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Arnwyn
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 Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 00:40:16
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So where does Impiltur's lineage go screwy? If Sambryl and Imphras IV are third cousins, that means they share the same great-great-grandparent. So, where does Imphras IV come from? It looks like he's supposed to be the great-great-grandson of Imphras I (according to the FRCS)... so to be third cousins, that means Imphras I is the common ancestor.
So, if Sambryl is daughter of Rilimbrar, who in turn is the third (? After Talryn and Lashilmbrar?) son of Imphras II, who in turn is the only son of Ilmara, who is the daughter of Imphras I - we're at the great-great-grandparent stage. Cool. But, it looks like FR6 is implying that Imphras I only had two children (Imbrar and Ilmara). If Ilmara took the throne after Imbrar died, it must mean Imbrar was childless. So where does Imphras IV come from? (And where is Imphras III?)
Gah! What am I missing?
I can't wait for more info on Impiltur. We got loads (relatively speaking for FR, of course) of dynasty info for Cormyr, Tethyr, and Aglarond... Impiltur is needed! |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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6666 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 03:12:53
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Originally posted by Arnwyn
So where does Impiltur's lineage go screwy? If Sambryl and Imphras IV are third cousins, that means they share the same great-great-grandparent. So, where does Imphras IV come from? It looks like he's supposed to be the great-great-grandson of Imphras I (according to the FRCS)... so to be third cousins, that means Imphras I is the common ancestor.
Actually, that's slightly my bad - it should be second cousins, not third. I've edited my original post accordingly. Sambryl and Imphras IV share the same great-grandparents: Imphras II and Lasheela of Dilpur. He and she are actually the great-great-great-grandchildren of Imphras I "the Great".
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So, if Sambryl is daughter of Rilimbrar, who in turn is the third (? After Talryn and Lashilmbrar?) son of Imphras II, who in turn is the only son of Ilmara, who is the daughter of Imphras I - we're at the great-great-grandparent stage. Cool. But, it looks like FR6 is implying that Imphras I only had two children (Imbrar and Ilmara). If Ilmara took the throne after Imbrar died, it must mean Imbrar was childless. So where does Imphras IV come from? (And where is Imphras III?)
Imphras I "the Great" has two children:
- Imbrar I
- Ilmara
Imbrar dies childless and Ilmara takes the throne. On the birth of her son Imphras II, he is crowned and she becomes Queen-Regent until he turns 16 years of age, whereupon he can rule in his own right.
Imphras II marries Lasheela of Dilpur and has six (yep, count 'em) sons:
- Talryn
- Lashilmbrar
- Kuskur
- Velimbrar
- Elphras
- Fylraun
Talryn "the Pirate Prince" never succeeds his dad, being executed for 'treason' as per "Sea of Fallen Stars" (p.5 - NOTE: the dates there for Talryn are wrong; it's a Cormyr Reckoning/Dale Reckoning snafu - add 26 years to the dates in SoFS re Talryn). Lashilmbrar succeeds Imphras II. He has two sons: Imphras III and Rilimbrar. King Lashilmbrar and Crown Prince Imphras III die in a 'bandit attack' on their summer residence. Evidence shows that Imphras III lived a tad longer than his dad so technically "ruled" for a short time before getting killed. Some sages include him (as they do Imphras IV) in the lineage, others do not. Rilimbrar comes to the throne at age 14 with his uncle Prince Kuskur as regent (and funnily enough, Kuskur is next in line for the throne given that Rilimbrar hasn't got kids at this stage).
Just as everything seems cosy, Kuskur's son Thaum launches a rebellion to put himself (or his father and hence him eventually) on the throne. Kuskur and Rilimbrar flee the realm to Aglarond whereupon Queen Ilione helps out by having her apprentice, the Simbul, slay Thaum with magic. Thaum has a son named Imphras. After Thaum's death, there are attempts by his followers and other disaffected nobles of the realm to have the young Imphras, son of Thaum, crowned as Imphras IV. This comes to nothing and Rilimbrar is returned to the throne and rules in his own right as he has by now turned 16. Imphras IV (party to his treacherous father's schemes and no innocent pawn) is put under house arrest for the rest of his years.
However, as the years go on and Rilimbrar only has daughters, the law says that he will be succeeded by Imphras IV on his death (Impiltur has quite a misogynistic system of royal inheritance - queens only occur when there are no living male heirs of the ruling line whatsoever - such as in the case of Imphras I's daughter Ilmara). To avoid this (but not wanting to murder/execute Imphras IV) Rilimbrar has his daughter Sambryl marry Imphras IV, her second cousin. The idea being that they have no children and the marriage isn't consummated and that "rule" of Impiltur goes to the Lords of Imphras II until such time as another male heir of the Heltharn line inherits the throne, likely from the line of Imphras II's fourth son Velimbrar (see above).
When Rilimbrar dies in a terrible palace fire, a few people die with him, including Imphras IV (no sorrow over his passing) and Prince Verimlaun who is Sambryl's second cousin also, and another great-grandson of Imphras II, through the line of Velimbrar. Now, the plan was for Verimlaun to inherit the throne after Imphras IV's death (with Imphras IV never actually ruling in truth - Sambryl and the Lords of Imphras II running the show). With Verimlaun and Imphras IV both dead, it is determined that Imphras IV died after Rilimbrar and hence Sambryl was (albeit for a very, very short time)the ruling queen. As such, she can (as Ilmara did) become Queen-Regent for Verimlaun's young son Soarimbrar (who also has a sister). Soarimbrar never gets to 16 years of age and hence the next in line to inherit is his infant nephew (Imphras V) who also dies of sickness before he can inherit the throne. Imphras V has a younger brother, Imbrar, who is the unheralded and seldom mentioned current "king" of Impiltur as Imbrar II but won't actually rule in his own right until he turns 16 in 1374 DR.
Oh, and the Lords of Imphras II are descended from Imphras II's sixth and last son, Fylraun. They are (or were as six of the twelve are now dead) Sambryl's third cousins, once removed. The twelve are sons of Sambryl's slightly older second cousins (known as the "Dowager Aunts") Sambral, Lasheela and Delmatha.
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Gah! What am I missing?
I can't wait for more info on Impiltur. We got loads (relatively speaking for FR, of course) of dynasty info for Cormyr, Tethyr, and Aglarond... Impiltur is needed!
Well, you hadn't really missed anything - it took Eric Boyd and myself many, many moons of dynastic juggling and shuffling to fix the totally contrasting dynastic statements made about Impiltur from FR6 on the one hand and FR9 onwards into 3E on the other. What we've come up with reconciles both without any major hiccups.
As for information on Impiltur - as you can see, I have a bit, but it isn't likely to become "official" or "canon" anytime soon. Impiltur was most definitely the "Forgotten Kingdom" when UE was mooted. Of course, if I get Ed on his thread to regurgitate all of our Impiltur work it becomes "canon" until superseded or contradicted by officially publsihed FR products. Hmmm, concept ...
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 06:09:29
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George, you really need to dedicate a scroll (completely) to what you have on Impiltur. Granted, it may not be canon, but until we see some definite details in "official" print, I'm sure there's more than a few scribes here at Candlekeep who'd like to see what you have.
I know, because I'm one of them...  .
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 08:55:01
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Originally posted by The Sage
George, you really need to dedicate a scroll (completely) to what you have on Impiltur. Granted, it may not be canon, but until we see some definite details in "official" print, I'm sure there's more than a few scribes here at Candlekeep who'd like to see what you have.
I know, because I'm one of them... .
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Alaundo
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 12:38:49
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I thank you all for the kind words and encouragement but my Impiltur material isn't in any form suitable to be lodged in these honourable halls. Also, being something of a completist and perfectionist, I have a LOT of work to do on Impiltur before I can publish anything worthwhile or credible. There are other factors involved also, but simply put, I'm happy to help with queries but won't be providing an Impiltur magnum opus anytime in the future. Thanks again.
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Oct 2004 : 14:10:14
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That is good enough then, I suppose  . I can appreciate your feeling for your work though... I've found myself in similar situations in the past when it's come to "publishing" background material for other settings, Planescape in particular.
Now then, I guess I'll have to come up with some Impiltur-themed questions... 
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Arnwyn
Acolyte
35 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2004 : 17:19:21
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I'm happy to help with queries
Be careful what you say!
What exactly is the "Heltharn" line? Does that refer to the family of Imphras (I)? And does it have anything to do with the four Dynasties of Impiltur?
Thanks for your previous answers. With that, my list of the new Impiltur monarchs should make sense, now. It makes adapting adventures in Impiltur a whole lot easier!
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 20 Oct 2004 : 20:24:10
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I thank you all for the kind words and encouragement but my Impiltur material isn't in any form suitable to be lodged in these honourable halls. Also, being something of a completist and perfectionist, I have a LOT of work to do on Impiltur before I can publish anything worthwhile or credible. There are other factors involved also, but simply put, I'm happy to help with queries but won't be providing an Impiltur magnum opus anytime in the future. Thanks again.
-- George Krashos
The post on Impiltur was more than most of us deserved, anyway! Don't feel obligated to compile the Impiltur Bible for us just yet!
I do have one request though... (diplomacy roll: natural 20 + 7 ranks - 2 Cha = 25!!  )
Could you illustrate your last Impilturian post with a family tree? that would be extremely helpful in *remembering* how the current infant king came about. Please? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 11:43:35
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Could you illustrate your last Impilturian post with a family tree? that would be extremely helpful in *remembering* how the current infant king came about. Please?
On these Boards? How does a computer/internet doofus like me manage that? How about I give you the info and you make one yourself at home? All marked with an "*" are dead.
We start with Imphras I, "the Great"*.
He has two children: Imbrar I* and Ilmara*.
Imbrar I is childless and Ilmara has one son, Imphras II.
I've already given you Imphras II's children, and their progeny is as follows:
Talryn*: no kids (legitimate, that is, although you just don't know what can be found on the Dragonisle ... ).
Lashilmbrar*: two kids - Imphras III and Rilimbrar.
Kuskur*: one kid, Thaum.
Velimbrar*: three kids, two daughters and a son, Soarimbrar.
Elphras*: no kids.
Fylraun*: a daughter and a son, Elphras (named after his dead brother).
Next level down:
Imphras III*: no kids.
Rilimbrar*: a daughter, Sambryl.
Thaum*: a son, Imphras IV.
Soarimbrar*: a daughter and a son, Verimlaun.
Elphras*: three daughters, Sambral, Lasheela and Delmatha.
Next level down:
Sambryl & Imphras IV*: no kids.
Verimlaun*: a son, Soarimbrar, and a daughter, Ilmara.
Sambral*, Lasheela* & Delmatha*: the twelve male, Lords of Imphras II named in FR6.
Next level down:
Soarimbrar*: no kids.
Ilmara: two sons, Imphras V* and Imbrar II.
There, that should work out nicely. Enjoy.
-- George Krashos
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Alaundo
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Neil
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 04:43:17
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So like this?
I think it's time to play research boy. Break out my old copies of various FR books and see if I can put some dates on these people. Then maybe I'll whip up a graphic or three, photoshop-style.
A1 Imphras I, King of Impiltur (dead)
-B1 Imbrar I, King of Impiltur (dead)
-B2 Ilmara (dead)
--C1 Imphras II, king of Impiltur (dead)
---D1 Talryn the Pirate (dead)
---D2 Lashilmbrar, king of Impiltur (dead)
----E1 Imphras III, King of Impiltur (dead)
----E2 Rilimbrar, King of Impiltur (dead)
-----F1 Sambryl, Queen-Regent of Impiltur
---D3 Kuskur (dead)
----E3 Thaum (dead)
-----F2 Imphras IV, King of Impiltur (dead)
---D4 Velimbrar
----E4 Unnamed daughter I (dead)
----E5 Unnamed daughter II (dead)
----E6 Soarimbrar (dead)
-----F3 Unnamed daughter IV (possibly dead)
-----F4 Verimlaun (dead)
------G1 Soarimbrar (dead)
------G2 Ilmara
-------H1 Imphras V, King of Impiltur (dead)
-------H2 Imbrar II, King of Impiltur
---D5 Elphras (dead)
---D6 Fylraun (dead)
----E7 Unnamed daughter III (dead)
----E8 Elphras (dead)
-----F5 Sambral (dead)
-----F6 Lasheela (dead)
-----F7 Delmatha (dead)
------G3 Kylraun
------G4 Imbrar
------G5 Lashilaun
------G6 Soargilm
------G7 Haelimbrar
------G8 Sambrar
------G9 Rilimbraun
------G10 Imbraun
------G11 Silmgar
------G12 Silaunbrar
------G13 Rilaunyr
------G14 Limbrar
G3-14 (The Twelve Lords of Imphras II, taken from FR6 and FR9) are descended in some combination from F5-7. |
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Solmyr the Azure
Acolyte
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Posted - 11 Nov 2004 : 10:37:40
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Dragon Coast is a central area that has had NO products detailing it, ever. It desperately needs one.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Nov 2004 : 13:31:59
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Originally posted by Solmyr the Azure
Dragon Coast is a central area that has had NO products detailing it, ever. It desperately needs one.
Well, Westgate did have a nice write up in the Cloak & Dagger tome. |
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Keravin
Seeker
50 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2004 : 14:30:42
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I've been putting together a Sembia campaign for a while now.
Books (rather than the mass of online sources I've looked at) I've used have been
Cloak and Dagger
FR Adventures
The original Grey Box
Masquerades
as well as the new FR book.
Add in the articles in Dragon to accompany the Sembia series and that's about all I've found in print. Westgate covers most of that info though.
So put my name down for a Sembia/Dragon Coast book wish. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2004 : 15:47:17
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Originally posted by Keravin
So put my name down for a Sembia/Dragon Coast book wish.
Ever since I started reading the Sembia novels, I've wanted to see that area covered. Thomas M. Reid's new series focused around Arrabar now makes me wish to see that region done for 3e or 3.5e or whatever version they are currently on. |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 18:38:26
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Lantan and the Moonshae Isles! That's what I would want most of all. I would also love to see a 3.5 version of Al-Qadim, you could even throw in Kara-Tur, the Hordelands, and Maztica, maybe add a couple of new places; basically fill out Toril a little more.
Another useful sourcebook could be devoted entirely to the seas and oceans of Faerun, plus the islands and port cities that are not covered well elsewhere.
A who's who of the Realms. Like the Hero's and Villians' Lorebooks. Updated to 3ed compiling the stats and histories from 3ed, 2nd ed (converted), and Dragon, also updated to their current status in the Realms. For example, I doubt Malik is still a 10th level rogue as he was presented in Dragon #245 |
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 15:37:26
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Well, here's my votes:
For a region, I would dearly like to see a 3rd Ed revision to Tethyr, with more wonderful maps, and more on how Lhaeo, I mean, King Haedrik III is doing. I firmly believe that Lands of Intrigue was the absolute best box set I have ever seen! Bravo, Mr Schend!
A misc book for me is a toss-up. Either I'd like to see a new Arcane Age deteailing the Harpstar Wars or the Crown Wars, or maybe a 'Who's Who of Faerūnian Undead', with such notables as Szass Tam (who I know has been written up already, but it'd be nice to see how he spends his days), Larloch, and the Lady Alathene Moonstar. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 22:52:18
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Originally posted by Melfius
Well, here's my votes:
For a region, I would dearly like to see a 3rd Ed revision to Tethyr, with more wonderful maps, and more on how Lhaeo, I mean, King Haedrik III is doing. I firmly believe that Lands of Intrigue was the absolute best box set I have ever seen! Bravo, Mr Schend!
Thank you very much for the kind words.  It's probably my favorite as well (in terms of how close from concept to execution it is and in quality of work IMO).
If I had to guess, I'd say Haedrak is still busy raising his children, working on the histories of Tethyr, and helping organize the adventuring companies to continue work on clearing the eastern reaches of monsters and Banite raiders. His only instance of communication with northern wizards of late has been to authorize a wagon of a special blend of pipeweed from the Purple Hills up to the Dalelands (ostensibly for Mourngrym but really for Storm & Elminster).
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A misc book for me is a toss-up. Either I'd like to see a new Arcane Age deteailing the Harpstar Wars or the Crown Wars, or maybe a 'Who's Who of Faerūnian Undead', with such notables as Szass Tam (who I know has been written up already, but it'd be nice to see how he spends his days), Larloch, and the Lady Alathene Moonstar.
Harpstar Wars fall into what's still considered vaguely Contemporary Realms. We'd planned that ARCANE AGE was only for stuff no more recent than 500-1000 years back; Fall of Myth Drannor's probably the most modern AA event that you could note. Still, it would be neat to see Harpers in a different light than how they are today (not to mention the noble deaths of a number of Wands family wizards in that conflict).
For me, products I'd love to write would be a guide to Shoonach (ala Ruins of Undermountain I) or a tie-in setting book on The Deepwash and the Vilhon Reach (to link with Phil Athans' books and clear up the confusion around Erlkazar and environs).
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1715 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 23:13:30
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Old post I'd missed a few months back......
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Originally posted by Bruce Donohue
Steven, if I remember correctly, many of us, including myself worked on the Forgotten Realms Encyclopedia and then it was on a consultant basis. It was then cancelled later on since it was supposed to be used only for in house use. We had to go through every since page of a book and reference any event, item, person, place, magic etc... in a certain format that would be easily compiled and translated into Encyclopedia format.
I think a lot of the material is still floating around somewhere.
I know I have a lot of the historical files but not any files that Julia or Phil collated as their parts of the works, alas.
Frankly, it's been so long since I've looked at those, they read like incomprehensible gibberish to me in places. I'm no longer as Type A as I was when that work was done, though in some ways, the thoroughness of it all can still be useful. Oddly enough, if I can untangle how we organized those files, I might use that format to collate data as I world-build in stories I hope to publish myself.
One of the reasons I can't give a straight answer here on this is simple--I'm no longer a Wizards employee, so I'm not at liberty to do what I wish with that material. It's all legally theirs, even if I have a copy of it.
The other reason as for the ending of the Encyclopedia Faerunica project was simple--We worked it out that developing all the raw data we'd compiled for starters (plus adding any additional material along the way, the development of said material into cyclopedic entries, editing, etc.) would take a team of six freelancers (and Julia and Phil and I wanted to lead the project "in our copious spare time") three to four solid years at 40 hours a week/50 weeks a year to produce the books right--I believe the hope was for 4-6 volumes or so in hardcover. That was the kind of cash and resource layout it faced, which is why it was put to bed, alas.
I was sorry to see it end there, but in retrospect, the project would have driven me insane long before we'd ever finished the first volume, to be sure.
Thus, the best we can do with that data is to check on continuity and clear up gaffes where they're found. It's all still available to Wizards folks, as I know I left CDs (of the contents of my hard drive with all my Realms notes and data when I left in 2000) with at least three or four people on the FR team and with Phil Athans in Books.
Wish all that work could be put to more visible uses, but do know this--All the hard work done by freelancers like yourself and others was heartfully appreciated then and now.
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 02:42:18
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Shoonach would be WONDERFUL! Only once during my tenure as a DM have I been able to use it, as my players ran like bunnies as soon as they figured out where they were  I spent all that time designing the mythal-like properties of the city, only to spend a half an hour there 
Would it be possible to find out what each section of the city was used for? I don't think I ever did puzzle it together.
Thank you, Mr Schend, for the wonderful adventure locale! |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 17:37:54
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Originally posted by Melfius
Shoonach would be WONDERFUL! Only once during my tenure as a DM have I been able to use it, as my players ran like bunnies as soon as they figured out where they were I spent all that time designing the mythal-like properties of the city, only to spend a half an hour there
Would it be possible to find out what each section of the city was used for? I don't think I ever did puzzle it together.
Thank you, Mr Schend, for the wonderful adventure locale!
Easily enough done...
The eastern and western gates are the least impressive on the walls of Shoonach as those were the gates used by slaves and commoners. The Fedhiyajar areas are all farms and essential services you don't want near the city (offal-carters and dung sweepers carting their "wares" out to the farms for fertilizer, etc.).
Mumlukkar was the primary living area for many of the slaves and their families (born into slavery). Don't expect much there aside from mud brick huts and the crudest of conditions. The one reason any non-slave went here was that this was the main location for horse breeding and trading, cart and wheel repair, and harness making (for the Shoon, while recognizing horses as essential, sneered at this and made it slaves' work, "for all true nobles and Shoon travel on their own strength or their own magics" (and due to Shoon II's prejudices and inability to ride well, this is why flying carpets--even as small as a prayer rug to seat one person--became a normal mode of transport among the nobility).
Iltakar was the soliders' city--all the military strength of the Imperium right up front and near the Main Gate, so visitors were reminded immediately of the power of Shoon upon entry to Shoonach. This'll have the bulk of smithies and armorers and weaponsmiths, not to mention garrisons and training arenas and tracks for horse breaking or racing.
Debukkher is a necropolis. Its sole purpose is to prepare, preserve, and inter the dead. What utilitarian buildings are here are hidden among all the opulent tombs and memorials and gardens of statues (and mausoleums filled with treasures and dead). General note--no farms grow within the perimeter of those outer roads that wrap around Debukkher (on the map sheet). Those who work in the Necropolis have small villages clinging to the walls surrounding it, most collecting near its seven gates/arches. No barring entry into a City of the Dead, after all...
If you're a merchant, you can use any of the gates, but the "correct" entrance and place for you is Agis, the river entrance and the main trade area of Shoonach. while there are marketplaces on the Mount, in the city, and in Iltakar, they're mere satellites to the trade going on in Agis. Expect to find many warehouses and many open areas for trading carts to gather. Oddly enough, the bulk of the
Most dignitaries and visitors were forced to use the Main Gate to give them the long view of Shoon's power--walking through the military area, a brief view of golden fields, then the opulence and majesty of having to climb the Imperial Mount and walk through the main city--the seat of all governmental and social power in the Imperium. The main city is like most other modern Realmsian cities with a mish-mash of everything from temples to taverns to libraries. Only on the mount are the majority of the buildings given over to noble villas, major temple complexes, and the palaces of the Shoon. In fact, quite literally, the higher up you were in Shoon society, the higher up the mount you lived. Bear in mind that not even the gods have temples that raise them to the level of where the Shoons lived atop the peak.
Hope that bit of lore going from memory and looking at the map helps.
Steven |
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Melfius
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the psychotic seaotter
Seeker
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 : 01:21:16
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I want an MOTP style book on the new cosmolgy and the nature of the planes. ( yes I know this was done in the players guide to Faerun but I have skipped that book since I didn't see the need for a 3.5 update)
I would also like to see a version of the Realms that are Ed's original vision instead of the TSR/WOTC add ons to compare the two visions.
I would also like to see Ed's original Spellfire Manuscript in print as well. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 : 01:56:09
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Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
I want an MOTP style book on the new cosmolgy and the nature of the planes. ( yes I know this was done in the players guide to Faerun but I have skipped that book since I didn't see the need for a 3.5 update)
*blinks* Let me get this straight: You know there's a book out there with the info you want. You refuse to buy it. And yet you want WotC to print it in a book by itself?  |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 : 02:05:04
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Originally posted by the psychotic seaotter
I have skipped that book since I didn't see the need for a 3.5 update)
I would also like to see a version of the Realms that are Ed's original vision instead of the TSR/WOTC add ons to compare the two visions.
I would also like to see Ed's original Spellfire Manuscript in print as well.
I strongly suspect you need a 3.5 update.
I also suspect that you will not see Mr. Greenwoos orginal version of either the relams or Spellfire in the near future. If such would be printed in most likely would be included in a biographic book about the auther, self or other written, |
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the psychotic seaotter
Seeker
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 : 04:12:10
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*blinks* Let me get this straight: You know there's a book out there with the info you want. You refuse to buy it. And yet you want WotC to print it in a book by itself?
I won't buy it due to the fact the only info I would use is the planes info, it's just not worth the price tag for a few pages and,Faerun's planes could easiliy cover a MOTP style book.
Since this is a wishlist I would like a planes book...
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I strongly suspect you need a 3.5 update.
Sorry I have pretty much abandoned 3/3.5 except for realms material. I have been converting the books to TLG's Castles and Crusades system and have been alot happier since the change.
For those who don't know Castles and Crusades is a rules light system based off the 3e srd and is geared more like the older D&D editions. It's a good choice for those who feel bogged down by 3e's overbearing rules.
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 02:08:26
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Heretic! Blasphemer!
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the psychotic seaotter
Seeker
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Posted - 19 Dec 2004 : 06:52:04
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Originally posted by Melfius
Heretic! Blasphemer!
I prefer the term Freethinker, actually... |
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