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Originally posted by webmanus

Hi Eric,

Maybe, you could help me here ... is Tlinthar Regheriad of the Order of the Aster, the leader of all members all across Faerūn? Thus the Order of the Aster have a total of 80 members, Faerūn acorss? Or is the information in the book only valid for Waterdeep?

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Originally posted by Dargoth

Interesting little tit bit.

Under the Malchors (a Cleric of Cyric) write up in CoS it says that he stays away from Darkhold because it has fallen increasingly under Banite control.

Looks like the Cyricists are likely to be kicked out of the Zhentarim all together. Darkhold was the most powerful and important position the Cyriists controlled and now it seems the Banites are likely to get it back

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Originally posted by Foxhelm

About those Harpers who are not of the fraction that follow the Twilight Trio (Bran and Friends), what is the situation with them in the city? Do they gather at the Harper Holdfast or are the banished by magic? If banished, do they have another location where they collect?

And has there been conflicts between the Trio group and the Normal group?

Thanks.

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Originally posted by Foxhelm

Well, that's okay for the Moonstars...

But I was refering to the Third fraction of the harpers. Ones who do not agree with the Trio, yet have not jointed the Moonstars. Ones that are willing to judge a person on their character and their goodness. Those that would lok at Khelban's past history and try to dig deeper in his action than Bran did who only saw the deal with Fzoul and the Sceptor's Theft as evil and not as why.

Those like Elminster. Who might be able to work with the Moonstars, yet remain in the Harper's camp.

I was talking about them and their conflict with the Twilight Trio's witch hunt. Remember, the Trio question the motives of Elminster, Storm and the rest as they are "close" to Khelban.

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Originally posted by Foxhelm


I was talking about them and their conflict with the Twilight Trio's witch hunt. Remember, the Trio question the motives of Elminster, Storm and the rest as they are "close" to Khelban.

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Originally posted by Foxhelm

Well, that's okay for the Moonstars...

But I was refering to the Third fraction of the harpers. Ones who do not agree with the Trio, yet have not jointed the Moonstars. Ones that are willing to judge a person on their character and their goodness. Those that would lok at Khelban's past history and try to dig deeper in his action than Bran did who only saw the deal with Fzoul and the Sceptor's Theft as evil and not as why.

Those like Elminster. Who might be able to work with the Moonstars, yet remain in the Harper's camp.

I was talking about them and their conflict with the Twilight Trio's witch hunt. Remember, the Trio question the motives of Elminster, Storm and the rest as they are "close" to Khelban.

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Originally posted by Foxhelm

I was talking about them and their conflict with the Twilight Trio's witch hunt. Remember, the Trio question the motives of Elminster, Storm and the rest as they are "close" to Khelban.

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This twilight trio seems to have the intellectual capacity of a braindead goblin.

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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane

Just a question - What's up with Khelben "Ravenscloak" and Khelben "Blackstaff" - where is Ravenscloak now and was he ok with his uncle just kind of usurping his whole identity, then ever so no subtly going back to his old habits? Just a bit strange, you know.

C-Fb

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Originally posted by The Simbul

The Tel'Teukiira Badge that allows access to the Silver Safehold doesnt seem to have any restrictions on who can use it.

What would stop a Zhentarim Spy who assasinated a Moonstar from using the Badge to access to the Silver Safehold and kill people within or steal valueable magic items or artifacts? Usually specific magic items can have intermittent functioning keyed to certain types of characters, or only work for people of a certain alignment. But the badge seems to work for everyone.

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Originally posted by Steven Schend

While Khelben made it with the help of (a group whose name has just fled my brain), no records on its construction exist except, perhaps, in Khelben's private library (which only 9 apprentices, Khelben, and Elminster have seen in 400 years and is only reachable through the Tower but is not in the Tower per se....).

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Originally posted by The Simbul

The Tel'Teukiira Badge that allows access to the Silver Safehold doesnt seem to have any restrictions on who can use it.

What would stop a Zhentarim Spy who assasinated a Moonstar from using the Badge to access to the Silver Safehold and kill people within or steal valueable magic items or artifacts? Usually specific magic items can have intermittent functioning keyed to certain types of characters, or only work for people of a certain alignment. But the badge seems to work for everyone.

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Just having the badge isn't enough. If you don't know the proper words/incantations/passwords, you don't get in.

Also, NO ONE outside of the Tel'teukiira KNOWS of the existence of the Silver Safehold anymore. While Khelben made it with the help of (a group whose name has just fled my brain), no records on its construction exist except, perhaps, in Khelben's private library (which only 9 apprentices, Khelben, and Elminster have seen in 400 years and is only reachable through the Tower but is not in the Tower per se....).

Thus, if you don't know something exists, how do you know to look for it?

Clear as mud?

Love to chat more on this, but let's keep this on the book; continue Silverstars chatting over in my lil' folder...

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Originally posted by The Simbul

The Tel'Teukiira Badge that allows access to the Silver Safehold doesnt seem to have any restrictions on who can use it.

What would stop a Zhentarim Spy who assasinated a Moonstar from using the Badge to access to the Silver Safehold and kill people within or steal valueable magic items or artifacts? Usually specific magic items can have intermittent functioning keyed to certain types of characters, or only work for people of a certain alignment. But the badge seems to work for everyone.

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Just having the badge isn't enough. If you don't know the proper words/incantations/passwords, you don't get in.

Also, NO ONE outside of the Tel'teukiira KNOWS of the existence of the Silver Safehold anymore. While Khelben made it with the help of (a group whose name has just fled my brain), no records on its construction exist except, perhaps, in Khelben's private library (which only 9 apprentices, Khelben, and Elminster have seen in 400 years and is only reachable through the Tower but is not in the Tower per se....).

Thus, if you don't know something exists, how do you know to look for it?

Clear as mud?

Love to chat more on this, but let's keep this on the book; continue Silverstars chatting over in my lil' folder...

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I don't have the book yet (power steering repair or new book? power steering repair or new book? ... hmmm....), so much of this discussion has been "clear as mud" to me, but I seem to recall that Khelben's tower library was visited for a greater or lesser period of time in 1358 DR by Midnight, Kelemvor, Cyric, Myrkul, and probably a few zombie types whose observations may have been subsequently scanned by one or more other interested parties (Velsharoon springs to mind). Myrkul, at least, seems to have explored a bit while there (as opposed to just running up and down the stairs), so might he have accessed Khelben's "private" library, and if so, what might he have been able to glean in the ten or twenty minutes he was alone there?

"My" Waterdeep is almost totally dependent upon 2E material. Does City of Splendors deal with all of those who were resident c. 1357 and update their resumes to 1370-whatever?

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(snipping of much repetitious material to avoid being rapped across the knuckles for cluttering up the scroll)

Khelben's a "wheels within wheels" kinda guy.

Thus, there's the physical library in Blackstaff Tower, accessible to all apprentices, visitors, and general guests.

Then there's the libraries accessed only by senior staff/apprentices and archmages with "the need to know" and the proper command words to reach that library from the tower.

And then, known only to the very few, is Khelben's truly private library, which has never been seen before (or at least it won't be until next July) in print but contains his most rare secrets and tomes and is only reachable from the central stairs of Blackstaff Tower but is not physically inside of Blackstaff Tower.

After all, if we relied on the maps of the Tower that existed in the past, how in the Nine Hells could they even have 6 apprentices on hand, let along the dozens usually talked about? There's no room for them unless you assume there are extradimensional levels to the Tower unmapped and kept secret from outsiders....

Doubt the mud's any clearer now, but that's my morning take on Blackstaff Tower.

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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
The mud is becoming pelucid! Volo said that the secret of creating extradimensional strongholds was lost, but I have often wondered about the lack of normal amenities in the towers of mighty wizards. (What? Not a single garderobe nor bedroom armoire?!) Obviously the secret is less lost than Volo believes. I look forward to That-Which-is-Coming-in-July, whatever it might be.

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[Khelben shimmers into your view....]
"Of COURSE that's what we tell Volothamp Geddarm. The insolent twit can't keep his mouth shut, so we're to tell him actual truths? We be not fools, kind sir.

Volo seeks things to garner fame or to buy himself out of his latest mishap...and that is reason enough to keep certain subjects locked away from his attentions. If he believes them lost, he'll not waste time looking for them. Thankfully, Master Geddarm may be long away from the Sword Coast, as I'd managed to pique his interest in exploring Myth Nantar and the Inner Sea. Mayhaps Jorunhast can keep him busier...

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Originally posted by Gerath Hoan

I went back to my 2nd Ed sources, of which i can only remember Code of the Harpers describing Mintiper. And yet whilst his old stats most resemble the simple option of the COS write-up, his history is colourful (and carefully worded) enough that the second, from LEOF, could also hold true.

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