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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer

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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 :  04:04:40  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not I, no. My computer cannot handle NWN2 very well, so I didn't get far in the official campaign. I did, however, get a couple references from NWN1 and its expansions into the Grand History.

quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Hey Brian did you do include anything from the NWN2 Story line?


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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 :  05:07:17  Show Profile Send Skeptic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Not I, no. My computer cannot handle NWN2 very well, so I didn't get far in the official campaign. I did, however, get a couple references from NWN1 and its expansions into the Grand History.

quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Hey Brian did you do include anything from the NWN2 Story line?





Hmm I tought plots from games weren't canon ? (I know that game novelization is canon !




Edited by - Skeptic on 12 Jun 2007 05:09:11
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Na-Gang
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 :  12:43:57  Show Profile  Visit Na-Gang's Homepage Send Na-Gang a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fear not Brian, I have a feeling that, this being a fans' wet dream of a book, plenty of the downloaders will be buying the book. Myself included.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 :  23:47:14  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Not I, no. My computer cannot handle NWN2 very well, so I didn't get far in the official campaign. I did, however, get a couple references from NWN1 and its expansions into the Grand History.

quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Hey Brian did you do include anything from the NWN2 Story line?





Ah ok

Did you include the Legacy of the Green Regent RPGA modules in the timeline?

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 :  01:09:31  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Negative. There are very few Realms materials I don't own, but that's one of them. Unless of course, Eric or one of the others included it.
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Did you include the Legacy of the Green Regent RPGA modules in the timeline?


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Brian R. James
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 :  01:15:03  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I believe the general rule is that events from computer games are too variable to be considered canon until they are summarized and placed into either a sourcebook or novel.
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Hmm I tought plots from games weren't canon ? (I know that game novelization is canon !

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Dargoth
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 :  03:25:54  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Negative. There are very few Realms materials I don't own, but that's one of them. Unless of course, Eric or one of the others included it.
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
Did you include the Legacy of the Green Regent RPGA modules in the timeline?





Id email them to you but the PDFs weigh in at around 40 Meg theres around 20-30 mini modules in the series set in and around Loudwater

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Skeptic
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

I believe the general rule is that events from computer games are too variable to be considered canon until they are summarized and placed into either a sourcebook or novel.
quote:
Originally posted by Skeptic

Hmm I tought plots from games weren't canon ? (I know that game novelization is canon !




In fact, the biggest problem with games IMHO is that they are far less acurate regarding existing lore.
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AlorinDawn
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 :  03:45:29  Show Profile  Visit AlorinDawn's Homepage Send AlorinDawn a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
And finally working with Managing Editor Kim Mohan to ensure the product is solid and as error free as possible. This is the guy that wrote the original Wilderness Survival Guide back in 1st-Edition. How cool is that? Anyway, the experience was certainly fantastic and I hope I have the opportunity to work with these folks again soon!



As long as I can remember nearly any product with Kim Mohan as the editor was well put together. As funny as it sounds when picking up D&D books I look for his name as the editor. I bet the experience was fantastic.

Rest assured that this will be purchased by myself and if the product is just half as cool as it sounds I'll be buying a few for x-mas gifts as well.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 :  04:42:17  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

Negative. There are very few Realms materials I don't own, but that's one of them. Unless of course, Eric or one of the others included it.
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
Did you include the Legacy of the Green Regent RPGA modules in the timeline?





Id email them to you but the PDFs weigh in at around 40 Meg theres around 20-30 mini modules in the series set in and around Loudwater




You emailed me some of them, but not all of them...

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Zanan
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Posted - 16 Jun 2007 :  00:16:24  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

Will the impact / timeline / outcome of the War of the Spider Queen and the in-game solution to City of the Spider Queen been included, as we have been yearning to know it for ... well ... aeons?



As I said to you in another scroll, Eric's Dragon article for the Dalelands has the Spider Queen timeline.



After checking on that ... the Dragon only mentions the beginning of the battle for Maerimydra and the end date of the WotSQ. No info on how things ended in the Maerimydra. Lady Penitent I was vague here too, though Pt. II of the "Fall of the Drow Deities" may enlighten us.

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Dhomal
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Posted - 16 Jun 2007 :  01:40:38  Show Profile Send Dhomal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello-

As an aside - I noticed at work that the date has changed again - and is listed for November - as opposed to September - anyone have any info if it was pushed back?

I was sorta-hoping that we might see first-shipment copies at GenCon this summer if it was Sept - but if it is Nov - taht wont happen...

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George Krashos
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Australia
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Posted - 16 Jun 2007 :  10:29:21  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I thought it was September. I don't think I can wait till November.

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Dargoth
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Posted - 16 Jun 2007 :  10:59:47  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Given that part 3 of the mega module trilogy will be released in November I doubt they'll release GHtR in the same month (I dont recall wizards ever releasing 2 FR source books in the same month)

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 16 Jun 2007 :  14:13:30  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Amazon.com lists the release date as September 18th.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 17 Jun 2007 :  00:42:19  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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Amazon.com lists the release date as September 18th.



Ah, thanks Wooly. That's what I'd heard. I'm going to see whether the powers that be can have my author copies for me at GEN-CON. At the very least it will save them some postage.

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 17 Jun 2007 :  15:45:32  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed really likes Kim Mohan, who "hired" (quotes because it wasn't a salaried position) Ed and Roger Moore as the first Contributing Editors at DRAGON, years and years ago. And so, in a way, set us all on the path to seeing the published Realms. (I believe what did it for Kim was seeing the manuscript for Ed's Gates article, that ran in issue 37 of The Dragon: "Footnotes!" he said. "I never thought I'd see an article sent to us with FOOTNOTES!") Ed really enjoyed Kim's take on attending GenCon that appeared earlier in Dragon (which I believe got Kim a job at TSR).
According to Ed, Kim is a superb journalist who makes everyone "hit their marks" and not leave anything out. Space reasons may mean things have to get left out in the published version, but Kim needs to know that everything's been thought out and covered, so that there are no logic holes and nothing important left undescribed. Basic journalism, yes, but something that all too often was lacking in game writing at the time.
Ed's words: "If you needed something organized and planned, Kim would be a good man to trust to do it right."
So, a salute to Kim.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 17 Jun 2007 :  23:26:54  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'll second that. Kim's work on GHotR has been awesome. I would say it's rare for an editor of a FR product to be asking for more lore on various topics in the development process.

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Reefy
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Posted - 22 Jun 2007 :  21:07:15  Show Profile  Visit Reefy's Homepage Send Reefy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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Amazon.com lists the release date as September 18th.



This begs the question - can I wait the six days between its release and my birthday?

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Reefy

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Amazon.com lists the release date as September 18th.



This begs the question - can I wait the six days between its release and my birthday?



Why do that? Pick someone to give you an early present.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 23 Jun 2007 :  08:43:39  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Reefy

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Amazon.com lists the release date as September 18th.



This begs the question - can I wait the six days between its release and my birthday?



Why do that? Pick someone to give you an early present.



Or just give yourself an early birthday present. Go on. You deserve it!

-- George Krashos



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Edited by - George Krashos on 23 Jun 2007 08:44:16
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 :  00:43:42  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just give it to yourself as a present...period. I do that all the time, whether it's my birthday or not.

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Reefy
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 :  18:29:42  Show Profile  Visit Reefy's Homepage Send Reefy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think I could live with that. The next question, therefore, is does anyone know if Oxford has a good FLGS, as that's where I'll be based by then?

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
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I think I could live with that. The next question, therefore, is does anyone know if Oxford has a good FLGS, as that's where I'll be based by then?



I'm sure someone knows... Now, whether or not they are able to answer you here is another story!

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Dargoth
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Posted - 30 Jun 2007 :  05:34:29  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cover art of Grand History of the Realms has been posted over at Amazon

Here

Incidently both Amazon and WOTC are saying September



Mod Edit: Cast shortened link spell

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George Krashos
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Posted - 30 Jun 2007 :  06:59:45  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The look is different to the standard FR line. Interesting. Hopefully having Drizzt on the cover will sell more copies.

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Posted - 30 Jun 2007 :  09:49:05  Show Profile  Visit Ayunken-vanzan's Homepage Send Ayunken-vanzan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow, very impressive. I like it very much. Now I am looking forward to discover the art used inside.

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 30 Jun 2007 :  15:53:18  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sometimes I have to pinch myself. I still cannot believe this book is being published.

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Faraer
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Posted - 30 Jun 2007 :  17:48:47  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When I lived in Oxford, I went to the Gameskeeper on Cowley Road. I don't know what it's like now, or for sure if it's still there, but you could phone them ((01865 721348) and it's probably been discussed somewhere like rpg.net.
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Posted - 30 Jun 2007 :  17:59:12  Show Profile  Visit Reefy's Homepage Send Reefy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

When I lived in Oxford, I went to the Gameskeeper on Cowley Road. I don't know what it's like now, or for sure if it's still there, but you could phone them ((01865 721348) and it's probably been discussed somewhere like rpg.net.



Thanks, Faraer. It has a website of sorts, which suggests it's still going.
As for the cover, interesting that they've not gone with the usual style. I'm not quite sure what it means by not being a RPG product either, but I'm happy to go along with George - if putting Drizzt on the cover means more people pick it up to have a look at it and buy a copy then I'm not going to complain.

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