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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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 Posted - 21 Apr 2005 : 19:04:49
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Originally posted by Zotiko
Though I haven't yet read Resurrection, based on what I've read so far I believe I've come up with an original interpretation that will make the whole WotSQ series even darker.
Do you believe so far that the series isn't dark enough?
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What if Eilistraee falls to Chaotic Neutral, or even to Chaotic Evil, at the end of the series?
I see nothing of what you mention that would result in such a change.
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First of all, the behavior of the Eilistraeean priestesses:
1) They make use of the "convert or die" method. In both attempts to convert Halisstra, the knowledge that they will kill her hangs over her head if she doesn't.
Because she commited murder on two different occasions. Part of Eilistraee's dogma is "repay violence with swift violence" (Demihuman Deities, p. 15).
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2) They kill innocent people. They murdered Yarno's parents while in a religious frenzy. Admittedly, they were in their werewolf forms at the time, but afterwards their corpses were horribly mutilated and no Atonements were required by Eilistraee to make up for the fact that they had killed (or perhaps sacrificed would be a better description for those hunts) non-evil beings in her name.
Dangerous beasts and monsters is what they were. Werewolfs aren't chaotic evil in beast form? Why do you see an atonment applying here?
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3) They are horribly sexist. This is based primarily on their treatment of Ryld. No priestess makes any attempt to convert him; they either totally ignore him or attack him for his ignorance.
I seem to recall Ryld first attacked them. Moreover, he by his own words in his last appearance within the series admitted "I don't belong with Eilistraee" (Annihilation, p. 301). He clearly expressed that belief in his actions while in the Eilistraee community.
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They also don't permit males in their religious ceremonies. For a church preaching equality of genders, they don't seem to actually believe it.
When did Eilistraee's dogma include "equality of genders?" What is your source for this statement?
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1) She sacrifices not just the life but the immortal soul of one of her priestesses. This of course refers to Seyll. It could be argued that the annihilation was voluntary, but the fact that she was willing to do this to one of her priestesses for a slim chance at killing one of her enemies is morally questionable.
I don't think it can be argued that Seyll's final act is voluntary, I think it's a clear fact. Recall Feliane's words to Halisstra, "She [Syld] didn't choose the Astral, she choose oblivion" for Halisstra and Eilistraee (Annihilation, p. 317).
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2) She Damns Ryld. From previous books, mostly from Salvatore's Exile we learn that non-evil drow, regardless of whom they might have prayed to in life, go to Arvandor (remember Zaknafein anyone?). By that precedence, Ryld shouldn't have been sent to the Demonweb Pits.
Are we reading the same tome? Ryld states in his final scene, "I go to Lolth now" and "I was not able to make a new Ryld. I'm here because I deserve to be." (Annihiliation, p. 301 and 302). He did not worship Eilistraee, Ryld belongs to Lolth by his own words and judgment of his own actions.
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However, the only reason Halisstra gets there in the first place is because she has been unconsciously drawn there by the presence of Ryld's spirit. That leads me to the conclusion that Eilistraee deliberately, and unjustifiedly, Damned Ryld for the express purpose of having a shot at killing Lolth.
No, she gets there because of the power of Eilistraee as Halisstra explains within the novel. She is not drawn to Ryld, he finds her.
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So, in conclusion, Eilistraee and her priestesses appears to have abandoned her principles of redemption and forgiveness for the chance at killing an enemy and increasing her power, all the while staying xenophobic and sexist and killing the weak and innocent whenever it is convenient.
Where did Eilistraee ever mention an increase in power via her actions in this series? Moreover, the last statement is so filled with inflamatory remarks towards the deity and religion that it seems to indicate a dislike of Eilistraee as an FR fan. Is that true? |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 21 Apr 2005 : 19:14:41
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Originally posted by Zotiko
Hello everyone, this is my first time posting here, so please be gentle.
Though I haven't yet read Resurrection, based on what I've read so far I believe I've come up with an original interpretation that will make the whole WotSQ series even darker.
What if Eilistraee falls to Chaotic Neutral, or even to Chaotic Evil, at the end of the series?
That is not posible. Thoug the examples you cite and I will trim appears to indicate that the authores involved might not have understood the message or the religion. quote:
1) They make use of the "convert or die" method. In both attempts to convert Halisstra, the knowledge that they will kill her hangs over her head if she doesn't.
The teaching is to renouce Evil or die, not convert to be a follower of Eilistraee. The difference though can be subtle that it certainly can be convert or die.
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2) They kill innocent people. They murdered Yarno's parents while in a religious frenzy. Admittedly, they were in their werewolf forms at the time, but afterwards their corpses were horribly mutilated and no Atonements were required by Eilistraee to make up for the fact that they had killed (or perhaps sacrificed would be a better description for those hunts) non-evil beings in her name.
I believe I already objected to this if that was the high Hunt. Yup I did in the ask Lisa Smedman section. I did not get a clear answer on this aspect, however some error was admitted to. The hunt for dangerious or evil monsters or creatures is not protrayed as a battle frenzy in the High Hunt. The prestess leads to a danger of the good folk. This hunt never should have occured in manner that it did. Further the bodies of the High Hunt should have been burned and circle dance held for those that are properly and successfully hunted.
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3) They are horribly sexist. This is based primarily on their treatment of Ryld. No priestess makes any attempt to convert him; they either totally ignore him or attack him for his ignorance. They also don't permit males in their religious ceremonies. For a church preaching equality of genders, they don't seem to actually believe it.
Not sure if teach equality, however certainly the message is to be given to all Drow and greater equality exists. Another error on the part of the writer IMO. As for male clergy the F&P write up is silent on the matter it could be inferred that there can be male Clerics Prists. I have sought official ruling on this and have recieved no answer. However there certainly are male Rangers that divine power are granted from the Dark Maiden. quote:
Now, for Eilistraee herself:
More writter error IMO, rest deleted.
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Ethriel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Apr 2005 : 22:09:43
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Hey, Sirius: What's this story with the fan with Elaine and Bob?
And Paul, I want you to know you've never been short of anything but an incredible author and it's been a privilge to read your novels...I'm especially grateful to you for leaving things as open as you did |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Apr 2005 : 02:57:08
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First off Paul!! Your presence here is not an intrusion.It's a pleasure.Don't worry! I plan on reading the book.How could I not?Fortunately for you.You were put in the position of bringing this thing to an end.So obviously you're going to get it .My comments are based on this thread.It's seems for some the ending didn't go as they would have liked.Absolutely understandable.Now if I didn't read this thread,and didn't know Pharaun was killed.Let me tell you I would still have been upset regardless when I finished the book,and my reactions most likely would be the same.Because as SB says.Some folks enjoyed Pharuan with a passion.I am one of them.I don't want to see him go .I do admit that I wanted to see a major change in drow society after this series.Heck I thought there would be.But from what I have read here.There doesn't seem to be.But alas.I have yet to read the final.I will soon though.And I am sure that I'll enjoy it as much as have the other novels of this series.With that I have no doubt....Paul I haven't made any judgements as of yet...I was rambling in my earlier post....But why Paul?Why,did you have to be Pharuan's slayer?????  ..Just kidding....Please,please don't take offense!!!!! |
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Freakboy
Seeker
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Posted - 22 Apr 2005 : 03:36:34
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After having some time to reflect, let me give my impressions of the book and the series in general.
On Ressurection...
This book was a major improvement for me over books IV and V in the series but that is a preference for story telling style and not any inherent flaw in the story itself. I for one did not know how the society of the Drow might change in this series. R.A. Salvatore has said in one or two interviews that I have read that he lamented the loss of mystery that surrounded the Drow because they are so popular. That in my mind made it likely that almost anything could be done with this series. I felt Paul Kemp did a fabulous job weaving the conclusion to this epic. One of the things I like about Paul Kemp's writing is his ability to really make you feel like you are experiencing things that might be hard to imagine otherwise. He does this repeatedly in his Erevis Cale books and numerous times in Resurrection. A couple of moments that stood out as exceptionally well written for me include.
- Alisza and Phauran's Last Meeting
- The arrival of the Klurichir
- The teeming (this was actually creepy enough to make my skin crawl. No small feat I assure you)
- The constant interplay of Quenthel and Danifae. It was subtely sexual and all the more manipulative because of this. I really love how they would make plays on words with each other.
- The Blood Rift. The image of Inthracis standing in Corpsehaven facing the divine presence of Vhaerun was a real highlight. Kemp really brought the hierarchy of the Yugoloths in the Blood Rift to life for me
- His description of the negotiation that takes place in a Planar Ally spell
- The description of House Agrach Dyrr's insides and how complex its defenses were.
- The final conversation between Danifae/Lolth and Halisstra. Very well done.
- The revenge of Nimor. Great to see a half Drow Shadow Dragon go to work with his "God Given" tools.
All in all I give the book a 10/10 and highly recommend that anyone who loves this series get the book as soon as you are able. The conclusion was powerful if not as earth shattering as some wanted. However, I think Lolth's statement about Chaos being what it is really summates well why it is that in this case, the journey is far more important than the destination.
On the series in general....
I believed from the first day that this series would be truely an amazing story. I was not disappointed. I agree with Sirius that the Characters stood out far more than other aspects of the story, but I believe that is a good thing. How easy would it have been to portray every drow noble as just another mindlessly ambitious killer with little depth. These authors really made it evident how each drow can be specially unique and yet how the race as a whole can still exist under the paradigm that is does. I would rate the books as follows.
Dissolution 10/10
Insurrection 10/10
Condemnation 10/10
Extinction 8/10
Annihilation 7/10
Ressurection 10/10
If you don't have it, this series is definately a most own in hard cover and I know that as time goes on I will read it again and again. This has without a doubt been my favorite group of Forgotten Realms Novels EVER and even surpassed Salvatore's Drizzt books for me. I said as much in the thank you thread, but this series really showed me what could be done when WotC and the authors work together to make a truely epic tale. These books gave me the name of my first son (Ryld) and since my daughter is named Liriel, I have gotten both of my children's names from the authors of the Drow. I don't know that we will ever see such an undertaking again, but if we do, the Realms and fantasy fiction will be better for it. If you haven't read this entire series yet, get the books and jump in. There has never been a more brilliantly written, richly developed, expansively explored series of books about Realmsian Drow. There may never be again. Do yourselves a great favor and experience it now. Thanks again to all fellow scribes for sharing the journey and thanks to Richard Byers, Thomas Reid, Richard Baker, Lisa Smedman, Phil Athans and Paul Kemp for all your great work. Lastly thanks R.A. Salvatore for contributing to make this the best Forgotten Realms group of novels ever!!!
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PaulSKemp
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 22 Apr 2005 : 16:53:31
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All,
For anyone interested, a bit of "behind the scenes" type observations regarding Resurrection are posted in the comments section to today's entry on my blog. Swing on by if you're interested, but understand that there are spoilers.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/paulskemp/ |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 22 Apr 2005 : 17:10:33
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Originally posted by PaulSKemp
All,
For anyone interested, a bit of "behind the scenes" type observations regarding Resurrection are posted in the comments section to today's entry on my blog. Swing on by if you're interested, but understand that there are spoilers.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/paulskemp/
Well met
Thank ye Paul. I'll certainly make a note to read over this in due time. Of course, i'm still searching the length and breadth of this land for a copy of the tome itself  |
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EdGentry
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
175 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2005 : 21:12:05
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| Go read Resurrection right now! Get a copy. It's so good! Go Go Go! |
http://www.edgentry.com |
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Votan
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 23 Apr 2005 : 15:06:57
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Originally posted by fulcrum
Pharaun:
Of all the people that should have died, he wasn't it. He was the reason they survived to get to the Demonweb pits. Had he turned his back on the group, they would not have survived. His death was pointless, Quenthal used him and disposed of him like a tool...and the amazing thing was that he didn't see it coming. I did.
I actrually thought that the death of Pharaun was well written. It was telegraphed but up until the exact moment that he got paralyzed it was a ploy on his part to win favor back home. At the very end, the author deals convincingly with both the contingency spell (his loss of temper earlier and revealing it as well as it being targeted at the largest perceived threat) and the situation (in game terms I assume that he was hit with a wounding ttack doing continuing damage and thus needed help or he would bleed to death).
Going back to the Baenre priestess was a gamble (would she find him a useful tool still or not) but he had limited options at that point.
By the end the characters were true to what they began as.
Even the possible resurection of Pharaun would not bother me to much as it was carefully telegraphed as being an idea that Alizza had before (Pharaun was just too much of a Drow to trust her) and she retrieved the appropriate item. In a world with raise dead spells it is not unreasonable that a high level character could return under these conditions.
Anyway, just my thoughts!
[And I think I foudn theright thread this time] :-) |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2005 : 23:59:44
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| Thanks for the info Paul |
LIFE,BIRTH,BLOOD,DOOM---THE HOLE IN THE GROUND IS COMING ROUND SOON----BLS |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 19:01:45
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I really liked this book, though I did feel like the begining drug a bit, and I think that had to do with trying to sum up what had gone before and shoehorn things that got out of hand back into a managable form for Paul to fininsh up in the series.
I was actually quite upset with Hallistra for being so antagonistic toward Elistrae, but I realize she seems to have gone back and forth for the last several books, and on top of that she was blaming Elistrae for her own failings, and she seems to realize that at the end. I do think some of the other authors didn't quite "hit" on how Elistrae or her faith works, but Paul isn't one of them.
I am SO glad that Jeggred is dead! There, I said it. I was sad that Ryld went to Lolth, but he never really embrace Elistrae, never really had strong feelings AGAINST Lolth, and the only other thing that might have happened is that he would have been trapped in the Wall of the Faithless. Either way, no heroic end for Ryld.
I was dissapointed that Pharaun died, but realiztically in drow society and given the odds that they faced, and the situation he was in, it did really make sense that he died. I just look whistfully back on the first book and the "evil Fafhrd and Mouser" like quality that Ryld and Pharaun seemed to share.
And of course Pharaun didn't get his character totally neutralized like Ryld did. In the first book, Ryld was simple, straigt forward, but the whole "Sava master" thing was an allusion to the fact that he was simple and uncomplicated, but not stupid. It made him seem more complex, and the tension at the end when Ryld was mulling over how to deal with Pharaun's treachery was great . . . and never followed up on by any of the other authors.
Pharaun at least was portrayed as intelligent, sarcastic, and irreverant in nearly all the books.
Paul did a really good job wrapping up the series, and I think any short comings came from the overall structure and the foibles of other authors.
Oh, and one more thing. Gromph in this book really makes up for Gromph in the last book. Now I can beleive that he is a worthy Archmage of the city instead of the really powerful yet completely clueless wizard of the Dyrr duel. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 20:02:54
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I was dissapointed that Pharaun died
His death seems to be producing the strongest reaction from fans on multiple messageboards when it comes to the fate of characters within this series' final novel.
Having time to think about his death since completing the novel, I realized there was another aspect regarding Pharaun's death that was fascinating to this scribe.
If I recall correctly, some time ago, a discussion on the Elaine Cunningham thread mentioned the lack of desire from WOTC in publishing a novel that focused on characters from one of her old novels. The way I understood the explanation was that WOTC had a desire to see new characters within upcoming novels rather than old characters. Moreover, there was a belief that with these new characters, WOTC was trying to find the next big thing, a character that would boom in popularity with readers and spawn future novels focusing on this character that WOTC could publish.
Well, based purely from my own observations, I'll contend that Pharaun from the WOTSQ was the closest to acheiving this status. Moreover, I'll put forth that the alternate for this designation could be Ryld.
Intersting then that these were the two characters that perished with the last two novels within this series. Thus, this FR reader is left a bit puzzled.
Is WOTC not really looking for new characters that become popular with fans and spawn future novels about them?
Or is WOTC simply of the mindset that they can simply bring these deceased characters back in a future novel no matter if this plot development has been used before?
Something to think about.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 20:06:32
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Maybe Ryld and Pharaun died because no matter how much the fans like them, a warrior with a smart alek drow sidekick has already been reserved by a certain other author . . .
Though I submit I really loved the interplay between the two in the first book . . . it was just classic. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 20:09:06
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Maybe Ryld and Pharaun died because no matter how much the fans like them, a warrior with a smart alek drow sidekick has already been reserved by a certain other author . . .
You said it...not me. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 20:12:42
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Well, based purely from my own observations, I'll contend that Pharaun from the WOTSQ was the closest to acheiving this status. Moreover, I'll put forth that the alternate for this designation could be Ryld.
Intersting then that these were the two characters that perished with the last two novels within this series. Thus, this FR reader is left a bit puzzled.
Is WOTC not really looking for new characters that become popular with fans and spawn future novels about them?
Or is WOTC simply of the mindset that they can simply bring these deceased characters back in a future novel no matter if this plot development has been used before?
Something to think about.
SB
Well under game rules, it is very hard to prevent the posibility of return to life.
Mr. Kemp explained reason for Pharaun's death the return as a hero would have upset the power base in Mezzo , which means either would have died anyway or have to take out the leading House's power base.
The problem could remain if brought back to life, though having been raised would make Pharaun less a conguring hero and of course to some extent indebted to whomever brought him back to life. As would tend to be a result of anyone raised. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 20:27:19
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Well under game rules, it is very hard to prevent the posibility of return to life.
Yes, but how many times do FR fans need to see a character return from death before such death scenes begin to lose whatever dramatic effect the authors might hope to convey in writing them?
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Mr. Kemp explained reason for Pharaun's death the return as a hero would have upset the power base in Mezzo , which means either would have died anyway or have to take out the leading House's power base.
Yes, I saw Mr. Kemp's explanation regarding Pharaun. I took a particular interest in the following from Mr. Kemp's explanation:
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In my initial conception of the book, Pharaun did not die. But after some internal discussions, we decided that it would make the most sense for him to go out the way he did. Why? Among other things, we figured that his return to Menzoberranzan would likely force Gromph to kill him to keep House Baenre's stranglehold on Sorcere (or Quenthel to kill him after the quest was over but before leaving the Pits). After all, a successful Pharaun returning to Menzoberranzan would bring with him lots of personal prestige/power and lots of prestige/power for House Mizzrym.
I'm curious as to who the "we" is within this story.
Moreover, what I found interesting was what wasn't mentioned in the above quote. I quite agree that Pharaun's return would have led to some type of confrontation with Gromph. Yet, in the above, there is no mention of the possibility that Pharaun might triumph if such event took place. Thus, as I previously noted, it seems there definitely were certain untouchables within this series. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 20:45:53
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I'm curious as to who the "we" is within this story.
This would be interesting to know, I suspect that RAS, WotC editors, perhaps some game design members, maybe even Ed of Greenwood. I also suspect this is covered either under NDA or actual contracts as to how long some characters will live (i.e. a book contact of a character already in place where such a conflict did not occur.).
Perhaps sometime in the future more can be learned, but for now we can only guess. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 20:50:59
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Originally posted by Kentinal
This would be interesting to know, I suspect that RAS, WotC editors, perhaps some game design members, maybe even Ed of Greenwood. I also suspect this is covered either under NDA or actual contracts as to how long some characters will live (i.e. a book contact of a character already in place where such a conflict did not occur.).
Perhaps sometime in the future more can be learned, but for now we can only guess.
Well, if I recall correctly...
R.A. Salvatore was the Consulting Editor for the series.
Philip Athans was the Editor for the series.
Thus, I'd surmise that the "we" involves one or both of these gentlemen along with Mr. Kemp.
As to character life being in a contract...I'd be surprised at such an inclusion. However, after recently listening again to Mr. Salvatore's Mortality Radio Interview, I'm left with an even firmer impression that he would have no desire to see Gromph perish in a novel or suffer a loss of status. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 21:00:34
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I'm sorry Sirius . . . I feel like a bad influence now, lol.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 21:01:10
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I'm sorry Sirius . . . I feel like a bad influence now, lol.
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 21:13:56
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| Just that the interveiw came up when we were discussing Forsaken House and the lack of RAS characters in the Silver Marches. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 21:34:31
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Just that the interveiw came up when we were discussing Forsaken House and the lack of RAS characters in the Silver Marches.
Yes, but that's a good thing. I wouldn't have listened to it again if you hadn't mentioned it. So, you see, give yourself a pat on the back.  |
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Lameth
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 23:44:38
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The finale wasn`t good.
I thought of a BIG BOOM BANG at the end of Novel 6.
But there were only the three females.....no other God...no other drow from other worlds...
Why should Lolth become a greater goddess? So many Drow died in the chaos she made and so many drow (males) lost the respect for Lolth. |
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Ethriel
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 02:18:48
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I know I sound hypocritical, but I actually REALLY hope Pharaun returns somehow in another role, along with Aliisza. In truth, Pharaun was my favorite character out of the entire FR series and as much as I generally hate the ressurections and rivals, I know Paul left his end open and his return is not impossible...it's even probable.
I actually greatly hope to see him return one day, with Ryld...the witty and jaunty wizard and his stoic compatriot...the closest things to friends Drow ever had...the knowledge tt was over even instilled in Pharaun a moment of loss as I'm sure Ryld's death did. I do hope we'll see these two again one day, if only to compensate for their ends.. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 02:52:10
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Originally posted by Lameth
Why should Lolth become a greater goddess? So many Drow died in the chaos she made and so many drow (males) lost the respect for Lolth.
Are you looking for a reason via published rules or any explanation/reason? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 02:55:40
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Originally posted by Ethriel
I actually greatly hope to see him return one day, with Ryld...the witty and jaunty wizard and his stoic compatriot...the closest things to friends Drow ever had...the knowledge tt was over even instilled in Pharaun a moment of loss as I'm sure Ryld's death did. I do hope we'll see these two again one day, if only to compensate for their ends..
And to that I ask....why should any FR fan show any interest in a book that would feature these two characters if they return from the dead?
I mean image a novel where Pharaun and Ryld have returned from death and now must face a new enemy while on a dangerous quest. Where's the dramatic tension? After all if they die, we'll just bring them back in the next book. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 04:26:36
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| Some Resurrection wallpapers have been posted at the WOTC site. |
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Freakboy
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 14:06:55
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| Hey Sirius, do you know if they ever did a wallpaper for Annihilation? I found a screensaver, but when I tried to download it it said the file was corrupted. Couldn't find an Annihilation screensaver. Just checking to see if you knew. Thanks. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 14:21:44
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Originally posted by Freakboy
Hey Sirius, do you know if they ever did a wallpaper for Annihilation? I found a screensaver, but when I tried to download it it said the file was corrupted. Couldn't find an Annihilation screensaver. Just checking to see if you knew. Thanks.
No. After doing a search within Candlekeep scrolls and checking out this page, I don't think a wallpaper was done for that novel. A pity too as I think that cover image along with Extinction represent the two best pieces of cover art for the series. I wish Brom would put them up for sale as prints or posters.
For those scribes who are interested in the screensaver for Annihilation, it can be found here. This is the first time I've heard of the file being corrupted.
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Edited by - SiriusBlack on 28 Apr 2005 14:23:21 |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Apr 2005 : 14:37:31
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Upon reading the last dozen posts, I've come to a realization: I would have been willing to read more drow novels with Pharaun. With Gromph and/or the rest of the Baenres (particularly Quenthel), though, I would retch.
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In my initial conception of the book, Pharaun did not die. But after some internal discussions, we decided that it would make the most sense for him to go out the way he did. Why? Among other things, we figured that his return to Menzoberranzan would likely force Gromph to kill him to keep House Baenre's stranglehold on Sorcere (or Quenthel to kill him after the quest was over but before leaving the Pits). After all, a successful Pharaun returning to Menzoberranzan would bring with him lots of personal prestige/power and lots of prestige/power for House Mizzrym.
Well, I for one am very tired of House Baenre's stranglehold on power in Menzoberranzan - that's one thing I was truly hoping would change in WotSQ. Maybe not with the First House overthrown, but at least that a potential rival for power would have emerged by the series' end. Pharaun returning as a conquering hero, so to speak, would have provided great opportunities for dramatic tension in that direction.
I guess I'm just naive. SiriusBlack was right - there was no way a sacred cow like House Baenre's dominance over Menzoberranzan would be hurt by this series. (To those who might want to sell me a complete set of Nether Scrolls, though - I'm not that naive. ) |
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Resurrection (WotSQ #6) - SPOILERS
