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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 13 Apr 2006 : 16:25:14
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
2) The 2nd of the trilogy of 2E deity books, Powers & Pantheons, lists Velly’s history. (The other two books in that wonderful trilogy are Faiths & Avatars, and Demihuman Deities. The more recent 3E Faiths & Pantheons is but a pale shadow of the deity trilogy.)
I'll add, it was first mentioned that he was working/wanted to become a deity in Hall of the High King in the back of the book in the adventure hooks section.
Rumor #9... in Appendix 8.
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Apr 2006 : 18:08:58
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That piece of current clack first appeared, without the DM's note, in Polyhedron #55 p. 25.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 06:39:51
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In Tchazzar's case, didn't Tiamat have a behinds the scenes hand (or claw) in his ascention?
As far as Orcus goes, he was a lesser god, was killed by Kiaraunsalee, became the undead creature Tenebrous, then returned to being a demon lord, and that all actually happened back in 2nd Edition.
I have always pictured Velsharoon as attracting the "I'm learning necromancy for power's sake" kind of wizard, the kind that has skelaton man servants in his house, but is just as likely to learn level draining magic, etc. In other words, I don't picture Velsharoon as having as many "raise an undead army and turn the world into the living dead" kind of servants as Orcus has.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Apr 2006 : 17:52:17
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
In Tchazzar's case, didn't Tiamat have a behinds the scenes hand (or claw) in his ascention?
As far as Orcus goes, he was a lesser god, was killed by Kiaraunsalee, became the undead creature Tenebrous, then returned to being a demon lord, and that all actually happened back in 2nd Edition.
Yes, but in his 2e return after all that happened, he was still a deity. Especially in FR until the sourcebooks that came after Faiths & Pantheons changed that. :) |
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Thmpr
Acolyte
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Posted - 13 Jun 2006 : 17:36:15
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Id like to jump in on this topic, if I may, if you look closely you will see a common theam tying all mortal ascensions together. The mortals took up portfolios that reflect their personality as mortals. I think that is were it has to start, a fighter wouldnt take up a wizard type portfolio and so on.
Then the mortal must be a powerful agent for good/evil or law/chaos or the balance of the two.(this woild be were a sponcer would come in)
The mortal must have fought against great odds and won.(this is were the epic Quest would come in)
The mortal should have some sort of following, a group who truly beleve, this in essence would be the hardest part, I think.(this would derive from the first two)
The same formula could be used for achieving "living Sainthood" and/or "Quasi-deiti status", which might be "easier".(Greyhawk has both I think)As a thought I wonder if Chosen should be here too?
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Cyric-The-Insane
Seeker
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Posted - 13 Jun 2006 : 21:56:46
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Oh yes and he can't get anyone in Thay to worship him.
if by "can't get anyone" you mean EVERY red mage who dabbles in Necromancy or any mage attempting to become a lich.. then yes thats pretty accurate..
I guess..
Velsharoon and Kossuth are the two many dieties worshipped in Thay.
Note: Eventually all portfolio's are going to belong to Cyric so I don't see any reason to argue about this. Your just sorting pins from needles.. Hehe |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 13 Jun 2006 : 23:19:30
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 13 Jun 2006 : 23:32:55
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On the Theme or Orcus, The other Scribes are right, no longer is he a Deity, althoug if you Read in BoVD, I think it was Orcus who is still closest to reaching Godhood (again?).
I know little on Velsharoon so I'll remain Mute there.
And Portfolios are tricky things. I myself (after reading up on a great many things) have found One Portfolio once claimed to now have been 'lost in the shuffle' *Grins*. And if I may throw in a side bit of fun, Just to see if I can bait The Sage, This is the Portfolio that's Been Lost in the Deity Shuffle.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jun 2006 : 01:01:04
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Originally posted by The Cardinal
On the Theme or Orcus, The other Scribes are right, no longer is he a Deity, althoug if you Read in BoVD, I think it was Orcus who is still closest to reaching Godhood (again?).
I know little on Velsharoon so I'll remain Mute there.
And Portfolios are tricky things. I myself (after reading up on a great many things) have found One Portfolio once claimed to now have been 'lost in the shuffle' *Grins*. And if I may throw in a side bit of fun, Just to see if I can bait The Sage, This is the Portfolio that's Been Lost in the Deity Shuffle.
*plays Jeopardy music*
Actually, in FR he was a deity until the Player's Guide retconed that out but in 3e's Faiths & Pantheons it lists him as a deity. |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2006 : 01:18:38
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Drat I should have remembered that. I remember looking through Faiths and Panetheons Before I left all My books. Shh don't tell Alaundo I'm slipping   |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jun 2006 : 01:42:39
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Originally posted by The Cardinal
Drat I should have remembered that. I remember looking through Faiths and Panetheons Before I left all My books. Shh don't tell Alaundo I'm slipping
That's okay. :) I forget things sometimes, especially when WOTC changes things repeatedly. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 14 Jun 2006 : 08:28:15
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Originally posted by The Cardinal
Drat I should have remembered that. I remember looking through Faiths and Panetheons Before I left all My books. Shh don't tell Alaundo I'm slipping
 Ahem  I've told ye before, Cardinal... that tome should be read cover to cover, thrice a tenday!   |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 14 Jun 2006 : 16:03:06
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 Gadzooks! He's onto Me!
Yes Oh Mighty Alaundo, I'll be sure to do that as soon as I return to My Lair in the North 
On a side note on how Portfolios are distributed. If it's up for grabs then anyone could statch it if there is a following for it. Unless it's already covered by another deity. (Even then that don't seem to stop some gods from trying to muscle in on another's turf). |
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