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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 09:27:59
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Not a one.  Why do you ask? |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 09:42:26
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| Er, well, the characters have never been there themselves, but they have browsed over the sourcebooks. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 09:42:41
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Well, I'm thinking of the Fraternity of Order. It's a known fact that the Guvners have a proclivity for laws, and that they regularly visit law courts and magisterial buildings in other lands to learn about the laws and rules of other societies across the multiverse.
Now, given Waterdeep's rather unique governmental style and structure of the city's ruling body, I would have thought that at least a factor, or even a factol (Hashkar perhaps) would have spent some time studying the system to some degree.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 09:44:55
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| Yes, but the group is made up solely of Doomguards, promoters of entropy, not studiers of law (boy, did that sound bad, extremely bad english on my part, which irks me more than a little). |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 09:55:45
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Shadowlord, you have taken into account that there are actually three slightly different "fractions" within the Doomguard faction - the Destroyers, the Sinkers, and the Regulators.
Do any members of your group subscribe to these differing outlooks on entropy?.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 14:49:51
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Err, indeed, how could I have forgotten.  I was tired when I posted so...
As for your question, there are 3 Sinkers, and an Asher (I believe you forgot this one). This creates some tension within the group, as is understandable. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 16:21:36
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Actually, the Asher are not considered, at least 'officially' . . . 
I don't see how three Sinker Doomguardsmen would create tension though, they are all working toward the same end. Perhaps if one of the three was a member of the Destroyers sect, and another a member of the Regulators, then yes, tension would abound.
Perhaps some revisement is in order . . . 
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"Once upon a time the plural of 'wizard' was 'war'." -- The Last Continent, by Terry Pratchett |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 17:35:20
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The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 17:51:45
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Since I'm still waiting for the Sage's return email on this, I'll ask a question of my own -
Have members from any of the factions from Sigil ever visited Waterdeep in the past, perhaps recorded as part of an FR adventure, or reference in a sourcebook?.
Well its hard to say really because Toril is just a backwater prime world. :) But I'm sure there are planars that have come to Waterdeep. I mean the Modron March went through Undermountain at one point and some planars know about Toril, etc....
There are also many primes that have come from Toril to Sigil and the planes. Lissandra the Gate Sage is one that I can recall off hand, because I'm using her in my Planescape game ATM. :)
Also many of Faerun's powers have planar or prime proxies. Labelas's proxy from the comics, as well as Demihuman Deities, also visit's Labelas every so often. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 19 Apr 2004 19:17:48 |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 05:54:36
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Actually, no. There is tension between the Asher and the three Sinkers.
But how is that possible?. What material are you using to support the Asher sect member?.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 05:57:55
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Since I'm still waiting for the Sage's return email on this, I'll ask a question of my own -
Have members from any of the factions from Sigil ever visited Waterdeep in the past, perhaps recorded as part of an FR adventure, or reference in a sourcebook?.
Well its hard to say really because Toril is just a backwater prime world. :) But I'm sure there are planars that have come to Waterdeep. I mean the Modron March went through Undermountain at one point and some planars know about Toril, etc....
There are also many primes that have come from Toril to Sigil and the planes. Lissandra the Gate Sage is one that I can recall off hand, because I'm using her in my Planescape game ATM. :)
Also many of Faerun's powers have planar or prime proxies. Labelas's proxy from the comics, as well as Demihuman Deities, also visit's Labelas every so often.
Wasn't there also something written about a small Dustmen enclave located in one of the backstreets (or it could have been near the mortuary) of Westgate?. I think it is also written somewhere that Lissandra once visited Khelben, shortly before the events of Dead Gods.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 06:25:57
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Wasn't there also something written about a small Dustmen enclave located in one of the backstreets (or it could have been near the mortuary) of Westgate?. I think it is also written somewhere that Lissandra once visited Khelben, shortly before the events of Dead Gods.
I don't recall that group of Dustmen.... Nor do I recall any text about Lissandra visiting Khelben. I've been rereading my Planescape material from the 1st box set onwards, and I'm currently partly way through Dead Gods. I'm not saying those two thing's didn't happen but I don't recall them. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 20 Apr 2004 06:28:03 |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 06:46:01
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Maybe . . . 
Do you have all the PS material?. Maybe I can identify the sourcebook with this information if I knew what accessories you have access to.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 07:20:02
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Maybe . . .
Do you have all the PS material?. Maybe I can identify the sourcebook with this information if I knew what accessories you have access to.
Yup. Every box set, module, and sourcebook except for Hellbound and the novels. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 11:48:27
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Hmmmn . . . Well I've checked over the Sage's assorted official PS material, and still I cannot find the references that I was talking about earlier. I may as well search through most of the material he has worked on as part of the Mimir (both incarnations), Planewalker.com, and the 3e of the PS setting.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 16:13:56
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Hmmmn . . . Well I've checked over the Sage's assorted official PS material, and still I cannot find the references that I was talking about earlier. I may as well search through most of the material he has worked on as part of the Mimir (both incarnations), Planewalker.com, and the 3e of the PS setting.
I can go ask Shemeska over on the WOTC boards because you have me wondering now, since she might know.... If there is such a reference I'd like to find it. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 10:56:43
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That's probably not worth it. I talk to her semi-regularly (in another personae on the Wizards.COM Boards) anyway, and she hasn't found anything regarding these references yet.
Who would have thought that there might be something that the King of the Crosstrade doesn't know about . . .  .
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 18:23:28
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
That's probably not worth it. I talk to her semi-regularly (in another personae on the Wizards.COM Boards) anyway, and she hasn't found anything regarding these references yet.
Who would have thought that there might be something that the King of the Crosstrade doesn't know about . . . .
Well she didn't know either since I did ask her over on the WOTC Planescape boards. Strange that mistres.... er Shemmy... er Shemeska didn't know either. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 07:22:12
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I emailed the Sage last night, and he finally got back to me about those references of his. I'll hunt down his notes later today, when I get home from uni  .
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"Once upon a time the plural of 'wizard' was 'war'." -- The Last Continent, by Terry Pratchett |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 18:48:00
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
I emailed the Sage last night, and he finally got back to me about those references of his. I'll hunt down his notes later today, when I get home from uni .
Ok cool, because I've been trying to rack my brain about those two topics. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2004 : 04:52:42
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
But how is that possible?. What material are you using to support the Asher sect member?
Sorry I didn't get to this question earlier. I've been doing some work on my NWN PW, and haven't visited the topic recently. As a matter of fact, I'm using material directly off of planescape.com and planewalker.com. Can you please tell me why said tension would be impossible, Lady Kazandra? |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2004 : 07:13:37
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Historically, it has to do with how each of the sects in the Doomguard were originally created at different times within the factions evolution. If I knew which sources of information you used directly, maybe I can expand upon that.
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"Once upon a time the plural of 'wizard' was 'war'." -- The Last Continent, by Terry Pratchett |
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
USA
492 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 15:46:25
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Anyone found the source of that reference to Lissandra the Gateseeker meeting with the Blackstaff in Waterdeep? I ask because I can't find it, nor do I remember it happening. Besides, I have my self claimed crown of Planescape lore to defend here. Though if I'm wrong it was that -other- Arcanaloth in Sigil's fault... |
Shemeska the Marauder, King of the Crosstrade; voted #1 best Arcanaloth in Sigil two hundred years running by the people who know what's best for them; chant broker; prospective Sigil council member next election; and official travel agent for Chamada Holiday specials LLC.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 18:08:45
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Originally posted by Shemmy
Anyone found the source of that reference to Lissandra the Gateseeker meeting with the Blackstaff in Waterdeep? I ask because I can't find it, nor do I remember it happening. Besides, I have my self claimed crown of Planescape lore to defend here. Though if I'm wrong it was that -other- Arcanaloth in Sigil's fault...
I'm still trying to recall it but have yet to find it. :) Was hoping some one else would have mentioned it by now...... |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 13:31:59
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He's not kidding peoples. The size of the archive is pretty much why I stopped looking through it myself. There's just so much to go through.
Sage, perhaps you should considering placing some of it on your new website?.
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"Once upon a time the plural of 'wizard' was 'war'." -- The Last Continent, by Terry Pratchett |
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A Doomguard in Waterdeep?
