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SiriusBlack
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 Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 05:08:10
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Originally posted by SirUrza
All over 3.5, particularly in Forgotten Realms, you have reference to other hardcovers telling you "we want you to spend another $35 to get this updated material you originally had" as well as changes that went well beyond tweakage and improvement.
Kinda funny how that worked out isn't it? |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 05:40:46
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Kinda funny how that worked out isn't it?
What sickens me the most if what they did to the region system.
There are 2 things they could have done..
1) Yes certain feats are available to all PCs. HOWEVER, this is the forgotten realms and here, these feats are only available at these locations.
2) If you wish to make these feats available to all PCs, here is a list of feats you may use instead.
Both coulda been eratta/faq in the PDF.
I won't get into not reprinting certain prestige classes in the Player's Guide.
The only thing I really have liked is that a lot of the prestige classes have been changed over to the +1 spellcaster level instead of their own spell list. However, for some classes that means they've also lost certain things, like bonus feats. So it's a trade off, but one I accept for the sake of balance. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 06:45:40
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| I think I'd have liked option two. The regional feat system is, if not completely broken, then at least cracked in several places. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Dec 2004 : 18:54:58
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I think I'd have liked option two. The regional feat system is, if not completely broken, then at least cracked in several places.
I prefer option 1. Certain feats were designed for the Realms and for certain regions. Just because core D&D adopts them, that didn't mean the Realms itself had to change. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 23 Dec 2004 : 05:36:10
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| Actually, the feats are just fine, most of them. It's mainly the system that needs fixing. There's a scroll about this under the piles here someplace . . . it got abandoned mainly because no one had any ideas, and because there was a little misunderstanding between me and another member that was a bit of a conversation-stopper. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 23 Dec 2004 : 07:39:56
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I think I'd have liked option two. The regional feat system is, if not completely broken, then at least cracked in several places.
With that, I can agree.
Of course, there are some truly hearty attempts by some third-party publishers to fix those cracks... but they're mainly patches. I'm of the view that the entire system needs to be reworked.
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Dec 2004 : 23:19:39
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I think I'd have liked option two. The regional feat system is, if not completely broken, then at least cracked in several places.
With that, I can agree.
Of course, there are some truly hearty attempts by some third-party publishers to fix those cracks... but they're mainly patches. I'm of the view that the entire system needs to be reworked.
I thought it was fine how it was, but that's just me. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Dec 2004 : 00:13:22
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I think I'd have liked option two. The regional feat system is, if not completely broken, then at least cracked in several places.
With that, I can agree.
Of course, there are some truly hearty attempts by some third-party publishers to fix those cracks... but they're mainly patches. I'm of the view that the entire system needs to be reworked.
I thought it was fine how it was, but that's just me.
I naever had a problem with it, save for the fact that a few feats should remain available after first level... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 24 Dec 2004 : 15:44:36
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I think I'd have liked option two. The regional feat system is, if not completely broken, then at least cracked in several places.
With that, I can agree.
Of course, there are some truly hearty attempts by some third-party publishers to fix those cracks... but they're mainly patches. I'm of the view that the entire system needs to be reworked.
I thought it was fine how it was, but that's just me.
I naever had a problem with it, save for the fact that a few feats should remain available after first level...
Oh? Which ones are you thinking about, Wooly?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Dec 2004 : 17:03:56
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I naever had a problem with it, save for the fact that a few feats should remain available after first level...
Oh? Which ones are you thinking about, Wooly?
Let's see... Flipping thru the book, and not looking at the errata to see what ones were changed...
Axethrower, Blooded, Discipline, Dreadful Wrath, Fearless, Fleet of Foot, Forester, Furious Charge, Knifefighter, Saddleback, Silver Palm, Smooth Talk, Street Smart, Surefooted, Survivor, Thug, Tireless, Treetopper, Twin Sword Style
That's just a quick list. And don't get me wrong, I'd not just hand those feats out willy-nilly. But I don't see why some of them could not be learned at a time after first level, provided that the person learning such a feat has either been immersed in the right environ (i.e., spending several months living on the streets to learn Street Smart) or has someone who can adequately train them (Knifefighter, Twin Sword Style, etc). |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Dec 2004 : 09:50:29
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Not to mention add several more prerequisites. Like a high Strength for Axthrower and Furious Charge, and a high Dexterity for Fleet of Foot and Knifefighter.
This is actually one of the "broken" bits I was talking about. I can understand giving powerful feats at first level, but they have to be feats that have some reasoning behind why they can only be taken at first level.
The lower end of the believablity scale is a third party feat called University, which Jack Archer has. It gives +3 Knowledge-only skill points at odd-numbered levels. Powerful, so it goes at first level. And it just barely passes the test, because it involves the idea that the character has spent a long time learning and has enjoyed it, all during formative years; it isn't something that a person can just pick up between dungeon visits. It's a lot easier to learn how to use martial weapons (the result of the Militia feat), particularly since that would already be a part of taking certain class levels (which you can take during downtime). |
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Darth KTrava
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jan 2005 : 20:12:49
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Complete Adventurer: Not sure. I'd have to thumb thru a copy first.
Races of the Wild: Dunno. Haven't bought any of the other races books...
Lost Empires of Faerûn: Our FR DM will buy this one for sure!
Sandstorm: Probably won't get.
Codex Anathema: No idea.
Dungeon Master’s Guide II: Only if it has anything regarding magic stuff (the only reason I bout DMG I.
Weapons of Legacy: Maybe after thumbing thru first.
City of Splendors: Waterdeep: My FR DM will get this one!
Maelstrom: See Sandstorm.
Champions of Ruin: Probably not.
Battlefield Adventures: ::shrug::
I have very limited cash to buy books with at their pricing. And the occasional minis purchase...
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Jan 2005 : 20:23:25
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Complete Adventurer: Not as good as the other Complete books, but got it to complete  the set.
Races of the Wild: Looks to have potential, will need to look at it first. Races of Destiny was a bomb as far as I was concerned.
Lost Empires of Faerûn: FR book will get it.
Sandstorm: Got Frostburn wasn't bad, will take a look at it, and most likely get it.
Codex Anathema: Draconomicon was good, Libris Mortis could have been better, will have to take a look at it.
Dungeon Master’s Guide II: Will need to take a look at it.
Weapons of Legacy: Not sure what this is at this time.
City of Splendors: Waterdeep: FR book, will get it.
Maelstrom: See Sandstorm.
Champions of Ruin: FR book, will get it.
Battlefield Adventures: Not sure what this is at this time.
Unless the book is a total bomb to me (Ghostwalk and Races of Destiny) pretty much any official book for D&D I will get, since I am one of the DMs for my group and always good to have an ace, that the players don't know about |
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The Sage
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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1695 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2005 : 20:22:49
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Unless the book is a total bomb to me (Ghostwalk...
You didn't like Monte Cook's work on Ghostwalk?
From what I have seen of it when I thumbed through it, didn't seem that interesting to me.
I will eventually obtain it, just I don't need another world that won't be used at this time.
Plus with it being a 3.0E book, means there will most likely be a number of broken things in there. Not to say that 3.5E doesn't have broken things, but they tend to appear less often or aren't as blatant. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Jan 2005 : 04:37:47
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by warlockco
Unless the book is a total bomb to me (Ghostwalk...
You didn't like Monte Cook's work on Ghostwalk?
From what I have seen of it when I thumbed through it, didn't seem that interesting to me.
I suppose you really have to be a fan of Monte's previous "planar-themed" works to find something like this interesting. That's understandable.
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I will eventually obtain it, just I don't need another world that won't be used at this time.
That's actually the magic of the setting. It's not strictly another world in the traditional sense. With a little tinkering, it could be made to fit into the more expansive Realms cosmology. As part of the Fugue Plane for example...
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Plus with it being a 3.0E book, means there will most likely be a number of broken things in there.
Ah.
I didn't really buy it for the mechanics. I mainly purchased the tome, firstly because it's Monte's work, and secondly, the "fluff" material is rather expansive.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jan 2005 : 05:22:37
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| As reported by ENWorld, WOTC has posted the cover of Lord of Madness: The Book of Aberrations (previously known as Codex Anathema). |
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warlockco
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jan 2005 : 07:02:16
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Nice, can't wait to get a look at it. Hopefully it will be more like Draconomicon than Libris Mortis.
It is a striking cover that caught my eye. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Jan 2005 : 11:24:09
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by warlockco
Nice, can't wait to get a look at it. Hopefully it will be more like Draconomicon than Libris Mortis.
It is a striking cover that caught my eye.
It is indeed a striking cover... For once, I kinda like the artwork.  |
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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Jan 2005 : 12:14:33
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
As reported by ENWorld, WOTC has posted the cover of Lord of Madness: The Book of Aberrations (previously known as Codex Anathema).
I'm not as excited about this tome now, as I once was. There's apparently been some discussion on a number of message boards (EN World and WotC) that suggests that most of the material in this tome that relates to illithid and beholder kin is simply and mostly a rehash of previous source information.
If this is true, it certainly erodes a little of my belief that we were to receive some significant new details on both aberration races.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jan 2005 : 16:35:41
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'm not as excited about this tome now, as I once was. There's apparently been some discussion on a number of message boards (EN World and WotC) that suggests that most of the material in this tome that relates to illithid and beholder kin is simply and mostly a rehash of previous source information.
Sorry to hear that for you as I recall you being excited about the tome. Wait til you talk to someone with the tome in their hand as perhaps the message boards are wrong. But, I would not be surprised if the rehash news is indeed true. |
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Wooly Rupert
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Jan 2005 : 08:24:52
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'm not as excited about this tome now, as I once was. There's apparently been some discussion on a number of message boards (EN World and WotC) that suggests that most of the material in this tome that relates to illithid and beholder kin is simply and mostly a rehash of previous source information.
Sorry to hear that for you as I recall you being excited about the tome. Wait til you talk to someone with the tome in their hand as perhaps the message boards are wrong. But, I would not be surprised if the rehash news is indeed true.
I'm not even entirely sure that I'll bother purchasing it. Now.
As it is, I already have a vast trove of lore on the various races of aberration. And that serves me rather well when it comes to campaign composition. If there's little to attract those who've collected various materials in the past, what is the point?
I'll likely hold back on a complete decision until, as you say, I've spoken to one of my fellow PS fans who will likely pick up the tome. These are opinions that I can (moderately  ) trust as factual (most of the time )...
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 03 Feb 2005 : 18:27:59
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ENWorld had the following information posted today about Battlefield Adventures
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Andy Collins posted this information on Battlefield Adventures on his forums (thanks to MerricB for the sccop):
I'm not going to go into a lot of detail--that's what the D&D website is for--but I'll try to explain what the general purpose of this book (and the genre series) is.
Battlefield Adventures is not about running army vs. army conflicts, but rather about running a D&D game that features warfare as a significant theme of the game.
That's the goal of the genre series (of which this is the first): to provide a DM with the information he needs to incorporate a particular genre or campaign "flavor" into his game.
Think of it this way: This book won't give you the rules to mimic the activities of every single orc and archer in the Battle for Helm's Deep, but it will let you run all the interesting encounters featuring Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli (aka the player characters), and it'll let you build warfare-minded characters like Eomer.
Battlefield Adventures isn't really like any other book that we've done in the past. My best comparison would be to Frostburn, not in terms of subject matter but in terms of exploring and expanding a concept of the D&D universe so that DMs can focus on it in their games.
I led development on this book, and I think it's got some really interesting ideas for DMs who've wanted to include warfare in their campaigns but have been leery of going "whole hog" and running mass battle encounters.
(If you're looking for a system for mass combat, I advise that you check out the Miniatures Handbook.)
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EvilKnight
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Feb 2005 : 20:00:21
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
ENWorld had the following information posted today about Battlefield Adventures
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I wonder how it would compare with Skip William's Cry Havoc(http://www.montecook.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?mpress_Havoc_TOC)?
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 04:30:03
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| Sounds like another book 80% of the PLAYER base will pass on. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 15:40:41
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For those interested in Sandstorm, WOTC has Desktop Wallpapers and a Screensaver featuring some art from the tome now available.
Anyone purchasing this tome?
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 17:50:08
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
For those interested in Sandstorm, WOTC has Desktop Wallpapers and a Screensaver featuring some art from the tome now available.
Anyone purchasing this tome?
I will be. :) Just like I did for the arctic one. There are many places in FR where both can be used. The Glacier, for Frostburn. Anauroch, Calimshan, Zakhara, for Sandstorm. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 : 18:21:16
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Originally posted by kuje31
I will be. :) Just like I did for the arctic one.
How was Frostburn? I'm still reading through Races of the Wild and I'm pretty impressed so far. I'm about 30 pages in and I haven't seen a Prestige class yet. It surprised me so much, that I worry I got some defective copy. |
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So how will WOTC do out of your back pocket in 05?
