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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 15:42:59
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If I had to choose one thing to have I think I would like to get a sourcebook on either the Dalelands - an indepth one, or one on the area around the Sea of Fallen Stars. Both of these places are ripe for adventure, and I know they have been covered before, but I am a glutton for updated information!!
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
1089 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 05:50:24
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Well met
Generally, the structure and feeling of the city intrigues me. I get a much darker feel from the place for some reason. A little otherworldy, in some respects. Mayhaps this has been furthered by a tome I read a good few years ago... Crypt of the Shadowking, I believe.
Anything i partcular that brings the city to thy attention, Sage?
For much the same reasons actually. But also, because it has made a fantastic adventure location in the past -- the players just love walking the streets of the City of a Thousand Spires.
Crypt of the Shadowking probably helped to foster my interest in Iriaebor but also, like you said earlier, the fact that we don't know a great deal about the city is tempting enough...
I haven't gotten around to reading Crypt of the Shadow King yet, but Jeff Grubb's brief description of Iriaebor in "The Devil and Tertius Wands" captured my imagination. Perhaps Ed will provide us some lore in an upcoming Cities of the Realms article. |
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moon of abyss
Acolyte
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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 09:48:56
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a north book ... (yes yes yes!!! :)
a book dedicated to cormyr and sembia region
dalelands book and the north od dalelands. zhentarim region may be...
maztica and kara-tur books |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 11:25:31
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Originally posted by Xysma
I haven't gotten around to reading Crypt of the Shadow King yet, but Jeff Grubb's brief description of Iriaebor in "The Devil and Tertius Wands" captured my imagination. Perhaps Ed will provide us some lore in an upcoming Cities of the Realms article.
Ah, Tertius and Ampi... Both were introduced in the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons comic. I'd like to see more of those two, as well.  |
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
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516 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 13:10:41
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 17:21:17
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Originally posted by Melfius
I did not know that Tertius was in the comic. I will have to find me some o' those!
He was a minor character. He was introduced in the "Catspaw Quartet" story arc, which is when he found Ampi. I think he only had one or two bit appearances after that story arc.
And speaking of the characters from the comics, I'd like to see more of what the crew of the Realms Master has been up to. |
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ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
193 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 22:33:45
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Originally posted by Realmslore
I'd prefer and single sourcebook titled 'The Heartlands' which would encompass The Dalelands, Cormyr, Sembian, and the MoonSea in a single sourcebook ala Unapproachable East and the Shining South.
Hmm.. yes that would be nice. Dargoth's list is also interesting |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2005 : 08:59:04
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Presumably WOTC are sticking with 4 FR products a year
We know that where getting a "General" book, Power of Faerun (name subject to change)
My list for 2006
Power of Faerun
Dalelands regional source book
Moonsea Regional Source book
Cold Lands or Old Empires Regional source book
Yes Im hoping that WOTC will give us 3 Regional source books to make up for the fact where only getting 1 this year
Dargoth, how on Toril could you not wish for a Cormyr accessory, hey? 
That would be on top of my wishing list from the Wizards of the (Sword) Coast for the year 2006, along with a lot of new novels from Elaine, Richard and Ed... |
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jameslt0
Seeker
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Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 21:30:50
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I was hoping for book on Cormanthor that included Dalelands and Elven Court, but a book on the Heartlands would not be that bad. My only problem with a book that covers all is, it is only 160 pgs. The problem is, you have so much material going into that 160 pgs, what will be cut out? If you have a seperate book for Cormanthor, Dalelands and Cormyr is more material per book. Personally, I want as much material on Cormanthor, especially, as I can get. Also, remember that this material in 160 pgs includes feats, spells, prestige classes, etc. If it comes down to more realms for your buck, I want more material. Therefore, I want more books with that material.
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2005 : 00:32:04
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I'm with Dargoth in that I'd like to see more regional accessories. We are overdue a book on the Western Heartlands, there hasn't been a complete one, just Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast and FRA to provide info. There seems to be some interest in both Iriaebor and Berdusk, the former of which I would particularly like to see some more on. I'd be very surprised to see more books covering only a single city, City of Splendours I imagine to be the exception purely because it's Waterdeep. I can't see any other single city selling half as well. So a Western Heartlands book would be my number one choice.
The Dalelands would be next. I for one would not like a general Heartlands book, there is simply to much to squeeze into one book, I'd rather wait (if I must) for individual Dales, Cormyr and Sembia books.
Beyond that I'm not too fussed region wise, but regional sourcebooks are my preference. I'd settle for something similar to Serpernt Kingdoms (but with maps!) and obviously more Volo's guides would be fantastic but I think we're into the realms of pigs and wings for the latter. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Aug 2005 : 02:57:00
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To be honest Cormyr has never really inspired me as a place to run adventures. Its to quiet. Ok this has recently changed with the death of Azoun and the Crown princess and the events in beyond the high road.
However lets compare Cormyr to other regions
Dungeons
Off the top of my head Cormyr only has one real dungeon, the Haunted Halls of Eveningstars and its mostly been cleaned out by the Knights of Myth Drannor.
Compare this to
Dalelands: where youve got the Mines of Tethymar, the Ruins of Myth Drannor
Waterdeep: Has of cause Undermoutain (the Mother of all Dungeons)
The Silver Marches: Has numourous Dungeons and abandeoned strongholds to explore
Threats from the evil races
Cormyr lacks an outside threat (ok theyve got the Goblins but goblins are nucients more than a threat unlike say orcs or Hobgoblins)
Dalelands: Have the Drow and the other evil races living in the Elven forest
Silver marches: Has Orc Hordes and Frot Giant to worry about
Cormyrs a good place if you where running a Role play focused campaign based around intrigue.
I should say I will be running a campaign that starts in Cormyr but the events will be driven by groups outside the region
Getting back to WOTC regional source books I believe we will see one of the following layouts for Cormyr
A combined Dalelands/Cormyr/Sembia source book
A combined Sembia/Cormyr source book.
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patviz2
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 11 Aug 2005 : 06:22:16
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2005 : 14:13:25
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Well, we already have seen:
- a Faerűnian Book of Vile Darkness
- a Faerűnian Book of Exalted Deeds
and we will see:
- a Faerűnian Epic Level Handbook
Following that line, I will be very glad to see:
- a Faerűnian Manual of the Planes/Planar Handbook
- a Faerűnian Oriental Adventures
- a good update in the awesome Cloak & Dagger (with the same team at work!)
- an Old Empires regional sourcebook or a Cold Lands sourcebook |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2005 : 14:37:26
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Following that line, I will be very glad to see:
- a Faerűnian Manual of the Planes/Planar Handbook
I'm not looking to start a repeat of the "debate" over in this scroll, however I will note that I don't particularly find this possibility all that interesting.
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- a Faerűnian Oriental Adventures
If it updates the core Kara-Tur material, then yes... I'm all for it! 
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- a good update in the awesome Cloak & Dagger (with the same team at work!)
Agreed. And it has to have Steven's name on the front  .
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- an Old Empires regional sourcebook or a Cold Lands sourcebook
Focusing on the Demonlands... And Krash has to be heavily involved with it.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2005 : 17:48:42
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
- a Faerűnian Oriental Adventures
- a good update in the awesome Cloak & Dagger (with the same team at work!)
These are things I'd particularly love to see, especially the latter. I've railed more than once over the fact that Cloak & Dagger presented a lot of great opportunities, but was ignored when 3E was inflicted on us. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2005 : 20:49:26
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If it updates the core Kara-Tur material, then yes... I'm all for it!
Yes, but not only update the Kara-Tur material, but update The Horde material, too and, if possible, present to us something new (how the superb work of Ed Bonny in Jhaamdath)
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Agreed. And it has to have Steven's name on the front .
And Sean and Eric too! With greeeeeeat typos! 
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Focusing on the Demonlands... And Krash has to be heavily involved with it.
I agree with you. It´s time for us to see Mr Krashos name coming first of all in one good sourcebook! And the Demonlands is a good sandbox for him...
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2005 : 00:24:01
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Originally posted by patviz2
Since WOTC has Richard Bakers Trilogy set to end in '06 and Ed is working on a Knights of Myth Drannor Trilogy the Dalelands and Cormanthor should be active such that there is a need for a new source book for that Region.
Concurs. Would very much like to see such a book. |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2005 : 17:38:26
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Following that line, I will be very glad to see:
- a Faerűnian Manual of the Planes/Planar Handbook
I'm not looking to start a repeat of the "debate" over in this scroll, however I will note that I don't particularly find this possibility all that interesting.
But Sage, I thought you loved the Planes! I would think that anyone who loved the planes would relish a new book of Faerűnian planar lore!
I know you might prefer to use the Great Wheel in your campaign, but please consider that, while there might be some material that is Great Tree specific in such a book, the vast majority of the text would work equally well in a Great Wheel campain setting. New monsters? Setting neutral. New prestige classes & spells? Setting neutral. Most of the lore concerning the divine realms of the gods? Mostly setting neutral, as most all the realms had a home in the Great Wheel before the cosmology change.
Like you I have no desire at all to start a debate about the merits of the Tree vs. the Wheel, I would just like to point out that I think a Faerűnian Manual of the Planes would have tons of great lore in it that would be equally valuable for someone who ran the Great Wheel cosmology.
Probably 95% of the material would be directly useable by a Great Wheel user. And with the writing talent they would likely put on such a book, I don't see how any lover of planar lore could pass on such an intriguing sourcebook! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2005 : 18:16:24
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| I, for one, would be displeased at the printing of such a book. I've already got all the information I need if I decide to venture into the planes. I'd rather see pagecount devoted to purely Realms stuff, instead of venturing outside the Realms. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2005 : 08:54:36
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I can not see the merit of a planar Realms book at all. The information on the forgotten realms should all be directed at Toril not the planes. A Planar book for Faerun would just be a waste of money as the planes have been well defined.
Of course this may be a way for Hasbro to make more crunchy money by printing a book on the planes, but I would be sad to see one printed.
The change in Cosmology fixed nothing. It was as bad an idea as Mediclorions in the Star Wars movie. I would appreciate never to see this as a separate planar book.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2005 : 16:32:02
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An update on Kara-Tur and The Horde would be welcome indeed.
Such a sourcebook should also include details on Malatra (South Tu`Lung I believe), which was features in the RPGA for several years as The Living Jungle.
I don't think the small nation of Khazari (SW of the dragonwall) has been given much detail in the past.
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If it updates the core Kara-Tur material, then yes... I'm all for it!
Yes, but not only update the Kara-Tur material, but update The Horde material, too and, if possible, present to us something new (how the superb work of Ed Bonny in Jhaamdath)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 01:53:24
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Originally posted by Realmslore
I don't think the small nation of Khazari (SW of the dragonwall) has been given much detail in the past.
Except for its partial focus during the Khahan's early campaigns in the Empires trilogy.
Oh, and Koja's reminisces about Khazari in the short story "Patronage" from the Realms of Valor anthology.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 02:01:09
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Now that AEG has the license back to fully do their Five Rings thing again, it would be nice to see a 3.5 Oriental Adventures that firmly reestablished Kara-Tur as the asian influenced setting for D&D. It always struck me as odd that WOTC licenced out the defaut setting for Asian campaigns while producing the books in house. And the fact the they take a few shots at Kara-Tur in the opening introduction didn't do much to endear it to me either.
I don't think the above is likely however. I have a feeling anything outside of the main continent (with the possible exceptions of the Moonshaes and Evermeet of course), is pretty well going to lie unsupported for a long time to come. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 04:07:49
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Now that AEG has the license back to fully do their Five Rings thing again, it would be nice to see a 3.5 Oriental Adventures that firmly reestablished Kara-Tur as the asian influenced setting for D&D. It always struck me as odd that WOTC licenced out the defaut setting for Asian campaigns while producing the books in house. And the fact the they take a few shots at Kara-Tur in the opening introduction didn't do much to endear it to me either.
I don't think the above is likely however. I have a feeling anything outside of the main continent (with the possible exceptions of the Moonshaes and Evermeet of course), is pretty well going to lie unsupported for a long time to come.
I was bugged by that, too. It didn't make sense for them to use someone else's setting, rather than one produced in-house -- unless it was an attempt to snag some of the Lo5R fans.
And since it's been flat-out stated that they've no plans on returning to the distant reaches (Kara-Tur, Zakhara, etc) of the Realms, at least not any time soon. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 06:41:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I was bugged by that, too. It didn't make sense for them to use someone else's setting, rather than one produced in-house -- unless it was an attempt to snag some of the Lo5R fans.
You have to remember though, that WotC was originally considering adopting the d20 variant for the d6 version of the Lot5R RPG -- something that was ultimately picked up by AEG.
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And since it's been flat-out stated that they've no plans on returning to the distant reaches (Kara-Tur, Zakhara, etc) of the Realms, at least not any time soon.
Indeed. Looks like we'll just have to keep an eye out for these "proposed" Campaign Classics issues of DRAGON that are supposedly said to focus on furthering material for settings that are no-longer continued.
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 08:45:22
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I have been searching for a campaign setting called ZMBAYE. It was an African setting. I was going to place it on that BIG EASTERN most island of toril that they show in the geography section. I am still trying to get a hold of that though.
I actually find it RELEIVING when I find out for certain an area is not going to be developed. It then leaves me free reign on that area without trying to have to fit it into the canon material some how.
That is why my FR books are all marked up. I am constantly crossing out and adding paragraphs in the margin about how the campaign world affects the canon and vice versa.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Aug 2005 : 05:30:58
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Originally posted by Mournblade
I have been searching for a campaign setting called ZMBAYE. It was an African setting. I was going to place it on that BIG EASTERN most island of toril that they show in the geography section. I am still trying to get a hold of that though.
I saw a copy on Ebay a few weeks back Mournblade, although I'm not sure whether it's still there now.
I do have a copy myself and while I have considered adding it to my FR I will say that I get exhausted just by thinking about the amount of effort it would take ot connect this setting in any way with the Realms.
Placing it outside the traditional Realms-sphere though (this being Faerun) has some advantages, since there would be little need to have the two areas relate to each other. Independent cultures, races, and geographical areas could all be raised without any influence from Faerun.
Would you have any link between the two regions Mournblade?
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Aug 2005 : 10:28:16
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
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Originally posted by Mournblade
I have been searching for a campaign setting called ZMBAYE. It was an African setting. I was going to place it on that BIG EASTERN most island of toril that they show in the geography section. I am still trying to get a hold of that though.
I saw a copy on Ebay a few weeks back Mournblade, although I'm not sure whether it's still there now.
I do have a copy myself and while I have considered adding it to my FR I will say that I get exhausted just by thinking about the amount of effort it would take ot connect this setting in any way with the Realms.
Placing it outside the traditional Realms-sphere though (this being Faerun) has some advantages, since there would be little need to have the two areas relate to each other. Independent cultures, races, and geographical areas could all be raised without any influence from Faerun.
Would you have any link between the two regions Mournblade?
Aye m'lady I do indeed!
In the Forgotten Realms Campaign setting 3E, on pg 231 there is a map of Abeir-Toril. TO the far east is a continent that looks a little bit like antartica though it is not a southern cap. I had planned to make this 'Zmbaye'. THere are other continents that would do, but I think this was far enough to be a good basis for the 'DARK CONTINENT'.
Pretty much the connection is merely sailors that have ventured near the island. I pretty much planned ot have it as an independent entity with no interest in Faerun.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 00:33:27
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 01:26:43
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If I may Mournblade, I'd suggest you use the continent south of Maztica instead. Several realms sourcebooks suggest that the native tribes of Chult came from this land, so it would be a perfect 'Dark Continent'.
Hmm I'll have to look at that again and see if it is the right size for the geological differences.
Thank you.
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So what are you hoping for next year?
