anger,Anger leads to Hate." we have to have faith in Wizards, after all they did make 3 and a half good editions of rule books. come on people,show a little faith
Not to be a jerk, but Wizards has made one and a half edition, the others were TSR. I personally liked TSR's D&D and had (to a limit) faith in them. Wizards might make good products, but they generally do little for me. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2007 : 16:42:50
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| Well, the thing I like about it is the rise of Thrall... I mean Obould and the orc kingdom in Durota.... er... Silver Marches. I know, it's so different from World of Warcraft now! /sigh. |
Still rockin' the Fey'ri style. |
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2007 : 19:18:11
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I voted number 5; not because I don't care, but because, like others here, it doesn't affect me either way as my campaigns diverged from canon long ago.
From the rumours and snippets that I've heard I don't think I'll like the changes. As they are only rumours I'll wait and see if my fears are realised. (I'm not holding my breath though!) |
Edited by - arry on 13 Oct 2007 19:20:19 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2007 : 19:21:19
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quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Well, the thing I like about it is the rise of Thrall... I mean Obould and the orc kingdom in Durota.... er... Silver Marches. I know, it's so different from World of Warcraft now! /sigh.
At least there weren't any evil shamans trying to undercut him . . . er . . . nevermind . . . |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 22:29:40
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| Okay, this does not seem to be doing well. Should we maybe do a new poll with options that have been come with by the community as a whole? Should I just let it run longer? I was hoping to get 100-200 votes so I could present it to the designers on the D&D forums as how the Realms community really feels about the changes announced at the end of the GHotR. I really want to continue buying Realms products from 4e, even though I am not planning to buy any of the 4e core rule books. And I fervently don't want the Realms to die because of the changes and only live on in the hearts of the fans. Any suggestions anyone? |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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