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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 15 May 2003 : 22:13:24
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Originally posted by branmakmuffin
This sounds like circular reasoning, but if Elves weren't so powerful, powergamers wouldn't pick them so often.
Like I said elsewhere, once Drow became an "official" PC race in Unearthed Arcana, powergamers got a new favorite race.
I agree with Bran about the drow being the Power gamers flavour of the 80's. Really though, I do not think regular surface elves lead to power gaming. They really are no more powerful than Dwarves. I think Half orc is far more power gamer than elves.
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eilinel
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Posted - 20 May 2003 : 09:59:57
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| personaly, i think that halflings are the most powerful race among all. they have so much bonus skills, bonus to attack, to AC and so on that they make the best choice for a low level player. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 May 2003 : 10:04:34
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. . . . plus they lend easily to let's-annoy-the-party-paladin characters, right?  |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 May 2003 : 15:07:16
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exactly!! (looking u suspecting u think im not going well with paladins)
Well gnomes are not bad on this point too. |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 May 2003 : 17:16:43
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To annoy the group's paladin, you can also play a kender (from DL).  |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 May 2003 : 19:10:09
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But that would also annoy everyone else too! Then you wouldn't have any friends . . . .  |
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 20 May 2003 : 20:56:19
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In PnP I usually play male characters. Lately I mostly DM so I find my self in a lot of female roles which doesn't bother me at all.
Not sure if I'd have the guts to play a female Well in a pnp game and so I dont at all.
I might give it a shot in a PBeM someday...
There is a bit of a thrill to the strangeness of it I'll admit but the overall weirdness and closemindedness of my (our)cultures and upbringing might freak me out too much.
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 May 2003 : 22:18:49
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Not sure if I'd have the guts to play a female Well in a pnp game and so I dont at all.
Until you try, you won't be sure. Try just once just to see |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 21 May 2003 : 00:16:41
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Play all the opposite gender characters you want I really don't care. Just don't make your female characters flirt with my male characters unless you as a player are female. I have a serious block with that
Of course female characters played by the DM are fair game. I have no idea why my mental block does not extend to NPC's. I had plenty of Male characters participate in romances with females run by male DM's. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 May 2003 : 11:11:33
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Likely because you don't associate that female NPC with the guy playing her. No one ever does when it's the DM, because the DM plays so many other characters. If it's a PC, then you associate it with the person playing it, because (for the time being, anyway) that's the only character that he or she will be playing.
I have to say that I feel about this in basically the same way Mournblade does. Although I'd have to take it farther; there are some people that I'd also feel uncomfortable with if our characters flirted. First, any relative of mine (i.e. sister, cousin, etc.). Second, any woman who's already 'attached' to someone else, whether that be married, engaged, or merely dating. (That's a big 'hands-off' attitude I have.)
In general, most of my psycological misgivings about this would fall away in a PbeM. In there, it's more like story writing. I know it sounds like a double standard, but it's all in the way you view it. If it's on paper (or on a screen), you don't have to look the other person in the eye. I could do a woman in that case. Just not while interacting with others in a 'live' fashion. |
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Artalis
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Posted - 21 May 2003 : 21:58:51
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In general, most of my psycological misgivings about this would fall away in a PbeM. In there, it's more like story writing. I know it sounds like a double standard, but it's all in the way you view it. If it's on paper (or on a screen), you don't have to look the other person in the eye. I could do a woman in that case. Just not while interacting with others in a 'live' fashion.
Agreed, it becomes less personal in a way and one is freed of the misgivings and fears as it is indirect and the players are seperated by distance and time usually, so no teasing or whatnot occurs.
I have to say the best character I have ever created was for PBeM and his roleplaying is some of the best i've ever done as well.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank a few people for recommending it to me.
Frey - You are truly missed
Mumadar- Where you at?
Kitira Gildragon - Thanks for the escort milady
Ditalidas - Miss you too and was sad to miss the opportunity to play opposite you. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 May 2003 : 00:40:53
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Actually two of the girlfriends I have had in the past 10 years I have met while running a D&D game. In fact the most significant lady of my life I met when she decided to give D&D a try. Unfortunately we broke up about 6 years ago, but she will just go down in history as the one all others are matched against.
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 07:51:19
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u had good luck, sure, even if it ended. i mean to find ur girlfriend playing DnD.
To find a boy is far easier, i know
Yep, but answer one of the previous posts, i would put a question, what do u do if the girlfriend of ur best friend flirts with u -in the game, of course ?
Whatever u may answer, u would have some difficulty to make ur choice, and i can understand it but u see that its sometime hard to manage a game with friends and boyfriend. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 07:56:39
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Personally, if this were a table-top, I'd ask her to stop and explain why. If it were PbeM, then that's a whole other story. Basically, if I can't see the face (particularly the eyes) of the other person, I don't associate that person with that character.
So, if my sister-in-law were doing that over the computer, it would be like we were puppeteers and our puppets were the ones doing this. On a table-top, I doubt I could dissasociate player from character. Not to that extent, at least. |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 08:26:23
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its a fail of the mind, my friend.
i can do it with people i know well.
but with those i don't know that muc, i would be harder, not because of myself i think, but i wouldn't like to make trouble since who knows how others react? |
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Belfar
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Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 09:42:39
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| I always roleplay a male unless I'm the DM of course. Even so I don't think I could roleplay a female as a PC because I would start to get stereotypical. I also don't think I could do an in-game romance with a PC or NPC unless it was a PbeM or other online type of roleplaying. Doing an in-game romance while playing tabletop would be too awkward because it would be more personal, especially if it were a male roleplaying a female or a female that was romantically involved with someone else. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 00:18:28
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Your not kidding!!! Dating in game and OUt of game is a pain. I did it in table top, and it was OK (see the Dark elf lady post I made somewhere But I see people date in the Live action role playing game I play all the time. It usaully ends in disaster (this may be a function of the maturity of the players as well) but it is always amusing to me how the LARP people stress over the in game relationships. I (as my Larp character Turloch) was asked why I don't pay much attention to the ladies of the land (i.e. drooling at excessive cleavage falling out of corsets) and I told her (in character) I have lots of magic to discover (or something like that can't remember fully). Out of game it is more of a function of not being impressed by ladies seeking MASSIVE amounts of attention, and I choose not to contribute to their insecure egos. NOTE THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT ALL FEMALES, JUST THE ONES THAT USUALLY LARP. I have met many GREAT ladies gaming, it is just the ones I am attracted to do not BEG for attention.
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Brynweir
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 02:28:42
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From personal experience, I find that it has been easier for females to RP males than for males to RP females, at least for tabletop games (I have no experience with LARP or PbeM). For some reason that didn't seem to be as "creepy" for the guys I played with as a guy pretending to be a girl.
I used to RP with a group that was entirely male (14 people at one time) except for myself. (Believe me, in that situation after four years, you learn what guys act like when there are no girls in the room) Sometimes I would run a male character just to avoid all the stupid flirting and protective "stuff" that some of the new guys would try to pull with my character.
Most times I would run a female, because as I believe Zemd said, you can be flirty and seductive and get away with more. (kinda like RL) It helps that the majority of roleplayers are male.
In my part of the country there seems to be a lack of female roleplayers, and most guys here who are into RPGs assume that the girls are only there because of their boyfriends. In fact, I went to a games convention at Fort Knox, and one of the guys actually avoided flirting with me because he assumed that I was dating one of my friends that I had rode with. Fortunately, I talked to him, got his number, called him up, and a few years later we got married. |
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Yasraena
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 04:20:31
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
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In general, most of my psycological misgivings about this would fall away in a PbeM. In there, it's more like story writing. I know it sounds like a double standard, but it's all in the way you view it. If it's on paper (or on a screen), you don't have to look the other person in the eye. I could do a woman in that case. Just not while interacting with others in a 'live' fashion.
Agreed, it becomes less personal in a way and one is freed of the misgivings and fears as it is indirect and the players are seperated by distance and time usually, so no teasing or whatnot occurs.
Oh jeez guys! C'mon! What? Are we back in grade school again here? I thought that the content of the posts shown on these boards put all of us above that immature BS. My friends and I are old enough to know that what we do in character, in game is not what we do out of the game. In other words, just because I flirt with your PC as Yasraena, doesn't mean I'll flirt with you as Mark. If the group of people you're currently gaming with teases you because you respond realistically to a male playing a female that is coming on to you, then I'd suggest that either you tell them to grow the f*#k up, or find some other more mature people to game with. 
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Yep, but answer one of the previous posts, i would put a question, what do u do if the girlfriend of ur best friend flirts with u -in the game, of course ?
Whatever u may answer, u would have some difficulty to make ur choice, and i can understand it but u see that its sometime hard to manage a game with friends and boyfriend.
I'd have to say that if either one of this couple had a problem with someone in the game flirting with their significant other while in character, they are showing a significant lack of maturity and an extraoridinary amount of insecurity. I can safely say that MY best friend would know that it was all in the game and in no way meant as a pass at his lady. He wouldn't be my best friend if it was otherwise.
This actually happened in a game I was in (although neither one was my best friend. Just gaming acquaintences). A female member was flirting in character with male member of the group, and so he was responding in kind, also in character. Her (then) boyfriend just lost it and threatened to kick this guys a** if he continued. Needless to say, the girlfriend gave him a ration of sh** (and then some), for being a complete jerk about it. In my expereince, I've found that the women are the ones who are more mature when it comes to this sort of thing. At least most of the time. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 05:09:08
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Yes, I'd have to say that women are more flexible, and not just in RPing. They don't have the sort of bullheadedness that comes from TPS. (Testosterone Poisoning Syndrome. )
And I never said that I would have a problem with my girlfriend flirting with someone else. I keep a constant view that if she would be happier with someone else, I wouldn't stop her. I had that happen to me once. It was not fun, I can tell you that. That girl meant more to me than I could possibly say. But she told me she wanted it that way, so I didn't stop her.
Back on topic. The question, remember was if anyone here would have a problem flirting with someone else's girl/boyfriend. And I would. Like Eilinel said, it's a personal failing on my part. I have a very monogamous personality, and that goes both ways for me. People in other relationships are very much off-limits. |
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Yasraena
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 05:27:50
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Yes, I'd have to say that women are more flexible, and not just in RPing. They don't have the sort of bullheadedness that comes from TPS. (Testosterone Poisoning Syndrome. )
And I never said that I would have a problem with my girlfriend flirting with someone else. I keep a constant view that if she would be happier with someone else, I wouldn't stop her. I had that happen to me once. It was not fun, I can tell you that. That girl meant more to me than I could possibly say. But she told me she wanted it that way, so I didn't stop her.
Back on topic. The question, remember was if anyone here would have a problem flirting with someone else's girl/boyfriend. And I would. Like Eilinel said, it's a personal failing on my part. I have a very monogamous personality, and that goes both ways for me. People in other relationships are very much off-limits.
Dude, my heart goes out to you. I've had the same thing happen to me, and it literaly almost killed me.
I too have a very monogamous personality, BW, and I wouldn't pursue someone that's already spoken for, even if she's the instigator. But I also know that if I flirt with that same person in character and in a game situation, it means nothing in real life. And I would hope that her S.O. would realize it as well. If he didn't, I would hope that either she or I would be able to educate him to that fact. |
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Mournblade
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 23:29:21
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Bookwyrm I agree with Yasraena's post above. That is rough, it happened to me, and like above I almost died. But the thing is I have become TERRIBLY jaded, and I no longer concern myself with Dating, or monogamy. If I dated someone I would be monogamist, but I never consider it my responsibility to preserve someone else's relationship (unless they are a friend, than it is a trust issue). But if I know someone is spoken for so to speak, and she flirts or makes passes, well that is her responsibility not mine. Bad I know, but trust me whne it happens to you about 3 times, you tend to get realistic
we have a 50% divorce rate in this country for a reason. And of the 50% that don't get divorced, you know at least 1/3 of them WANT TO. It is the attached person's responsibility to STAY attached.
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Yasraena
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Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 05:28:23
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HAH HAH! How did I get off on this tangent!
Hahaha! Don't feel bad Mournblade. This seems to happen to everybody on these boards eventually!  |
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eilinel
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Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 11:31:00
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well, i don't know. ur probably right, although
But as Mournblade said, it would be also difficult for me to play well my role in a live action -they always give me the hardest role, since they know me well.
u said its a question of maturity, i don't know, because some people can't do that by anyway u know, and it doesn't mean that they are not mature or what, try to play with an average italian, for instance, ull see what flirt means for him. Its in the culture too.
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Yasraena
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Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 20:13:47
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well, i don't know. ur probably right, although
But as Mournblade said, it would be also difficult for me to play well my role in a live action -they always give me the hardest role, since they know me well.
u said its a question of maturity, i don't know, because some people can't do that by anyway u know, and it doesn't mean that they are not mature or what, try to play with an average italian, for instance, ull see what flirt means for him. Its in the culture too.
Well, live action is a bit different, in that to play a female, I'd have to dress up as one, and I'm just not going to do that!
You have a point about the culture thing, though. Culture is learned from a very young age, and therefore extremely hard to think that it might be wrong. Personally, I happen to think that particular aspect of Italian male culture that you refer to (macho, tough guy, chauvinistic, etc) is a total load of crap. They however have been taught this from birth, so they think it's ok to act that way, that that's how you have to act like to be a man.
In the States, however, the traditional roles of males/females have changed so drastically in the last 50 years that anyone who still thinks it's weird/wrong/etc to take on the other gender's roles is still living in the dark ages.
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branmakmuffin
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Posted - 05 Jun 2003 : 21:53:48
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Originally posted by Yasraena:
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(See Mournblade? Tangents flying everywhere on this topic! )
Some people have a lot of nerve straying off topic.
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Mournblade
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 00:11:25
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Well, live action is a bit different, in that to play a female, I'd have to dress up as one, and I'm just not going to do that!
(See Mournblade? Tangents flying everywhere on this topic! )
Yasraena there is a guy at the LARP I play that DOES play a female. he is just someone I wish would not COME to the larp. He runs around talking in this FAKE high pitch accent, and acting like a total idiot. I think he is gay as well which is inconsequential, but he ALWAYS tries to flirt with male PC's at the game. He only botherd me ONCE... I enfeebled his mind for a half hour and he has not bothered me since.
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eilinel
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 09:23:24
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Well, live action is a bit different, in that to play a female, I'd have to dress up as one, and I'm just not going to do that!
And how does a female dress up?
i never wore any dress, if its what u meant and i will never even under the torture -well, we can make a deal...
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Yasraena there is a guy at the LARP I play that DOES play a female. he is just someone I wish would not COME to the larp. He runs around talking in this FAKE high pitch accent, and acting like a total idiot. I think he is gay as well which is inconsequential, but he ALWAYS tries to flirt with male PC's at the game. He only botherd me ONCE... I enfeebled his mind for a half hour and he has not bothered me since.
well, thats an other problem and i find u here , and ure right, i would have done the same thing but with my own manner -crashing his... , too bad!! |
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branmakmuffin
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 23:12:26
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My straight (no pun intended) answer is: I think men who like to RP only women are a bit odd. The ones I have met have always been effeminate in RL. It doesn't bother me, I just think it's odd.
I have RP'd with too few women to have ever seen a woman RPing a man. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 10:48:54
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Isn't it interesting how (western) society has been more accepting of women cross-dressing as men rather than the other way around? The only time that male cross-dressing was considered general practice (that I know of -- please tell me if you know of another, I'd be interested in that) is on the stage in previous centuries. And that, as I understand it, was considered more of a "protection" of women. For some reason, a woman actor was considered no better than a prostitute. Not sure how that got started, but I'm sure it was some typically dumb male who did it, and hardly a fault of a woman.
There used to be a reversal of that in Arabic societies, interestingly enough. If you were a man, and you wanted to be a singer or musician of any sort, you were basically screwed unless you disguised yourself as a woman.
Finally, I've heard of a famous Japanese theater (so famous I've forgotten its name  ) that has a tradition of never allowing a woman on the stage during its entire history. If you see what looks like a woman singing or anything there, it's actually a skilled young man. |
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