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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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 Posted - 15 Apr 2005 : 21:51:46
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| I think that humanity is the greatest threat to Faerun in the long run. |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2005 : 21:55:23
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My vote go to the sarrukhs... I donīt think that they will be so well detalhed in the Serpents Kingdoms only to go to the background again.... or will?!? |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2005 : 05:59:13
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Humanity the greatest threat to faerun? well, is it in terms of
:1)human empire expansion or city expansion?
2)Destruction to Nature?
3)Too many serving in the Zhentarim or the Cult of The Dragon?
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We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2005 : 06:09:47
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Originally posted by Darkheyr
Nether Scrolls: Well, consider what would have happened if the netherese wouldve still had access to the scrolls during the phaerimm conflict. Its very probable that they could have defeated them, or that Karsus wouldntve failed his spell.
Well, that's quite an assumption, isn't it? If the Netherese did still possess the Nether scrolls, they would've been even more arrogant and reckles with their usage of magic. Think about what they had done WITHOUT the scrolls, let alone the powers they would wield with that knowledge. Remember, one glance at a Nether scroll allowed a gnome thief to learn the school of illusion that eventually would spread on to the whole race.
Second, possessing the Nether scroll or not, Karsus would still screw up the spells. The mighty archwizard had underestimated the divinity and powers of a deity, and even possessing the full set of the Nether Scrolls his mortal body would still not be able to hold and control such mighty divine powers. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2005 : 06:15:26
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| another big threat to faerun which I would like to suggest is the phaerimm. Though the Sharn Wall in Anuaroch has a breach that I think is not yet plugged. So it is hard to calculate how many more remain inside the Sharn Wall, plus I suspect that the Sharn Wall may not be the only prison of the phaerimm on the entire continent of Faerun, there may be more hidden uncharted prisons of the phaerimm scattered across Faerun. Excluding the remaining phaerimm in the Sharedim of Evereska and the Myth Drannor phaerimm (about 40 i think), if these possible existing locations of these hidden phaerimm prisons are breached, it would be diificult to chart the numbers of fleeing convicted phaerimm and the damage they will cause. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Defender
Acolyte
24 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2005 : 11:51:52
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| I say the Zhentarim are the greatest threat to all Faerun. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2005 : 13:06:32
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Humanity the greatest threat to faerun? well, is it in terms of
:1)human empire expansion or city expansion?
2)Destruction to Nature?
3)Too many serving in the Zhentarim or the Cult of The Dragon?
Definitely destruction to nature, as well as light(sometimes heavy)xenophobia, a superiority complex, respect for nothing and they breed like rats. |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2005 : 17:23:31
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Studying even ONE nether scroll grants you an entire spellcaster level, and there are FIFTY of them... Catch my drift? ;)
Most likely, with the nether scrolls, Karsus wouldntve had any reason to cast Karsus' Avatar - since the archwizards would have been able to defeat the phaerimm via normal means. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2005 : 18:55:19
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Originally posted by Darkheyr
Studying even ONE nether scroll grants you an entire spellcaster level, and there are FIFTY of them... Catch my drift? ;)
Most likely, with the nether scrolls, Karsus wouldntve had any reason to cast Karsus' Avatar - since the archwizards would have been able to defeat the phaerimm via normal means.
Once again, you are assuming that Karsus would've been able to learn them all. Reading a Nether Scroll isn't as easy as picking up a book and flipping through the pages. It takes a single month of DEDICATED review and study of one SINGLE page of the Nether Scroll to get the bonuses and information. So if you want to learn everything, it means you have to spend 100 months doing pratically nothing except sitting around and reading the scrolls. I don't think Karsus had that luxury of time, considering he rules over an entire enclave plus he had the phaerrim attacks to handle. |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2005 : 23:44:11
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| I'm aware of that. But if they couldn't put that much teamwork together between all the archmages, it's their own darn fault to loose :P |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2005 : 00:10:24
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| What you just said have made my point. It was the Netherese's fault that they "lost", not the elves. So the theft of the Nether Scrolls did not change much then, and in fact actually was helpful to the future of Faerun. |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 03:14:25
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| So waht happens if the nether scrolls also fell into he hands of yje phaerimm? They will be even more powerful and larger a threat than a dracolich. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 05:36:58
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Well, my impression at the end of the Return of the Archwizards was that the phaerimm was now about as large a threat as the Gelatinous Oozes of Undermountain |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 05:46:59
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Well, my impression at the end of the Return of the Archwizards was that the phaerimm was now about as large a threat as the Gelatinous Oozes of Undermountain
The phaerimm have a better union, so they're slightly more of a threat.   |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 06:41:44
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Well pardon me, does the phaerimm have a leader?, is it correct to presume that their War Gather are the main leader of the phaerimm. Also, is it true that phaerimm located in different places tend to sort of have a general dislike of their other kin in other places?
Replies gladly welcomed. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 08:26:31
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Not really. The downfall of Netheril was that they couldn't defeat the phaerimm, so Karsus had to do what he did. Seeing as to how long-lived they were, and the simple fact that the archwizards - or at least a few of them - would have cooperated in such a dire need (I simply assume this given their presumably high intelligence and wisdom scores), they could've studied more than enough of the scrolls, and thus greatly increasing their magical power. Lets assume Karsus reads only 20% of them - thats 10 - and pop, you got yourself a 52th level wizard, not to mention other special abilities from reading entire chapters...
And as far as dracoliches go, they aren't that much more dangerous than a dragon itself... |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 17:24:22
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
Well, my impression at the end of the Return of the Archwizards was that the phaerimm was now about as large a threat as the Gelatinous Oozes of Undermountain
The phaerimm have a better union, so they're slightly more of a threat.
 *gets an image of a group of phaerimm shouting: "The Phaerimm United, Shall Never Be Defeated."* |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4689 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 17:58:11
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Originally posted by Darkheyr
Studying even ONE nether scroll grants you an entire spellcaster level, and there are FIFTY of them... Catch my drift? ;)
Some believe that either it is reading a specific scroll or the first one, that that casting level is gained. The reading of the other 49 (If one has access to them) do not appear to grant additional levels. |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 18:04:45
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| *shrug* THats not how it is worded, though :) |
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Adarin
Acolyte
30 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 11:00:39
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| I think the dark gods such as Cyric and Ixitchul Xvim are the greatest threats to Faerun. |
There will always be parting of ways which is never of your preference. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 11:25:30
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Originally posted by Adarin
I think the dark gods such as Cyric and Ixitchul Xvim are the greatest threats to Faerun.
Iyachtu Xvim isn't much of a threat -- he's dead. He burst apart and Bane came crawling out. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 15:49:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Iyachtu Xvim isn't much of a threat -- he's dead. He burst apart and Bane came crawling out.
Since when has death stopped an FR god from possibly being a threat? After all, he just has to wait until a new FR edition comes out. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 17:55:08
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Iyachtu Xvim isn't much of a threat -- he's dead. He burst apart and Bane came crawling out.
Since when has death stopped an FR god from possibly being a threat? After all, he just has to wait until a new FR edition comes out.
Well, the whole bursting apart thing does seem to limit Xvim's ability to return... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 18:21:20
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, the whole bursting apart thing does seem to limit Xvim's ability to return...
Things once looked bad for Bane too....and I'm firmly convinced it's only a matter of time until Bhaal and Myrkul come back. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 20:17:14
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| It seems to be harder to make gods stay dead than it is to exterminate cockroaches.......... |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 20:40:08
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Originally posted by khorne
It seems to be harder to make gods stay dead than it is to exterminate cockroaches..........
There is a Raid joke here...I just can't think of it right now. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2005 : 01:15:56
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| With LEoF's sections on dead Gods and worshipping them, I find it even more likely that several dead gods will return in the future... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2005 : 03:25:31
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Originally posted by DDH_101
With LEoF's sections on dead Gods and worshipping them, I find it even more likely that several dead gods will return in the future...
Good points. Anyone with theories on which ones might return and be a threat or help with a threat to Faerun? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2005 : 04:30:10
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by DDH_101
With LEoF's sections on dead Gods and worshipping them, I find it even more likely that several dead gods will return in the future...
Good points. Anyone with theories on which ones might return and be a threat or help with a threat to Faerun?
Auppenser is the most likely candidate for a return to prominence...
And Myrkul may not be interested in being a god, but he's still in a good position to stir up trouble... |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2005 : 05:20:58
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| Unless the followers of the dead gods can reach the astral planes where the dead gods bodies are found, they may have an opportunity of bringing them to life. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Worst threat to Faerun?
