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king-tiax
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Oct 2002 :  17:03:44  Show Profile  Visit king-tiax's Homepage Send king-tiax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Was there a type of lizardman in the four, and if so\not what other races were there.

My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.

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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 02 Oct 2002 :  17:44:41  Show Profile Send Mumadar Ibn Huzal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Again if memory serves correct, there was a type of lizardfolk as one of the four races. I've taken a quick look at the Realms FAQ on the Candlekeep pages, but couldn't find a reference. I don't know the full four from the top of my head. It is one of the more obscure details of Realms Lore (and should remain as such )

An non-exhaustive answer on this matter can also be found in one of the 2nd edition Gods books, I believe in Faiths & Avatars. There is one of the sidebars that talks about these mysterious creator races.
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe

USA
280 Posts

Posted - 03 Oct 2002 :  06:46:44  Show Profile  Visit The Great Drizzt's Homepage Send The Great Drizzt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How about a half-dragon, half-drow? sweet! then the drow will rule the earth!........or maybe they wont, if the dragons are still stronger.....
The Great Drizzt

"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
327 Posts

Posted - 05 Oct 2002 :  11:26:04  Show Profile  Visit king-tiax's Homepage Send king-tiax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
well, there may have been a type of Dragonkin, but they would probaly fall with Dragons.

My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.

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Anira the Elf
Acolyte

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Posted - 08 Oct 2002 :  04:45:27  Show Profile  Visit Anira the Elf's Homepage Send Anira the Elf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In the book Elfshadow it refers to the lizardmen.right before they get slaughtered by Arilyn!!!

Ah to be an elf......
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe

USA
280 Posts

Posted - 08 Oct 2002 :  07:39:18  Show Profile  Visit The Great Drizzt's Homepage Send The Great Drizzt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Who is that? its not the lvl 7 girl that defeated the dracolich is it, or is that alicia kendric? I dont know I get them all confused most of the time.
The Great Drizzt

"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 08 Oct 2002 :  15:25:15  Show Profile Send Mumadar Ibn Huzal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Arilyn Moonblade is the person meant by Anira the Elf. She's one of the main characters in: Elfsong, Elfshadow, Dreamspheres and Thornhold.

She is also depicted on the illustration with the Harper Scout prestige class.
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Ditalidas
Learned Scribe

Netherlands
127 Posts

Posted - 08 Oct 2002 :  17:38:58  Show Profile  Visit Ditalidas's Homepage Send Ditalidas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't think any of the races is 'the best'. They have all their pro's and con's.

The problem with the non-human races is their playabillity. Playing an elf (as an example), as an elf should be, is very difficult, at least in a table top game. The same goes for the dwarf and some of the other races. Their mindset is so totally different from humans... and we are all humans.

On the other hand gives Pbem the chance of thinking actions over. In a Pbem you can look at them from all points of view and decide then what is elvisch behavior or not. So it should be less difficult to play a non-human race in Pbem

I'm an ultimate perfectionist though, and know I am not able to play an elf as I believe an elf should be played. Though they are my favorite race I lately only play humans.

boring no?

'All that is' is also 'All that is not' for the one cannot exist without the other.

Sweet Water and Light Laughter
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
327 Posts

Posted - 08 Oct 2002 :  20:22:59  Show Profile  Visit king-tiax's Homepage Send king-tiax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, first of it definatly wasent boaring Ditalidas, I always play table top Dwarves, they are just so tough. I did try an Elf once, but burnt a Hobbit holy book in front of the priest of Gullykin, that was painful. He didn't live to tell the tale.

My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.

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eilinel
Learned Scribe

France
296 Posts

Posted - 09 Oct 2002 :  04:39:07  Show Profile  Visit eilinel's Homepage Send eilinel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
mmmh... What is my favorite?
Depending of my moon...
I really like to play elves, gnomes, fairies.
And also vampires, lycantropes, drows, and others dark creatures.

But, any way, i'm really sorry but i defenitly don't like dwarves, orcs and giants.
That's the way it is...

i like fast, open-minded, clever creatures.




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Shades
Acolyte

Georgia
39 Posts

Posted - 09 Oct 2002 :  16:23:53  Show Profile  Visit Shades's Homepage Send Shades a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There was a half-dragon race in 2nd edition but they were an NPC race because they had to many powers. They were alot stronger then half-drow.
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Ghost
Acolyte

Netherlands
38 Posts

Posted - 09 Oct 2002 :  16:31:04  Show Profile  Visit Ghost's Homepage Send Ghost a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shades

There was a half-dragon race in 2nd edition but they were an NPC race because they had to many powers. They were alot stronger then half-drow.


Do you mean the half-dragons from the Council of Wyrms setting, Shades?

The way of a superior man are three-fold;
virtuous, he is free from anxieties;
wise, he is free from perplexities;
bold, he is free from fear. ~ Confucius
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
327 Posts

Posted - 09 Oct 2002 :  20:16:48  Show Profile  Visit king-tiax's Homepage Send king-tiax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Half-Dragons, you mean Dragon kin.

My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.

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Shades
Acolyte

Georgia
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Posted - 09 Oct 2002 :  20:37:52  Show Profile  Visit Shades's Homepage Send Shades a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I got the rules for them from Dragon magazine. Don't know the rules for Council of Wryms, though learning something new never hurt.
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eilinel
Learned Scribe

France
296 Posts

Posted - 10 Oct 2002 :  03:01:25  Show Profile  Visit eilinel's Homepage Send eilinel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Council of Wyrms wasn't bad, with some good rules about half-dragons of every kind of dragon, dragon slayers...

my favorite is the half-bronze dragon, who could be ranger until a good level.
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
327 Posts

Posted - 10 Oct 2002 :  20:43:16  Show Profile  Visit king-tiax's Homepage Send king-tiax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd like to be a song dragon, it would be useful with the shape change an all, a brown Dragon would be cool as well though.

My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.

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Drummer Boy
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USA
395 Posts

Posted - 11 Oct 2002 :  04:46:46  Show Profile  Visit Drummer Boy's Homepage Send Drummer Boy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you're talking about the Forgotten Realms RPG games, I would probably pick halflings, because they make the best thieves. Of course, each race is best at a certain class, but I like halflings the best because I usually pick a thief as my character.
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Drummer Boy
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Posted - 11 Oct 2002 :  04:50:17  Show Profile  Visit Drummer Boy's Homepage Send Drummer Boy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mask

Doesn't anyone agree with me that vampires are cool?



Yeah, I guess vampires are cool, but what does that have to do with anything?
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Drummer Boy
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USA
395 Posts

Posted - 11 Oct 2002 :  04:53:34  Show Profile  Visit Drummer Boy's Homepage Send Drummer Boy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Drizzt

Yes Vampires are cool!

And maybe thats cause your an IDIOT "king-tiax", just like your half-brained knee biters that you so enjoy. on that note, bring on the elves, dwarves, dragons..........and what ever you guys can find and throw them at the Drow, i got my money on the drow, not if they go against everyone at the same time though, there not gods, but......close!
The Great Drizzt



The are powerful, but their disadvantage is that a drow can't go to sleep without waking up with a companion's dagger in his/her back.

Edited by - Alaundo on 11 Oct 2002 10:32:12
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Drummer Boy
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USA
395 Posts

Posted - 11 Oct 2002 :  04:59:10  Show Profile  Visit Drummer Boy's Homepage Send Drummer Boy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Drizzt

Hell yes! bout time I get some on my side, thanks guys, Elves will rule forever I think.



Easy to say when you're only the very best drow weaponmaster on the face of Faerun. I'm siding with king-tiax.
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Drummer Boy
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USA
395 Posts

Posted - 11 Oct 2002 :  05:04:49  Show Profile  Visit Drummer Boy's Homepage Send Drummer Boy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think that surface elves and drow elves are equal, but can gain an advantage depending on what kind of environment they are in. For example, a drow would have an advantage fighting a surface elf in the pitch-black darkness of the Underdark, but a drow would have a disadvantage fighting a surface elf in blinding light from the sun on the surface.
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe

USA
280 Posts

Posted - 11 Oct 2002 :  06:16:00  Show Profile  Visit The Great Drizzt's Homepage Send The Great Drizzt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, well thats already been established "drummer boy"
and your wrong on one point, there are plenty of weaponmasters in Menzoberanzen alone, because every house has to have one, so theres probably 30 or so just in Menzoberanzen alone!
The Great Drizzt

"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe

USA
280 Posts

Posted - 12 Oct 2002 :  08:18:09  Show Profile  Visit The Great Drizzt's Homepage Send The Great Drizzt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
.......Did I mention that Dark Elves(or surface Elves at least) are the best race in all the realms???
The Great Drizzt

"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
327 Posts

Posted - 12 Oct 2002 :  11:37:56  Show Profile  Visit king-tiax's Homepage Send king-tiax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes Drizzey boy you certainly did, A LOT!

My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.

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Drummer Boy
Senior Scribe

USA
395 Posts

Posted - 13 Oct 2002 :  03:16:53  Show Profile  Visit Drummer Boy's Homepage Send Drummer Boy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Drizzt

Yeah, well thats already been established "drummer boy"
and your wrong on one point, there are plenty of weaponmasters in Menzoberanzen alone, because every house has to have one, so theres probably 30 or so just in Menzoberanzen alone!
The Great Drizzt



Yes, I know there is more than one drow weaponmaster, but note that I was saying that Drizzt is the BEST drow weaponmaster, not the only drow weaponmaster.
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
327 Posts

Posted - 13 Oct 2002 :  17:40:06  Show Profile  Visit king-tiax's Homepage Send king-tiax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok, ok, we don't need to fight about this, Drummer boy you did imply that Drizzt is the only one but we do not see what you ment, ok. Drizzt, you are the best ever Drow weponmaster.

My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.

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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe

USA
280 Posts

Posted - 14 Oct 2002 :  07:24:04  Show Profile  Visit The Great Drizzt's Homepage Send The Great Drizzt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok, sorry drummerboy, I retract my previous statement.
Thanks, Drizzt is the VERY best Weponmaster(of the Drow), even though his father Zaknafein was about the equivelent, but we'll never know now, because he sleeps at the botom of an acid pool.
The Great Drizzt

"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
327 Posts

Posted - 14 Oct 2002 :  20:49:25  Show Profile  Visit king-tiax's Homepage Send king-tiax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Can't help but feel sorry for Drizzt, outcast Drow, Dead father, forever tormented bt his kin, not a good life.

My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.

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Drummer Boy
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USA
395 Posts

Posted - 15 Oct 2002 :  03:51:45  Show Profile  Visit Drummer Boy's Homepage Send Drummer Boy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Great Drizzt

Ok, sorry drummerboy, I retract my previous statement.
Thanks, Drizzt is the VERY best Weponmaster(of the Drow), even though his father Zaknafein was about the equivelent, but we'll never know now, because he sleeps at the botom of an acid pool.
The Great Drizzt



That's OK Drizzt, apology accepted.
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Darwin Tenderfoot
Seeker

USA
57 Posts

Posted - 15 Oct 2002 :  04:19:03  Show Profile  Visit Darwin Tenderfoot's Homepage Send Darwin Tenderfoot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think that Halflings are a good race. Even through the tormenting of the other races they hold strong. They are also IMHO the best thiefs in the realms. But I have to admit all elves are a close second for sure. Sorry King Tiax, Dwarves just dont have the stuff.
(and then thiers the attitude, smell, and so on.....) Their is two humans however who are very adept at getting in to places and that would be Artemis Enteri, and also Erevis Cale.

Darwin (Halfling if you havent guessed)
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