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Chyron
Learned Scribe
Hong Kong
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 Posted - 31 May 2004 : 07:12:10
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Well, don't we first need to set the parameters/guideline of the project? Are we submitting the events on a month by month basis every month or bi-monthly (i.e one FR month due every two months) or some other ratio? If we start late in 1372 we might well be jumping the gun on 1373 events if the progression/publishing rate is too quick.
From my own perspective I would think it would make more sense to simply start at month one of 1372 and work (slowly) from there.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 07:54:46
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Well, I've started collecting together some notes for my areas of consideration and I am looking at having the details evolve over a monthly basis. So, I would say a month-by-month progression would seem to be the best option. Plus it allows all the scribes involved with this project a fair amount of time to properly work on their submissions.
I don't particularly like the idea of starting at "month one of 1372 DR" like you said Chyron, mainly because most of us are already aware of what has occured during this time already. Perhaps before the actual new "Recent News" articles are presented, a brief summary of recent Realms events up to and including the project start date, would be the best idea.
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 08:30:14
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I'll admit that my offer of participation is not without a dose of self-interest in the matter. The Twilight Dawn game is currently still in 1371, but steadily moving towards 1372 and for me every month of that year would be interesting enough to have some rumors on.
An idea might be to poll the forum on which year/month people are most likely to start their adventures/games. Of course over time these 'preferred start dates' will change as WotC will publish more material further down the timeline - but one has to start somewhere.
If the year 1372 is chosen as the base year, the most useful option would be to build up the 'Current Clack' from the first month onward. Even though some of the things might already be known from published material, that data covers only limited regions and lot's of more can be added for Faerūn as a whole. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 08:36:39
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An intriguing idea Mumadar, and something that is definitely worth considering...
From my own perspective, I can understand the use for such a format. But I have yet to start a campaign in the post 1370 DR era. Every FR game I run has just naturally progressed from alternate starting years in the past. My most recent start date was 1365 DR...
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 08:45:39
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Anyone got any ideas re a delivery system? Do I (we) just post a topic called "Current Clack: X"?
-- George Krashos
A good question George. Arivia, Dargoth...do you have any thoughts on this? Perhaps each scribe should just have their own personal scroll...
While the discussion on the topic between the scribes probably warrants a (limited access?) forum, I would suggest the 'final' product to be put on the Candlekeep website where it'll come better to its right as compared to it being available on the forum...
As for a form, there are several examples in published Realsmlore on the Current Clack sections, I'd suggest that format to be followed initially. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 09:03:09
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Another interesting idea...
I guess the real question is now, should we use the 2e FR "Current Clack" format, or the style now used in the several FR tomes which contain such information?
I think that in order to establish a certain level of legitimacy with this project, we should use the 3e format.
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2004 : 12:05:06
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Just to reiterate a question lost in the pages of this thread:
Do we submit our initial ideas on this thread? Or elsewhere? And if elsewhere... where? (  ) (i.e. by e-mail to Dargoth or Sage, or sent in to Alaundo or Tethtoril?) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 12:47:24
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I really don't think we should be sending our initial ideas for this project into Alaundo or Tethtoril, until they are complete. Not only does this tie up most of our Head Scribe's time, but it is also largely irrelevant since the finished product will need to be submitted later.
I believe it would be best to simply post your own initial ideas here, and then determine which other scribes (if any) you will need to work with in order to keep the details consistent.
How's that?
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2004 : 14:29:42
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Thanks Sage. That's all I needed to know.
*Busies self with scrolls pertaining to dragons of Faerūn, events in the Underdark, Great Dale and seas of Faerūn, and with character concept for duergar conjuerer.*
What? Oh. No exams for a week, so I'm going FR crazy for a day.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 17:43:44
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My proposal for what to do with the updates, as they are created:
First, share them with the people covering the neighboring regions, to make sure no toes are being stepped on.
Second, share them with someone who is up enough on the lore for that region to make sure there's no mistakes.
Third, past the lore onto a final person, who cleans up the grammar and spelling, and then posts -- in semi-regular updates -- all the stuff to a new thread, created expessly for that purpose.
I volunteer for the last step. I'm good on Realmslore, but I know there are others who are better. But I am really good on editing stuff, and cleaning it up to be all nice and pretty.  |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 20:50:50
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Originally posted by The Sage
I really don't think we should be sending our initial ideas for this project into Alaundo or Tethtoril, until they are complete. Not only does this tie up most of our Head Scribe's time, but it is also largely irrelevant since the finished product will need to be submitted later.
I believe it would be best to simply post your own initial ideas here, and then determine which other scribes (if any) you will need to work with in order to keep the details consistent.
How's that?
Well met
Indeed, Sage. Thank ye. We will certainly make a place of honor within Candlekeep for a project such as this. Nominating a "project co-ordinator" is the best option by far. This person would be responsible for collating and editing the articles of lore and be my point of contact for sending in the project and any updates. It makes managing the library and such much easier and streamlined
I certainly look forward to such as this. History, timelines and geography are my favorite subjects of the Realms |
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 22:09:57
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Originally posted by The Sage
An intriguing idea Mumadar, and something that is definitely worth considering...
From my own perspective, I can understand the use for such a format. But I have yet to start a campaign in the post 1370 DR era. Every FR game I run has just naturally progressed from alternate starting years in the past. My most recent start date was 1365 DR...
Ditto. Mine most recent campaign started in DR 1360, although I'm more than amenable to starting in DR 1372, say Kythorn or so. It would give me a year's leeway to keep the "official" events of the Realms in mind, while still allowing me to come up with some plot hooks that will come to fruition in a year's time or so. Most of the stuff I come up with won't have any immediate applicability for my current campaign, and may not even pan out the way I write it (once the group gets to the present time), but I'm sure some of it will still be applicable. |
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 31 May 2004 : 22:13:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
My proposal for what to do with the updates, as they are created:
First, share them with the people covering the neighboring regions, to make sure no toes are being stepped on.
Second, share them with someone who is up enough on the lore for that region to make sure there's no mistakes.
Third, past the lore onto a final person, who cleans up the grammar and spelling, and then posts -- in semi-regular updates -- all the stuff to a new thread, created expessly for that purpose.
I volunteer for the last step. I'm good on Realmslore, but I know there are others who are better. But I am really good on editing stuff, and cleaning it up to be all nice and pretty.
This sounds good to me. I will especially need a loremaster to double check my region, since I don't have many of the third edition updates to the Realms (even though Damara and Vaasa really haven't been updated very much in the past 15 years...) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 : 12:53:38
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Actually, I've been wanting to change one of my areas of attention... I was set originally to be working on the Dalelands, but I've recently come across some of my old notes that I had on the Dragon Coast region. I have some interesting ideas for expanding this material, so would it cause anyone much conflict if I instead developed "Current Clack" for the Dragon Coast instead?
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 : 13:36:19
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What about doing both, Sage?
I'm doing three (including two overly-large  ) areas. But more to the point, I think the Dalelands would be best served by someone as knowledgeable as you, it being so throughly detailed.
But then, you might not want to take on two projects - I'm worrying about how best to commit to the seas and to the Underdark. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 : 13:54:11
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Originally posted by Sarelle
What about doing both, Sage?
I'm doing three (including two overly-large ) areas. But more to the point, I think the Dalelands would be best served by someone as knowledgeable as you, it being so throughly detailed.
But then, you might not want to take on two projects - I'm worrying about how best to commit to the seas and to the Underdark.
You'll be fine-I have half of Faerun to cover! |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 : 14:08:43
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Sarelle
What about doing both, Sage?
I'm doing three (including two overly-large ) areas. But more to the point, I think the Dalelands would be best served by someone as knowledgeable as you, it being so throughly detailed.
But then, you might not want to take on two projects - I'm worrying about how best to commit to the seas and to the Underdark.
You'll be fine-I have half of Faerun to cover!
I'd forgotten about your workload! Seems the Underdark is going to be a tiny bit neglected! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 : 15:12:13
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Originally posted by Sarelle
What about doing both, Sage?
I'm doing three (including two overly-large ) areas. But more to the point, I think the Dalelands would be best served by someone as knowledgeable as you, it being so throughly detailed.
But then, you might not want to take on two projects - I'm worrying about how best to commit to the seas and to the Underdark.
I may well decide upon that. The reason I thought about "dropping" the Dalelands was simply because I did not want to stretch my efforts too thinly across working on both the Dragon Coast, and the Planes.
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 : 17:21:31
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*Knocks fist on head like sieve!*
Yes, I'd forgotten about you doing the planes too, Sage. That is a big task. It is of course up to you, but I do think you're the best man for the Dalelands job. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 02 Jun 2004 : 22:13:37
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Originally posted by The Sage
I may well decide upon that. The reason I thought about "dropping" the Dalelands was simply because I did not want to stretch my efforts too thinly across working on both the Dragon Coast, and the Planes.
You do have help-I'm just buried until the 22nd or so... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 09:57:27
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That's quite alright Arivia. The ideas that you and I were talking about a short while back have been put on the shelf until you're ready to work on them again. I've decided to focus on some of the other planes that I mentioned to you from that same discussion I mentioned above.
I'll keep you posted, most likely by ethereal mail...
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 12:58:28
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
That's quite alright Arivia. The ideas that you and I were talking about a short while back have been put on the shelf until you're ready to work on them again. I've decided to focus on some of the other planes that I mentioned to you from that same discussion I mentioned above.
I'll keep you posted, most likely by ethereal mail...
So should I begin developing the other planes I showed an interest in? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 14:00:46
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Originally posted by The Sage
Yes, that would probably be a good idea. As I remember, we'd decided that the other planes were going to be individual efforts, rather than collaborative...
Ah, okay. We will get back to doing that one together one of these days. Once I dig myself out of this hole. I will. I will. I will-I hope. *weeps* |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 19:29:57
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All this secretive talk of 'that plane I mentioned' and 'those planes we talked about' and 'developing' them. Are you sure you two arn't from the secret service, transmitting coded messages on this site? Al and Teth wouldn't be pleased!  |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 04 Jun 2004 : 23:20:33
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Originally posted by Sarelle
All this secretive talk of 'that plane I mentioned' and 'those planes we talked about' and 'developing' them. Are you sure you two arn't from the secret service, transmitting coded messages on this site? Al and Teth wouldn't be pleased!
*puts cell phone with a pyramid on the back under coat* What? No. Not at all. 
On another, more relevant topic, I am so tempted to throw canon to the wings(3e canon, don't kill me yet!) on Dweomerheart. I did some nice, interesting work-and then actually get to read the entry again, which neutralizes half of what I was thinking of.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Jun 2004 : 04:49:31
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If you're willing Arivia, I'll take a look and what you have on Dweomerheat. Perhaps there might be a way that we can salvage some of these details using the material that I have access to...?
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 05 Jun 2004 : 05:01:21
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Originally posted by The Sage
If you're willing Arivia, I'll take a look and what you have on Dweomerheat. Perhaps there might be a way that we can salvage some of these details using the material that I have access to...?
No, no-I'll work something out. I'm beginning to miss the "City of the Eternal Magefair" already, however...maybe I will write this up, and present it as an alternative here... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 05 Jun 2004 : 05:28:23
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An alternative...? So, are we going to allow alternative takes on ideas as well as canon elements then?
No, I don't believe we should, in general-but in our undeveloped area, that may not be a bad thing. No, what I originally meant was that I may develop my original idea further(which would now include changes to some deities' homes, like Azuth's Azuth., and petitioners, as these exist within Dweomerheart) and present it as a separate article here. |
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An idea for advancing the realms timeline
