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Thanatos
Acolyte
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 Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 08:02:44
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Though I have found some FR books with some mention of Bhaal, it is very vague and obscure. I have trouble finding information on dead gos such as him. I was wondering if anyone had actual knowledge on the dead god?
From what I understand, the majority of Bhaal worshippers either have converted or we're killed by cyricists. So... what about the still-living worshippers? I get very little information...
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"Those the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad! Mad! MAD!" ~ Xzar
"What part of I'm a loner do ye not understand!?" ~ Montaron
"We're all doomed" ~ Xan |
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Thanatos
Acolyte
8 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 08:04:42
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| Also, I forgot to mention, is there any information on him other than that provided by the computer game Baldur's Gate? |
"Those the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad! Mad! MAD!" ~ Xzar
"What part of I'm a loner do ye not understand!?" ~ Montaron
"We're all doomed" ~ Xan |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 11:28:25
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| Well apparently the Freindly Arm inn was once a stronghold for Bhaal's supporters, until a group of Gnomes drove them out. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Mask
Learned Scribe
104 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 11:47:31
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| Bhaal was killed by Cyric (still a mortal then). This is discribed in the "Avatar Trilogy", which you should read if you wish to read up on Bhaal. In the Avatar Trilogy all (human)gods are cast from the heavens by Ao, except for Helm, because the tablets of faith were stolen. Bhaal was killed then, as were Myrkul and Bane. The later has recently been ressurrected (well, he used his son (Iyachtu Xvim) as some kind of breeding place, which he emerged from). Not only were the worshippers of Bhaal hunted down by Cyric (who was made a god and recieved the portfolio murder, which makes him the Lord of Murder), but Bane followers were also killed. I believe Bhaal also played a big part in the Moonshae Isles (series). Also a novel. I could be mistaken though. Haven't read them yet. Anyway, if you want more info on Bhaal I suggest you ask someone else, for this is all I know. |
Nothing is impossible! |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 11:54:06
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| Year but Bhaal could be resporned |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 15:47:59
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Yes, Bhaal indeed had a big impact on the Moonshaes...but I really wasn't crazy about the series...it didn't really capture Bhaal in any way other than as just an omnisceint overlord...emotionless...kinda boring.
However, the Avatar Trilogy gave a GREAT portrayal of the god prior to his death...I highly recommend it.
As far as I know, Bhaal's worshippers are all but extinct...however, like Bane's followers prior to his return, there are most likely several sects running around who refuse to believe that he is dead...ooooh, I think I just came up with a campaign arc.... |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Thanatos
Acolyte
8 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 19:07:30
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I have yet to read the avatar trilogy, I'm still reading a few books from the city series.
So is there a chance that there are still-living, hiding worshippers of Bhaal. Or, trying to resurrect the dead god? Or is that all very unlikely and impossible? |
"Those the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad! Mad! MAD!" ~ Xzar
"What part of I'm a loner do ye not understand!?" ~ Montaron
"We're all doomed" ~ Xan |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 19:14:48
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Nothing is impossible...
With the way things are going...I wouldn't be surprised to see Bhaal have one final little move to make...
I would assume it is pretty hard to keep the former Lord of Murder dead...particularly with the Baldur's Gate games being made into "canon" novels that actually DO affect the Realms now...which means that there really ARE Bhaalspawn running around - this is almost the EXACT same scenario that saw the resurrgence of the dead god Bane, who was reborn through a seed in a member of his progeny.
In fact, I might even count on it. |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 19:24:31
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| A god will never die, look at Saverok. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Thanatos
Acolyte
8 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 19:43:31
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So... if Bane's already ressurected... and Bhaal and Myrkul later become ressurected as well... What would that mean for Cyric? Since he did sort of steal all of their portfolios.
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"Those the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad! Mad! MAD!" ~ Xzar
"What part of I'm a loner do ye not understand!?" ~ Montaron
"We're all doomed" ~ Xan |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 19:55:49
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| Cyric must have been in big trouble. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2002 : 03:51:56
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No, Myrkul is still dead...but Band got back his portfolio (which means the things a god is "of" - as in God of Light, God of Strength, God of Death, etc.) when Cyric went mad...
I suppose that if Cyric loses all of his portfolio, he will cease to be a god...
Of course, I still think that few gods are a match for Cyric. |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2002 : 16:14:21
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I'm not sure it works that way. I thought a god's power came from the number of worshippers that god has, not from what he's god of. Ao doesn't have a portfolio (IIRC) but he's still a god.
I may be wrong though - I'm sure someone will tell me  |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2002 : 19:46:16
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| can a god could be powerful if he defeated other gods? |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2002 : 06:08:24
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Does anyone know what would happen if a god willingly gave away their portfolio? Would they cease to become a god and suddenly exist as a mortal or would they just cease to exist?
Any thoughts...? |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2002 : 11:09:46
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| I don't think any gods would actuarly do that, if they did I think they would become mortal. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Mask
Learned Scribe
104 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2002 : 11:13:20
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| I don't know if you know the story abour Bane, Myrkul and Bhaal becoming gods, but they were handed their godhood by Jergal, who is know a servant of the god of death. After defeating a legion of undead, Bane, Myrkul and Bhaal got to Jergal, who was god of ending or something. His portfolio excisted basically out of Strife, death, murder, hatred, etc. Jergal was willing to gave them his godhood. After that I guess he became the servant of the Lord of the Dead. In books he is described as a seneschal, although I don't know what that means. |
Nothing is impossible! |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2002 : 18:22:57
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That's right...I had forgotten all of that...
According to the 3rd Ed. Faiths and Pantheons book, Jergal is now the "Lord of the End of Everything, Scribe of the Damned, The Pitiless One". However, it does not elude that he was forced into this position or not.....
Thanks. |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2002 : 19:59:37
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| He didn't die though. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2002 : 08:34:06
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I have a question, are all the new gods in 3rd ed. from the old ones being killed, or are they their successors, or is 3rd kinda starting all over from scratch.
I dont play 3rd very much, so I dont know alot about it.
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"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2002 : 13:57:46
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| If a god dies, where dose his soule go. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Halidan
Senior Scribe
USA
470 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2002 : 14:27:12
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quote:
Originally posted by The Great Drizzt
I have a question, are all the new gods in 3rd ed. from the old ones being killed, or are they their successors, or is 3rd kinda starting all over from scratch. I dont play 3rd very much, so I dont know alot about it.
Drizzt,
There really aren't any NEW gods in 3rd edition FR. Bane is an old god - he's been there since the begining of FR with the old grey box set. He died during the Time of Troubles (the in-game event that explained the transition from 1st edition to 2nd edition AD&D rules) but transfered his power to his "son" Iatu Xvim. Xvim was trapped under the sewers of Zhentil Keep at the time, but eventually was freed and eventually became an intermediate god.
In late 2nd edition FR (1371 IIRC), Xvim released the Tyrannt Fog - a magical green fog that covered most of the eastern heartlands. This fog absorbed all of the remaining reminents of Bane's power - including a number of powerful banelich's (undead preists of Bane). This provided him with enough power to advance to a Greater Diety.
Apparently, it also gathered enough of Bane's memories/power/mojo or whatever to release Bane himself. He burst forth from Xvim, killing his "son" and returning to Godhood.
Other than Bane's return, the rest of the Realm's 3E celestial cast and crew remained the same as in late 2E.
Hope this helps, |
"Over the Mountains
Of the Moon
Down the Valley of the Shadow,
Ride, boldly ride,"
The shade replied,
"If you seek for Eldorado!"
Edgar Allen Poe - 1849 |
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2002 : 07:59:02
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.....Ok, well that helped with bane, now how biut the others? like Lloth?
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Halidan
Senior Scribe
USA
470 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2002 : 16:04:55
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quote:
Originally posted by The Great Drizzt ....Ok, well that helped with bane, now how about the others? like Lloth?
Drizzt,
Lloth has probably been around since the begining of FR as well. She was certainly a major presence in 2nd edition FR - check out the 2E book Demi-human Dieties. It has all of the details of her church and the various powers of her priesthood. |
"Over the Mountains
Of the Moon
Down the Valley of the Shadow,
Ride, boldly ride,"
The shade replied,
"If you seek for Eldorado!"
Edgar Allen Poe - 1849 |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2002 : 06:26:39
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Actually, Lloth's story is VERY interesting...
SPOILER.......(sort of...)
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She was originally called Araushnee, and was actually a lover of Correlon Larethian. Upon betraying him, Larethian banished her along with her followers to the Abyss. For more on this little saga, check out Elaine Cunningham's absolutely WONDERFUL novel, Evermeet...it is simply BRILLIANT. |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2002 : 11:18:00
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Wow, now THAT I didnt know! How interesting! I must get on with these 3 simultaneous novels im reading and get onto reading Evermeet 
Ive recently heard a lot of good reports about the Evermeet novel..... anyone care to discuss it at: http://www.candlekeep.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=107
Dont forget to include SPOILER at the beginning of your posts if need be.
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Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2002 : 08:51:00
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Wow, I didnt know that either! I have the second Edition, but where is she in 3rd edition?
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Mask
Learned Scribe
104 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2002 : 09:13:55
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| You should just buy (or download) the Faiths & Pantheons, Drizzt. Nearly every god(dess) is mentioned there. |
Nothing is impossible! |
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2002 : 09:21:22
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I HAVE IT, but she is not mentioned in 3rd edition, or i'm a bearded gnome!
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
1338 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2002 : 09:37:03
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See also another reply to one of your messages. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror to see if you haven't grown a beard
It looks like you're mixing Faiths & Avatars (2e) with Faiths & Pantheons (3e) |
Edited by - Mumadar Ibn Huzal on 01 Oct 2002 09:37:25 |
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2002 : 07:09:00
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DOH! DAMIT!, ok well, looks like I better get some new razorblades and some more shaving cream!
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Bhaal, Lord of Murder, and his followers...
