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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 03:08:56
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Originally posted by GMJAh
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
To answer what I *think* you're asking... No, the individual entries do not have specific source references, anymore. It makes sense, though, since they are adding entries that had not previously seen print.
Yes, that was what i was asking  Thank you for the answer. But imho it would not have hurted to keep the existing references, as those were a big part why the original was such a great reference material.
Well, there is always the chance that a web enhancement could come out later with that available? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 03:10:45
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
I want to know if Kuje has found the 'Easter Egg' I left in the Grand History. Hint: It has his name written all over it 
Well..... No. :)
Since.... I don't own it yet. :( Feels all left out now. But it was on my list to try to purchase tomorrow if the comic guy has a copy. If not, it'll have to wait till next week.
Color me curious now!
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For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 03:37:04
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"Eating people is wrong...unless it's on the first date." - Ed Greenwood, GenCon Indy 2006 |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 03:41:20
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Originally posted by Neriandal Freit
I FOUND IT! I FOUND IT! I AM SOOOO GETTING ON MSN!
HAHAH. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 03:42:03
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Any hints Brian? I mean... this is a lot of pages to leaf through..............   |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 03:44:36
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| It's wicked :P |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 04:23:42
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Originally posted by GMJAh
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
To answer what I *think* you're asking... No, the individual entries do not have specific source references, anymore. It makes sense, though, since they are adding entries that had not previously seen print.
Yes, that was what i was asking Thank you for the answer. But imho it would not have hurted to keep the existing references, as those were a big part why the original was such a great reference material.
Well, there's two reasons to not have it:
1) To keep from having some entries with the reference(s), and others not have them
2) To save space for more new entries and lore!  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 04:26:34
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Plus the new entries would have to say something like this:
(Year)
XXXXXX
(Source: look up, we just made it up!) |
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Eremite
Learned Scribe
Singapore
182 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 05:07:15
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I just got this last night and am really impressed with it. Well done Brian and the other scribes!
(At this stage I hate, loathe and detest the view of the future but that could change in a year's time... but the history itself is a masterpiece.) |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 10:09:14
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For Australian Realms fans . . . Grand History of the Realms is apparently scheduled for a release sometime next week.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 12:33:40
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 15:53:27
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
Just incase nobody has noticed, Brian now has an interview up on the WotC site
Old Man,
I posted the link about a day ago in this thread. You're slacking. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 16:15:18
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| There's one thing I'm very not happy to see added to canon in the book : NWN1 Wailing death plague. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 16:16:02
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
Just incase nobody has noticed, Brian now has an interview up on the WotC site
Old Man,
I posted the link about a day ago in this thread. You're slacking. :)
Gack! Someone must have smeared honey on my glasses  mmmmm honeyyyyy |
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GMJAh
Acolyte
Finland
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Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 20:18:35
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Does anyone know anything about when it is released in northern Europe, or more specifically, Scandinavia?
Well, my dealer in Finland said that it just missed this weeks shipment and should be available next week, around wednesday.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 20:32:55
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Still don't have this yet, I'm going on a 'hunt' tonight....
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
No, he got my point: there are two references, 1200 years apart, to the caverns collapsing and forming the Great Rift.
Ah, Okay, I was just trying to rectify the two, because technically Bhaerynden did collapse twice, although the first reference was probably metaphoric.
My bad.
Question: Not having the tome in my hands, are the entries numbered in any way aside from date? I was thinking that it would be a nice little project, either for here or as a web-enhancement for WotC site, to add those refernces back in from Brian's original. Without some way of referring to them without actually reprinting them though is a bit of a conundrum. I'm still trying to figure out if it is at all feasable.
Brian's original work is still the ONLY FR source I reference EVERY SINGLE DAY. Without the source references to go by, half of its value would be lost to me as a historian. I can't begin to tell you how many times a minor historic reference had me re-open old books and discover new treasures hidden therin.
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 22:32:11
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| Looking at my copy, they appear to be by date only. Though there are the 'before and/or after' year references in some of the descriptions (that tell you when the subject came up last or comes up next in the timeline). |
09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
Never, ever read the game books too literally, or make such assumptions that what is omitted cannot be. Bad DM form, that.
And no matter how compelling a picture string theory paints, if it does not accurately describe our universe, it will be no more relevant than an elaborate game of Dungeons and Dragons. --paragraph 1, chapter 9, The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 06:07:54
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Any hints Brian? I mean... this is a lot of pages to leaf through..............
The mulan were not the only peoples to live under the rule of the Imaskar elite. When the western provinces fell to God-Kings and turned to dust, the Empire yet endured secure beyond the high peaks to the east...  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 06:15:48
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Cough . . . -2487 DR Cough . . .
Don't read between the lines if you are still searching . . .
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 06:55:56
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Any hints Brian? I mean... this is a lot of pages to leaf through..............
The mulan were not the only peoples to live under the rule of the Imaskar elite. When the western provinces fell to God-Kings and turned to dust, the Empire yet endured secure beyond the high peaks to the east...
LOL...I don't even have my book yet and you guys are already getting to play the fun games with it!
What nation is it for pity's sake! LOL
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 16:47:59
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Sigh,
The comic guy didn't even know this book was coming out, so I gotta wait till next week.
But Neri filled me in about the entry. Not sure what to say Brian except for thanks. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 17:41:40
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Does anyone know anything about when it is released in northern Europe, or more specifically, Scandinavia?
Well...I've had it for a week |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2007 : 16:00:47
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When you've been waiting for something for ages and have high hopes for it, it's often hard for the thing in question to live up to what you imagine it will be. Fortunately, this not only lives up to my expectations, it exceeds them. It's so densely packed with useful Realmslore I will be coming back to this time and time again. The general format is great and easy to use; the sidebars make for interesting reading; and the monarchs/rulers timelines are a great inclusion. Huge credit to Brian (and Ed, Eric, George, Tom and everyone else who worked on it) - it's a great piece of work.
Just a pity that, as always seems to be the case, a few typos slip through the net. My favourite one is 'Starbrow' that comes out as 'Shardrow', which seems almost too fitting given the events leading towards 4E. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2007 : 16:51:07
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Now that I have it I'm am thoroughly pleased. A few 'anomalies', but otherwise an excellent tome and a fine addition to my collection.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Still don't have this yet, I'm going on a 'hunt' tonight....
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
No, he got my point: there are two references, 1200 years apart, to the caverns collapsing and forming the Great Rift.
Ah, Okay, I was just trying to rectify the two, because technically Bhaerynden did collapse twice, although the first reference was probably metaphoric.
My bad.
Now that I actually have the book, I see what you mean. There is yet another entry for the fall of the Dwarven Kingdom, aside from the two you mentioned.
Sorry, I shouldn't have responded without all the facts. 
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2007 : 23:21:03
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Any hints Brian? I mean... this is a lot of pages to leaf through..............
The mulan were not the only peoples to live under the rule of the Imaskar elite. When the western provinces fell to God-Kings and turned to dust, the Empire yet endured secure beyond the high peaks to the east...
Wow...that is sweet! Now I see how Kara-Tur and the rest of the Realms are connected as far as Imaskar goes...that is pretty cool.
On the whole, I'm really impressed with the GHotR book. I've found several historical notes that are really interesting, but haven't been touched since first being mentioned...cool story-lines could be made out of them.
Kinda torn now...at first blush I thought the Realms needed the Reboot maybe...now I'm not so sure since it's history is so easily referenced! |
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imis999
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 04:24:15
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I liked the expansion of the Imaskar. I have always thought the original human empire needed some love. Really, I thought this was one of the best FR books ever. There are just so many hooks you can take out of a single entry.
Even though I was excited with the book, I did feel sad as I bought it at Borders. For some reason, it felt just like when I bought the last issue of Dragon. I fear this is the last FR game update I will buy.
I stopped buying comic books a decade ago when they went from telling stories to rebooting every couple of years. With the wholesale changes to the Realms, I fear the new Realms is not in this Grand History. I sincerely hope we see the creation of lots of fan based material to support the Forgotten Realms Classic setting if WotC will not support it. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 04:40:34
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I just realized how much better Brian's original was research purposes.
I read something (the thing when the Tuigan frist came to the Wastes), and then a few pages later I went to check the year of the reference and couldn't find it! Why did they do away with all the color coding? Without that and the exact source reference, the product loses half its worth (for a research-monkey like me). The 'date thing' was a nice add, but I really miss tracing a region's history through it's colored entries.
I'm going to have to go out and buy a slew of different colored highliters so I can make this one functional as well. No problem there, since I plan on buying a second copy soon to put away in 'pristine' condition.
Question for Brian (or any other authors) - The stuff about the Shou emigrating from another world was NOT included? Does that mean a little ret-conning might happen (some we wouldn't actually mind)? Just wondering because it makes little sense that the Tuigan came from the east, when the Shou migrated from the west (are they emigrating back and forth or what?)
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11829 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 16:06:54
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Gack! Someone must have smeared honey on my glasses mmmmm honeyyyyy
Well, then quit having "Honey" give you lap dances man. That goes for Cherry and Willow too. |
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Gelcur
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 20:44:38
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I have to start by saying everyone did a great job on this monumental work. I've been reading it since I got my hands on it. Last night I decided to start from the beginning and read it cover to cover.
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Originally posted by Markustay
I read something (the thing when the Tuigan frist came to the Wastes), and then a few pages later I went to check the year of the reference and couldn't find it! Why did they do away with all the color coding? Without that and the exact source reference, the product loses half its worth (for a research-monkey like me). The 'date thing' was a nice add, but I really miss tracing a region's history through it's colored entries.
I have to agree especially with the color coding. The references could have been a end note system so you have a couple of hundred numbers at the end to each book. And for the new content the book could reference itself! =)
I do have a question I have made it about half way through going from cover to cover and so far I have not noticed any spelljammer references directly. I saw talk about space and the story insert about the flying ship. But, and I may be wrong, I thought the Beholders in south crashed a Spelljamming ship there? The line sticks out to me since I think it was the first time I heard of Spelljamming when I read it in Brian's online version a few years back. Is there an official or unofficial ruling on Spelljamming? |
The party come to a town befallen by hysteria
Rogue: So what's in the general store?
DM: What are you looking for?
Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
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A Grand History of the Realms (product)
