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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 03:15:29
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In my current Planescape/Forgotten Realms campaign (sorry Alaundo, but as you can see by the title, it does contain some relevence when dealing with Faerūn  ), which takes place in the City of Doors, Sigil, one of my players is a Doomguard (more information can be found here), and the party has recently discovered a portal leading into Waterdeep on Toril. I'm wondering, how would a Doomguard's unique perspective cause interesting campaign events in the City of Splendors? What effects might his personality have on the citizens of Waterdeep? Oh, and just so you know, that portal emerges into the guildhouse of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors, so there is bound to be some trouble...  
Just so you know, this is a new and exotic "blending" project, merging the Forgotten Realms and Planescape together, that myself and a few others are working on, just to see what happens...
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The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
Edited by - Shadowlord on 18 Apr 2004 03:19:40
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 03:40:07
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 03:47:59
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Well, be that as it may, it also presents some interesting campaign hooks...  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 16:29:53
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Glad to know I have your blessing with this little project of mine. Now if only the Sage will appear...  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 16:58:59
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Glad to know I have your blessing with this little project of mine. Now if only the Sage will appear...
What do you need to know? I have every Planescape box set, sourcebook, and modules except for Hellbound....... |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 17:16:13
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| Excellent! Please refer to the questions above. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 17:35:27
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
I'm wondering, how would a Doomguard's unique perspective cause interesting campaign events in the City of Splendors? What effects might his personality have on the citizens of Waterdeep? Oh, and just so you know, that portal emerges into the guildhouse of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors, so there is bound to be some trouble...
Well I guess it would help to know a bit more about your char as well. It's personality, how does it go about spreading entropy, etc....
Some of the citizens probably would listen to his words and they might try to help spread his faction philosophy or they might even take it to extremes and start removing buildings, etc. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 17:41:14
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| He's the type of Doomguard who destroys everything and anything, to help promote entropy. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 18:32:35
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He's the type of Doomguard who destroys everything and anything, to help promote entropy.
Ah, well then he'd probably be jailed or killed or exhiled or marked, sooner or later when the Watch comes and grabs him for destroying property..... |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 18:36:13
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| Yes, but he goes about it in a subtle fashion, nothing so bland as walking up, casting a spell, and destroying a building. Sorry if I didn't make that clear... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 19:13:35
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Yes, but he goes about it in a subtle fashion, nothing so bland as walking up, casting a spell, and destroying a building. Sorry if I didn't make that clear...
The Watch and its protectors would still come after him sooner or later..... It's against the law to damage buildings in Waterdeep and there are enough protectors in the city who would try to find out who is doing that.
Arson of ship, structure, or stored property: 3 months of enforced hard labor and up to 500gp damages paid to owner and/or up to ten years of exile or banning plus 500gp damages paid to owner.
Damage to Property: value of goods lost plus up to 500GP and edict against convicted (public pronouncement forbidding convicted to do some thing; e.g. continue in present business, repeat circumstances that lead to an offense, etc.)
I don't know, it would be sort of dense for a character to mess around with the buildings inside of Waterdeep because sooner or later they will be caught. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 19:16:30
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| Mayhaps you didn't understand my last post... He's not the type of person to do that. He subtly works behind the scenes to promote decay, destroying things when he can, and doesn't like to be connected with the promotion of entropy. He will work towards it, but hes more of a manipulative lurker, than an activist. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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RogueAssassin
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 20:34:02
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Ahh ...spreading the seeds of chaos is so fufilling. There could be alot of differant hooks epending on the partys alignment and personalitys. He could wreck a docked pirate ship and the watch thinks it may have been another pirate band, then in the end oth the watch and both pirate bands find out it was him. or, a cleric holier-than-thou cleric could make it his personal mission to destroy the PC. lots of things could work. There are many any peopel in waterdeep its very likely he could set u a decent following in the ciy.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 21:29:39
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Mayhaps you didn't understand my last post... He's not the type of person to do that. He subtly works behind the scenes to promote decay, destroying things when he can, and doesn't like to be connected with the promotion of entropy. He will work towards it, but hes more of a manipulative lurker, than an activist.
No I think you misunderstood mine. :) Sooner or later some one in Waterdeep will connect him to what is going on. The Watch or a mage or a harper or some one will finally figure out that he is behind all of these things that are going on. I dunno it just doesn't seem like a good idea to be doing that in Waterdeep, unless he doesn't care that he is going to be caught sooner or later if he stays around or in the city. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 21:50:48
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Ah, now I understand what you meant.  Yes, the locale could be a problem, but I really don't think my players want to go anywhere else. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 22:44:03
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Ah, now I understand what you meant. Yes, the locale could be a problem, but I really don't think my players want to go anywhere else.
:) Well then if I was playing that PC i'd try to find a place that had access to the sewers, then into Undermountain. Or also access to Skullport..... Just in case I needed to get out of the city as well as use those places as a base of operations.....
Spreading entropy through the populace as well would be useful, as I said before..... Hmmm a lot of different groups could be used and talked into messing with the city, ruining buildings, shipsments, ships, etc..... |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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RogueAssassin
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 23:16:45
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Yes i had thought about the skullport thing. it would be pretty cool if he went there and started a uprising against waterdeep...if course it would definately be rushed by the many protectors of waterdeep, though it would be a 2 bladed sword, while leading the uprising against waterdeep he would be doing evil against the city itself, and on the other hand he would be setting up groups of bad guys that almost definately have no chance of doing much damage to the city of splendors, pretty much setting his own "allies" for a masacre. Oh it feels good to be chaotic evil.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Apr 2004 : 23:41:55
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| Good thinking, both of you. I have discussed with my friend, and he has said that finding refuge in Skullport is an excellent idea. Now, on to the next dilemna. As you can see in my first post above, the portal emerges into the guildhouse of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors. I wonder how they'd take a company of Doomguards, appearing in their midst, hmmm? |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 00:15:15
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Good thinking, both of you. I have discussed with my friend, and he has said that finding refuge in Skullport is an excellent idea. Now, on to the next dilemna. As you can see in my first post above, the portal emerges into the guildhouse of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors. I wonder how they'd take a company of Doomguards, appearing in their midst, hmmm?
Well would the Order know they are Doomguards? :) Even so, any one entering the building of the Order by such a portal would be interogated, and if they strangers told the truth, I don't see any reason why the Order would keep them locked up and not let them go after awhile.
The Order might keep tabs on the strangers for awhile but if they don't do any thing to Waterdeep and its citizens for a bit, there really isn't any reason for the Order to keep track of them.....
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For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 00:23:45
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Good thinking, both of you. I have discussed with my friend, and he has said that finding refuge in Skullport is an excellent idea. Now, on to the next dilemna. As you can see in my first post above, the portal emerges into the guildhouse of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors. I wonder how they'd take a company of Doomguards, appearing in their midst, hmmm?
I doubt it'd happen too oft before they sealed the portal. |
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RogueAssassin
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 01:32:53
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If i were playing the Doomgua i would pay a member of the guild a large sum of money to get me in, or kidnap his family and make him..,
but anyways, if thats not poissible then id recommend getting a spell such as mind blank , antimagic field, or nondetection cast upon him.. or hell make him wear a lead helmet: all of these things will protect him from Clairvoyance. He could easily kidnap a innocent little child(that could be sold for a few gold as a slave later) and get an evil sor/wiz to cast misdirection on him and the child: this will protect him from detect evil, decern lies, and detect magic.
That pretty much takes care of the interrogation. Let the Torment begin.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 05:06:15
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Glad to know I have your blessing with this little project of mine. Now if only the Sage will appear...
I've sent your questions along to the Sage, Shadowlord. You'll hear from him shortly.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 05:13:08
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| Excellent! You have my thanks, Lady Kazandra. Now, now, aren't you like the Hooded One... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 05:15:31
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Not really, it's just that the environs the Sage is located in at the moment provides him with little access to the web . . .
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 07:26:03
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| Again, much like the Hooded One. |
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 08:58:25
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If you want to look at this generally, then yes, the argument could be made that both situations are the same. Although, I doubt Mr. Greenwood is currently hip-deep in several fetid, virtually umtamed swamplands on Australia's east coast, helping his entomologist friend hunt down a single class of insectoids from a particular phylum . . .  .
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 09:05:26
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| Nyech. So that's what the Sage is up to. Can't say I envy him . . . . |
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 09:09:58
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Be satisfied in the fact then, that you don't have to be exposed to very disturbing jpeg images of the journeys into the swamplands that he keeps sending me (with the comment "I wish you were here" along the bottom of each image). . . 
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 09:21:01
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 I don't envy Sage in the slightest... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 09:25:36
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Since I'm still waiting for the Sage's return email on this, I'll ask a question of my own -
Have members from any of the factions from Sigil ever visited Waterdeep in the past, perhaps recorded as part of an FR adventure, or reference in a sourcebook?.
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A Doomguard in Waterdeep?
