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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
 Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 04:47:32
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Got Grand History today... good job Brian/Ed and all the rest! The sidebars are cool. My favorites so far: the gnome child diary and the dwarf spawn musings...  |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 06:46:34
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Wow. I also got my this evening.
It looks very good. The artwork is recycled, but in most cases (warforged not included) it works well. I am impressed. With the sidebars it is a truly topnotch book. You should be very proud of the work. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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AlorinDawn
Learned Scribe
USA
313 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 15:24:43
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Just got my hands on a copy last night. I was impressed with Brian and Ed's work, and as always Kim Mohan's touch is a welcome sight. As stated above the sidebar and are a great addition. It was also nice to see the information on Jammdath (sp) finally get published.
The only detractor is the frikkan recycled artwork, come on WoTFrikkanC.....hire Val Valusek to do some new, fresh line art or something new, for crying out loud, stop taking the cheap ass road and recycling artwork.
Props to you brian and Ed! Well done. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 17:13:28
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Originally posted by AlorinDawn
hire Val Valusek to do some new, fresh line art or something new, for crying out loud, stop taking the cheap ass road and recycling artwork.
Hear, hear! Val Valusek's art was always delightful. Her line art is second only to Larry Elmore's line art.  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 18:09:23
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Brian told us over at WotC boards that the art budget was 'sparse', and it was a choice between new art and quality maps.
Art is pretty, but maps are useful. I think Brian and co. made the correct decision, given what little resources were available. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 18:27:57
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Originally posted by Markustay
Brian told us over at WotC boards that the art budget was 'sparse', and it was a choice between new art and quality maps.
Art is pretty, but maps are useful. I think Brian and co. made the correct decision, given what little resources were available.
It's about time someone gets it right |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
971 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 22:10:27
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Hey, I thought that particularly little contribution of mine got dropped. I was quite fond of it too. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Daviot
I also liked the quote that snuck its way into the credits page, Brian:
"History is a tale of beginnings and endings—often violent—and for the truly wise, it is also a tale of futures. Rarely does one find a history with much of a middle."
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 22:35:00
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After my quick perusal of the "end times," I started this book in earnest. After the first twenty pages or so, I absolutely love this book (not that there was any doubt). The only downside to the whole thing is the number historical "artifacts" that I'm afraid with never be referenced or followed up on ever again, which would be a horrible waste.
This book, and the work that went into it, are why I love the Realms. Thank you to everyone that was a part of this. |
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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
348 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 23:20:51
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I got mine today too! I love it! I knew I would, but it's nice to be proved right (again). Thanks to Brian for all his hard work, and devotion as well as the work of the authors and creators whose work he compiled the data from and those that added and continue to add new lore to our beautiful, wonderful, fantastic Faerun. *sniff*
Anyway, down to business: during a quick perusal I noticed seomthing that I wondered whether Brian (or anyone) could clarify for me - I couldn't find a date for the "Year of Boiling Moats" mentioned on page 46.
Anyone have a complete Roll of Years and fancy checking it?
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 23:35:55
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Originally posted by Na-Gang
I got mine today too! I love it! I knew I would, but it's nice to be proved right (again). Thanks to Brian for all his hard work, and devotion as well as the work of the authors and creators whose work he compiled the data from and those that added and continue to add new lore to our beautiful, wonderful, fantastic Faerun. *sniff*
Anyway, down to business: during a quick perusal I noticed seomthing that I wondered whether Brian (or anyone) could clarify for me - I couldn't find a date for the "Year of Boiling Moats" mentioned on page 46.
Anyone have a complete Roll of Years and fancy checking it?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 00:21:15
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
Irritatingly, I received an email from Amazon this morning to tell me that the publishers have updated the release date to mid October  So it looks like I won't be getting my copy of this tome for a good while yet.
Ouch. I'm still awaiting the opening of my brand spanking new (well, to me) FLGS as it's been closed all week since I've been here due to the owners being on holiday. Fingers crossed I can get my copy on Monday... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 00:34:51
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Okay, I'm confused...
Page 16: quote:
c. -8800 DR
The Great Caverns of Bhaerynden collapse, creating the Great Rift [-9000,-7600]
Page 19: quote:
c. -7600 DR
The drow empire of Telantiwar falls with the collapse of the great cavern of Bhaeryndren. Drow refugees claim lesser caverns to the north, south, east and west of the newly formed Great Rift, establishing cities such as Llurth Dreier, the City of Ooze.
Now, I can buy that the empire struggled and stuck around for 1200 years after the cavern came tumbling down. But, we have two references to it having collapsed, and the second uses the phrase "newly formed" -- which doesn't apply to something 1200 years old.
So what's the deal?  |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 01:42:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Now, I can buy that the empire struggled and stuck around for 1200 years after the cavern came tumbling down. But, we have two references to it having collapsed, and the second uses the phrase "newly formed" -- which doesn't apply to something 1200 years old.
The c.-8800 DR date is from Shining South p. 170. The c.-7600 date comes from Races of Faerûn p. 11. Doesn’t exactly resolve the issue, but that’s where the discrepancy came from. |
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
592 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 02:02:59
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| Just curious: Is there any news about Finder Wyvernspur or the Finderites post 1370 in the book I should know about? Please and Thank you. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 02:32:51
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Originally posted by Foxhelm
Just curious: Is there any news about Finder Wyvernspur or the Finderites post 1370 in the book I should know about? Please and Thank you.
I did not see anything, after a quick scan through 1370 through 1385 |
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
USA
277 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 16:34:58
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I got my copy yesterday and I'm really impressed. I thought the timelines might put me to sleep after a few pages but instead I found I'd read half the book before I decided I really needed to go to bed.
One question. Did the online version Brian initially worked on have the sources for all the entries? I understand not having that included in the published book but it seems likely the information is compiled somewhere. There was so much new stuff here, to me anyway, that I found myself wondering where it all came from.
Even my wife was impressed with the formatting and presentation and she thinks this DnD interest of mine is some sort of relatively benign character flaw. Excellent work Brian. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 17:43:15
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Brian's interview:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4spot/20070921a |
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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
348 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 18:00:18
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 20:44:30
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Originally posted by Kuje
Brian's interview:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4spot/20070921a
A very good interview and quite interesting. And what a nice surprise to learn that the next tome of the Candlekeep Compendium will be released soon.  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 20:52:27
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
The c.-8800 DR date is from Shining South p. 170. The c.-7600 date comes from Races of Faerûn p. 11. Doesn’t exactly resolve the issue, but that’s where the discrepancy came from.
Okay, I think you may have missed Wooly's point.
Bhaerynden was originally a Dwarven Kingdom, and THAT collapsed in -8800 DR.
Telantiwar was Drow Kingdom, and it came into being when they drove the Dwarves out of Bhaerynden. The city and cavern used the same name, so the city was probably destroyed (collapsed), but the cavern remained for the Drow to rebuild in.
In -7600 DR the cavern itself collapsed, exposing the underground realm to sunlight from above, wherein the Drow abandoned the settlement.
Later, the Dwarves returned and created a new kingdom on the spot called The Great Rift.
So, the first reference is to the Dwarven realm and city, while the second is to the cavern itself.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 21:53:31
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| No, he got my point: there are two references, 1200 years apart, to the caverns collapsing and forming the Great Rift. |
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Vanidariaen
Acolyte
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 21:58:12
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| I finally got my copy today. Great work Brian. I love it! Of course I read the last page first which made me sad. But then I started at the beginning and have been completely engrossed ever since. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 00:06:53
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Points to Brian for managing to reference the Candlekeep Compendium in his WotC interview.
More world/web-wide advertising for Candlekeep! |
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GMJAh
Acolyte
Finland
5 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 00:20:52
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Unfortunately my local dealer didnt get the GHotR with this weeks shipment, but im hoping to get my 2 copies next week
As with many other posters, this one book has been the most anticipated in Years(!) for me as i've used the original .PDF version since it's first 'print' and it has been invaluable reference material (and even more so, past time reading) ever since i first discovered it. So, once more, Thank you Brian (and of course, all the other contributors aswell) for all the time and effort you've put into this over the years!
Now, as i dont have my copies yet, i think that i read from somewhere that the references in the dates to the material they originated from, arent in par with the .PDF version. Any truth to this ? (Also havent read the excerpts, as i want to save the whole experience until i open up the real deal  )
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 02:30:01
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Originally posted by GMJAh
Now, as i dont have my copies yet, i think that i read from somewhere that the references in the dates to the material they originated from, arent in par with the .PDF version. Any truth to this ? (Also havent read the excerpts, as i want to save the whole experience until i open up the real deal )
To answer what I *think* you're asking... No, the individual entries do not have specific source references, anymore. It makes sense, though, since they are adding entries that had not previously seen print. |
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GMJAh
Acolyte
Finland
5 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 02:42:05
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
To answer what I *think* you're asking... No, the individual entries do not have specific source references, anymore. It makes sense, though, since they are adding entries that had not previously seen print.
Yes, that was what i was asking Thank you for the answer. But imho it would not have hurted to keep the existing references, as those were a big part why the original was such a great reference material.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 02:49:06
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| I want to know if Kuje has found the 'Easter Egg' I left in the Grand History. Hint: It has his name written all over it |
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A Grand History of the Realms (product)
