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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 05:20:44
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Originally posted by Xysma
But at least it makes more sense than the Helm thing. That one is really... weird.
Have you read the complete thing ? (in another message by the same poster on ENWorld)
Summary : Cyric tricked Tyr and Helm into a duel while Tyr was courting Tymora with the help of Helm. (Tyr and Tymora wedding was suggested by Sune to help a kind of "balance").
FR gods doing this kind of "tragedy" is pretty standard. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 06:16:26
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've never had a problem with Mystra 2.0, and have oft argued with those who did (because I so often see a misconception cited as their reasoning for disliking her).
I simply don't like the idea of a ascended Good god of Magic in a high-fantasy setting like FR.
*weary sigh* Why not? What's wrong with it? She is, in regards to administering her portfolio, neutral. With that in mind, what does her alignment matter?
Sure, she stepped out of bounds, because of her alignment. This was mentioned in exactly one novel. It was never a factor in game play, especially since she was slapped down for it.
She could be CE -- as long as she is neutral in doing her job, it doesn't matter.
So I'm failing to see how her alignment is any kind of factor. |
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Eremite
Learned Scribe
Singapore
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 07:37:43
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If what is posted is correct, I think we're seeing a very, very lame restart of FR. Back to the grey box, methinks....
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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 08:06:01
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Oh.
Well that romance thing sounds kind of lame. The death of Mystra by some kind of alliance of Cyric and Shar I can just about buy. But it looks from that ENWorld thread that there is a thorough culling of other gods going on as well.
Cyric being locked away for 1000 years won't stop him from having an effect on the Realms, it just makes him Faerun's version of Oerth's mad old Tharizdun.
Ah well. I'm still interested to see where all this leads. |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 09:22:36
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Mystra and Helm aren't the only gods to bite the dust. Azuth, Savras and Velsharoon all go. Gorm, Heala, Laduguer, and Deep Duerra die in battle with each other, apparently. Additionally many planes are "shifted" or destroyed. The book states that only the greater gods can protect their respective planes from the destruction.
And in the biggest understatement of the year, the last line says that the Weave is destroyed and the "old world" ends and a new one begins. What that means is anybody's guess. Sigh.
At least Drizzt's still alive though!  |
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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 10:37:55
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| It's quite clearly a reduction in size of the pantheon(s), to make it more accessible to new players, unless new gods will arise to take on the fallen god's portfolios. I can quite see Tyr taking on Helm's portfolio, and perhaps there will be no god or goddess of magic, but a patron of magic-users (Azuth, Velsharoon - who are both apparently not destroyed but cast into the Astral Plane - oh no! not the Astral Plane!). |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 12:17:22
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I'd just like to thank WOTC for making sure to tack this onto the end of what was probably the last FR product (RPG) I'll be buying, almost as if they need to make sure to start their "new" Realms as soon as possible.
Again, much of this looks like a checklist of changes to conform the Realms to those that currently do not like the setting. They can do it, but I'm betting a lot of people that said, "I hate the Realms because of X, and if that changed, I might check it out" will eventually find something else that bothers them just as much.
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 14:31:38
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Well, after a good night of sleep, I think a little about the matter, and IMO, it's not so bad. I really don't like of the "gods of the ToT". One thing is to be a mortal that became a god (Torm, Azuth, and the trio nefarious - Bane, Myrkul and Bhaal ). They are mortals that achieve too much, that make various epic things to become what they are, today. Perhaps we never came to know exactly how they do this. The crucial is to know that they do, with a lot of hard work, and mystery.
On the other side, we have three gods that became gods to justificate a change in the rules. I never like of Cyric, and always prefer old Mystra, so, the departing of Cyric and Midnight only left me wondering when someone will kick Kelemvor out, too. 
The Tyr/Helm episode, AFAIK, is a tragic one, and it remember me much of what I know of our real world pantheons. Heck, I like of Helm, but I understand that this kind of thing is very plausible...
The departure of some gods, and a re-write of the pantheons is something that left me with mixed fellings. Of course that there are gods that I prefer to stay in the Realms... but let's see what will happen, and more yet, how it will be handled. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 14:40:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So I'm failing to see how her alignment is any kind of factor.
Why no Evil chosen ?
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Originally posted by Uzzy
Additionally many planes are "shifted" or destroyed. The book states that only the greater gods can protect their respective planes from the destruction.
Hmm.. the end of the FR cosmology maybe ???
IMHO, the destruction of the Weave is done to lessen the difference between core D&D and FR about magic. I'm not totaly against it, because we didn't have a Weave-based magic system anyway.
Something strange.. the Drow/Human/Dwarven pantheons are reduced, but not the Elven and the Halfling ones ? |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 14:46:05
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Originally posted by Skeptic
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So I'm failing to see how her alignment is any kind of factor.
Why no Evil chosen ?
As this is not a matter of balance, would you chose a power hungry or self centered person to represent you and harness parts of your power? The Cult of the Dragon would work as a good reminder to why that is not a good idea.
As for the changes that seems to be going on in the Pantheon. No comment beyond, I will never follow that in my own Realms. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 14:52:50
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Something strange.. the Drow/Human/Dwarven pantheons are reduced, but not the Elven and the Halfling ones ?
The gnome deities hide them. All hail Baravar Cloakshadow!!!   |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 14:58:56
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Originally posted by Jorkens
As this is not a matter of balance
Creating a dozen Good immortal silverfire users is not a matter of balance of course
Maybe you should ask Zhents and Red Wizards about it
Edit : I like the Seven Sisters, El, etc. I just would have liked more Neutral and at least one Evil chosen. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 15:08:06
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Originally posted by Skeptic
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So I'm failing to see how her alignment is any kind of factor.
Why no Evil chosen ?
Ed addressed that a while ago...
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Hello again, fellow scribes. I come bearing Ed’s replies to Rain’s questions: “I often get the impression from various sources that the Chosen of Mystra are a bunch of high level good characters who run around killing evil (and I can imagine people in the realms thinking that as well), but what they are really doing is furthering the use of magic and stopping the ones who would restrict it, so regarding that: Has Mystra (apart from Sammaster) had any Chosen who were clearly evil? Have The Chosen ever had to perform ‘evil’ tasks to help further Mystra's cause? And (this may be a weird question) do the Chosen or their allies (for example The Harpers) know what Mystras overall point with the Chosen are?”
Ed speaks:
First of all, thanks for your kind words, and I hope the various swift and timely scribes’ replies to you about Realmspace have taken care of your lore needs for The Dawn Heralds, the Wanderers, and the Tears of Selune.
Now as for the Chosen: Mystra has indeed had evil Chosen (NDAs prevent me from saying much about who, when, why, and so on), but learned that evil beings, whatever their promises to her or initial intent, always drifted into “control” of magic (heavy restrictions), rather than just strategically letting this person but not that person have a particular spell or lore-knowledge. In other words, they always moved towards a situation in which a chosen few (beholden to them or under their overt control) had access to powerful magic, and worked against others enjoying that same access. Even when their intended end result was, say, an empire run by wizards (Thay, for example), the means to creating that empire would be control of magic - - and this control would inevitably corrupt, leading them to value control over dissemination of magic (“Nay, Holy Mystra, the people aren’t ready to be handed that magic yet. Let me just prepare them properly first!”/“YOU SAID THE SAME WORDS TO ME SIX SEASONS AGO! WHEN *WILL* THEY BE ‘READY’? EVER?”).
Yes, all of the Chosen have performed evil tasks (killing wizards, sorcerers, priests, and warriors who sought to control magic, deny magic to others, or use magic to enslave or terrorize others, for instance: even if a “bad guy” was being removed, the murder was still murder) to advance Mystra’s aims. Magic has been stolen by Chosen, copied or duplicated against the wishes of (or laws crafted by) its owners by the Chosen, some of the Chosen have tricked, killed, and betrayed (into death-traps) particular rulers, and so on.
Of course the Chosen understand their cardinal role (helping Mystra spread the use of magic throughout Faerûn, by undertaking specific tasks she orders - - some of which they may not understand or see the point of, at all). Most allies of the Chosen know Mystra’s creed, too (note that it’s incorrect to view the Harpers as staunch allies of the Chosen; what they are is personal friends in many cases, and power groups whose interests [opposing overly-strong rulers] often coincide, leading them to often work together or at least not oppose or expose each other.
Chosen often go temporarily insane or forget things (Elminster’s mind-battle in ELMINSTER IN HELL is an example), but if you encounter Chosen portrayed in game play or Realms publications as not knowing or agreeing with this role, either you’re seeing other creatures masquerading as Chosen, or encountering the work of a player or DM who doesn’t understand the Chosen, and DOES see them as “Ed’s meddling old goat wizards and superbabes serving Miss Goody Two-Boots Magic to defeat evil and spread overly-sweet goodness across the Realms.”
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 15:44:26
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ed addressed that a while ago...
I'm aware of it, but he's talking about Mystra 1.0 and he's talking under 1E/2E alignments definitions which are somewhat different from 3E. (Maybe 4E will bring back the firsts)
Anyway, that's not the purpose of this thread |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 15:54:40
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Something strange.. the Drow/Human/Dwarven pantheons are reduced, but not the Elven and the Halfling ones ?
The gnome deities hide them. All hail Baravar Cloakshadow!!!
Maybe a Elven Diety with magic listed in their portfolio stepped up and filled the void left by Mystra. Or maybe it is a typo... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Sep 2007 : 01:03:55
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I'd just like to thank WOTC for making sure to tack this onto the end of what was probably the last FR product (RPG) I'll be buying, almost as if they need to make sure to start their "new" Realms as soon as possible.
And perhaps I should thank WotC for effectively saving me money in the future--the money I might have spent on their products will now go towards other things.
The dwarven deity infighting thing really has me baffled by the way. And mildly amused at how obvious it is (it's thinly veiled pantheon-pruning).
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BeezerMN
Acolyte
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Posted - 15 Sep 2007 : 01:56:39
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Hi All, I just have a quick question about this book that I was hoping to get answered.
On the Amazon.com page for tis book it says:
"...In addition, the book features an exclusive Forgotten Realms short story by best-selling author R.A. Salvatore and new revelations for Realmslore aficionados."
Yet, I recently heard that this is not the case and that there is no such SS in this.
Can someone confrm/deny this for me?
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Sep 2007 : 02:02:42
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Originally posted by BeezerMN
Hi All, I just have a quick question about this book that I was hoping to get answered.
On the Amazon.com page for tis book it says:
"...In addition, the book features an exclusive Forgotten Realms short story by best-selling author R.A. Salvatore and new revelations for Realmslore aficionados."
Yet, I recently heard that this is not the case and that there is no such SS in this.
Can someone confrm/deny this for me?
Thanks much.
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Sep 2007 : 03:45:16
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Again, much of this looks like a checklist of changes to conform the Realms to those that currently do not like the setting. They can do it, but I'm betting a lot of people that said, "I hate the Realms because of X, and if that changed, I might check it out" will eventually find something else that bothers them just as much.
I mentioned this in that other, enworld discussion, too. It seems WotC is really joping to gain new followers from those who "might look at the setting" now, but they seem to be losing many others not happy with the changes. Of course, other voices over there are saying why not put you game in any timeframe? Exactly! Why buy 4e stuff then if you can use all the 1e/2e/3.x material? It seems WotC will be losing more than they can gain over this.
Oh, just checked out enworld, again. Your earlier preediction is correct. Many of the same comments about how interesting the setting is, but if it continues with the "meta-plot" and novels setting the pace, they won't buy it. No matter how nice it seems now. A couple did say they would, but I kinda wonder. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Sep 2007 : 18:29:11
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Originally posted by Skeptic
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Originally posted by Xysma
But at least it makes more sense than the Helm thing. That one is really... weird.
Have you read the complete thing ? (in another message by the same poster on ENWorld)
Summary : Cyric tricked Tyr and Helm into a duel while Tyr was courting Tymora with the help of Helm. (Tyr and Tymora wedding was suggested by Sune to help a kind of "balance").
FR gods doing this kind of "tragedy" is pretty standard.
First of all, it'd be completely plausible if the two gods involved would have been, for example, Tempus and Garagos (chaotic-aligned and rivals, to boot). As for long-time allied *LAWFUL* deities (one of them being the God of *JUSTICE*) fighting to death over the 'heart' of a tomboy *CHAOTIC* goddess -- not to mention that Tyr would actually hide/conceal his involvement in this sad affair... you *REALLY* find this very logical or being consistent with the 'feel' of the Realms?  |
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Ayunken-vanzan
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Posted - 15 Sep 2007 : 18:35:31
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
First of all, it'd be completely plausible if the two gods involved would have been, for example, Tempus and Garagos (chaotic-aligned and rivals, to boot). As for long-time allied *LAWFUL* deities (one of them being the God of *JUSTICE*) fighting to death over the 'heart' of a tomboy *CHAOTIC* goddess -- not to mention that Tyr would actually hide/conceal his involvement in this sad affair... you *REALLY* find this very logical or being consistent with the 'feel' of the Realms?
This is so true, especially in the light of the fact that there are other valid reasons for Tyr to become upset about his ally Helm: as others has mentioned, the atrocities of Helmites in Maztica would be reason enough for Tyr to investigate and punish his underling. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Sep 2007 : 18:41:54
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
First of all, it'd be completely plausible if the two gods involved would have been, for example, Tempus and Garagos (chaotic-aligned and rivals, to boot). As for long-time allied *LAWFUL* deities (one of them being the God of *JUSTICE*) fighting to death over the 'heart' of a tomboy *CHAOTIC* goddess -- not to mention that Tyr would actually hide/conceal his involvement in this sad affair... you *REALLY* find this very logical or being consistent with the 'feel' of the Realms?
Well, I try to ignore your posts but..
First it's an official challenge/duel, not a raging brawl.
Second, the hiding bit is a misunderstanding of an incomplete report of the complete text.
Third, it's not relevant, but Tymora no more appear as a "tomboy" (ref. F&P)
Four, the union of Tyr and Tymora was suggested by Sune because they are quite different, that's the purpose of it. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Sep 2007 : 22:10:19
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Originally posted by Skeptic
[quote]Well, I try to ignore your posts but..
First it's an official challenge/duel, not a raging brawl.
Second, the hiding bit is a misunderstanding of an incomplete report of the complete text.
Third, it's not relevant, but Tymora no more appear as a "tomboy" (ref. F&P)
Four, the union of Tyr and Tymora was suggested by Sune because they are quite different, that's the purpose of it.
Why do you ignore my posts? I am a good chap, really...
To answer your points:
1) Even manipulated by another deity, no LG deity would willingly slay his own servant and ally in a *DUEL* -- unless he rolled a Divine Crit ("Oops! Sorry Helm, my chap, I just accidentally lopped your head off!") 
2) Have you seen the full text? I haven't, but based on these spoilers, it feels a bit 'wrong' if the God of Justice does not 'confess' his crime. He just accepts coolly the fact that he killed one of his closest allies because he thought (due to Cyric's manipulations) that Helm might be courting his wife-to-be, whom, apparently, he doesn't even love (which is the case, since he was marrying Tymora just because Sune thought it'd be "cool" for Tyr to have a Chaotic wife).
3) Yet she has always been portrayed in Realmslore as a 'tomboy', no matter what kind of picture they slapped in F&P.
4) See point 2) |
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Skeptic
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Posted - 15 Sep 2007 : 22:57:05
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Why do you ignore my posts? I am a good chap, really...
Because of a lack of objectivity in many posts about 4E changes (even excluding FR ones)
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
2) Have you seen the full text? I haven't, but based on these spoilers, it feels a bit 'wrong' if the God of Justice does not 'confess' his crime.
I agree there is a problem if Tyr's is hiding the fact that he killed Helm in a duel/challenge. However, I need the full text to see if that's what happened.
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
3) Yet she has always been portrayed in Realmslore as a 'tomboy', no matter what kind of picture they slapped in F&P.
That's not only the picture (I know we can't trust artists), F&P text says that she changed her look recently. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Sep 2007 : 23:38:18
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Because of a lack of objectivity in many posts about 4E changes (even excluding FR ones)
You know, this is a bit rich coming from the guy who calls himself the 'official 4E optimist'!
Okay, maybe it's because I feel that WoTC is not taking the game in the right direction. Yes, my opinion is largely based on rumours and conclusions on their vaguely written playtest reports and design notes, but if they wish to change my opinion about this, how about giving some hard facts for a change? I am tired of being repeatedly told that "This is gonna be *SO* cool and great and fun and whatever you want it to be! And it's definitely gonna be better and way COOLER than 3e".
As for my opinions about changes in 4E FR, I think I'm entitled to them. I have the right to be angry as everything I've grown to love about the Realms is being flushed down the toilet. It's a bit different than it was with ToT (and other RSEs), because most of my FR books and the lore they contained was still applicable. Now we're talking about starting from a scratch -- a clean plate, literally *begging* for lore ("Please, please give us some info about Cormyr, because my players are headed there!").Or What if I want to run a campaign in the Dalelands, but the designers want to dish out Regional Books about Utter East or the Moonshaes?
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That's not only the picture (I know we can't trust artists), F&P text says that she changed her look recently.
Fair enough, but I still find it hard to believe that Tyr would marry her "because they're so different". |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 00:03:35
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WooHoo, 3 book stores, but I got my copy today  from first glance, not a single D&D reference on this tome anywhere. Drizzt on the front cover, Elminster on the back cover. Looks like a lot of regurgitated artwork, but it looks very nice overall. Price is a bit high at $30.00, but worth the price for realms fans. I do not see many non-realmsians (if that is a word) picking this up though. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 00:09:47
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
You know, this is a bit rich coming from the guy who calls himself the 'official 4E optimist'!
Hehe, I added it on Candlekeep and not on ENWorld or WOTC boards because here few seem positive about it.
I'm much less optimist on 4E FR changes even if I disliked Mystra 2.0 and some others 2E era elements that could get throwed with 4E.
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Okay, maybe it's because I feel that WoTC is not taking the game in the right direction. Yes, my opinion is largely based on rumours and conclusions on their vaguely written playtest reports and design notes, but if they wish to change my opinion about this, how about giving some hard facts for a change?
Because I know you are not ignorant of RPG theory, I feel you have been fooled, I don't why/how, into seeing 4E differently than I.
Maybe we could try again to see why from the same rumors/report we have so much a different view on 4E.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 00:56:38
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4th is great, because they did not kill my favorite deity. *wink* just some friends of the deity.
People have diverse interest in their Realms play, some could have invested more in Silvermoon and another more invested in the Silver March.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 01:13:24
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Originally posted by Kentinal
4th is great, because they did not kill my favorite deity. *wink* just some friends of the deity.
People have diverse interest in their Realms play, some could have invested more in Silvermoon and another more invested in the Silver March.
The same text will have different inpact on the two different people.
If this is a response to my previous post I don't understand it. My views on 4E rules changes and 4E realms are quite different. |
Edited by - Skeptic on 16 Sep 2007 01:13:58 |
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