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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 08 May 2004 : 15:09:38
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I forgot to add the bonus spells. It's exactly the same as in the PHB, but the 0-level spells are added. It actually means you get a 0-level spell for just being able to cast 0-level spells, though. But I think orisons and cantrips are highly undervalued . . . .
Any thoughts?
If I remember correctly, wasn't this one of the aspects of this modification that we still needed to work out?.
Anyway, the way I used the charts in my campaign was under the assumption that the orisons and cantrips were indeed undervalued. So, should we just continue under that assumption or do you have another suggestion in mind?.
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 18:04:20
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After a good nights sleep and reading those charts over again carefully I believe I understand them now. So basically you just added the 0 level orisons in place of first level spells and everything got moved back, correct? So for now all this will change is my character can cast one orison per day instead of one first level spell? Thats fine with me I agree with the rest of you those orrisons/cantrips do look very useful.
One more question does my character know only one or does she know them all but can only cast one per day? |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 18:13:20
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Wow PDK I am impressed! That was very quick  What an interesting backstory for Rondell I can't wait to read more. I'm not sure how well Allison is going to get along with him but we shall see I guess she is used to the 'merchant' types from defending their boats and such but then she also knows to be very wary of them 
I agree very much so it looks like we have an awesome group shaping up here  |
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 20:19:23
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I can't believe you guys are posting your characters up here...Heheheh.
Part of the greatness of getting into a new game is finding things out about each other. If you wanna know where the little gnome came from ask him in game and let him tell you.
I ain't posting any more details than I can help. 
My character should be a complete mystery to everyone but the dms and Bookwyrm who I had to collaborate with a bit.
See aren't you folks curious now? Anticipation is fun! |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 20:25:08
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Well this is my first campaign That stuff is basic background though, it doesn't really give you her in depth characterization all of her little quirks and all of that fun stuff I'm sure will come out in due time Anyways I was excited I couldn't help but post it as I wanted to hear others opinion on my character
Yes now I am very curious about your character Artalis! I can't wait for Allison to meet him/her |
~Lee N.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 21:56:08
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Originally posted by Artalis
I can't believe you guys are posting your characters up here...Heheheh.
Part of the greatness of getting into a new game is finding things out about each other. If you wanna know where the little gnome came from ask him in game and let him tell you.
I ain't posting any more details than I can help.
My character should be a complete mystery to everyone but the dms and Bookwyrm who I had to collaborate with a bit.
See aren't you folks curious now? Anticipation is fun!
He he he... you'll notice that I have not divulged my origins (where was Rondell born, who is his father, mother? any siblings? what's his relation with the Baravar clergy? when and where does he met them, if he ever does?)
All you have seen or heard so far is his standard introduction when he visits Candlekeep (which is coincidentally the same you'll hear when you meet him in person, if your PC hasn't yet - i.e. if your PC was not in Candlekeep with him), and a page of his journal (the pages you know about will have been "carelessly" left strew about his backpack whenever he joins you all, so this info will be known to you in-character, if your PC is curious enough to peek at these loose pages... )
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 00:52:51
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Bard spells per day
0 1 2 3 4 5 6
01 2
02 3 0
03 4 1
04 4 2 0
05 4 2 1
06 5 3 2
07 5 3 2 0
08 5 3 3 1
09 5 4 3 2
10 6 4 3 2 0
11 6 4 4 3 1
12 6 4 4 3 2
13 6 5 4 3 2 0
14 6 5 4 4 3 1
15 7 5 5 4 3 2
16 7 5 5 4 3 2 0
17 7 5 5 4 4 3 1
18 7 6 5 5 4 3 2
19 7 6 5 5 4 3 2
20 8 6 6 5 4 4 3
Yikes!! this modified list culminates with 8 0-level spells at level 20, that's twice the amount found in the PHB (which goes like this: 4/4/4/4/4/4/4).
Is this really what we're going to use? is there a reason why you find the already existing PHB progression "unbalanced?" After you add your bonus spells, this list gives way too many spells to a spellcaster in my opinion, more than they could ever hope to use in one single day or hope to be able to study under one hour! (i.e. for wizards anyway) |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 07:04:15
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Well, it's up to Sage. I'll go with whatever he wants. It was mostly an idle question back when, and he liked the "natural" chart I mentioned.
Personally, I'd just be happy with just the 0-level spells getting bonus treatment, even if you "deduct" one cantrip/orison per day and "add" it to the bonus list. (Thus making no change to spells per day for characters with less than 16 in their stat.)
The multitude of spells is what made me leery of it, but Sage said above that it works. (By the way, Sage, you didn't tell me you've been using this all along! )
Sage, I'm in the middle of finals, but I'll try to get that pricing list to you. I've decided that instead of begging for more money, I'll drop the most expensive item. I'd had it on the list for so long that I didn't think of droping it until recently. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 08:13:05
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The spell modification charts as presented here by the Bookwyrm is what we will be using in this campaign, unless anybody has any particular objections.
Although,
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Personally, I'd just be happy with just the 0-level spells getting bonus treatment, even if you "deduct" one cantrip/orison per day and "add" it to the bonus list. (Thus making no change to spells per day for characters with less than 16 in their stat.)
this does have some appeal also. Perhaps I should put it to a vote then...?
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(By the way, Sage, you didn't tell me you've been using this all along! )
Sorry Bookwyrm, I thought that I had mentioned it at some point  .
I've got exams coming towards the beginning on June, which is why I'm trying to get a lot of the smaller details out of the way now. I'll most likely be less active here during that period, but we should have already began the first chapter of the adventure by then.
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2004 : 17:32:25
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I'll vote for only 0-level spells getting bonus'.
Would someone please answer my earlier question?
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So for now all this will change is my character can cast one orison per day instead of one first level spell? Thats fine with me I agree with the rest of you, those orrisons/cantrips do look very useful.
One more question does my character know only one orison or does she know them all but can only cast one per day?
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 20:34:12
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Originally posted by Wood Elf Ranger
I'll vote for only 0-level spells getting bonus'.
Would someone please answer my earlier question?
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So for now all this will change is my character can cast one orison per day instead of one first level spell? Thats fine with me I agree with the rest of you, those orrisons/cantrips do look very useful.
One more question does my character know only one orison or does she know them all but can only cast one per day?
Knows them all but can only prepare one, yes. |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 20:38:40
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| Thank you Arivia I'll ammend my character sheet straight away. |
~Lee N.
"Breaktime yes?!.. Yes?.. Maybe?.. Noo, baaack to work.." -Grovel the Goblin from NWN: HotU |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 21:18:21
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I don't blame you for that, Wood Elf, considering the new chart would be confusing to both old and new players alike, simply because it's different.
In answer to your question, yes. I moved things around, so you only cast one orison there. I think that if we limit the spell changes to the 0-level spells, that'll change. We'll see what Sage decides. |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 00:27:25
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| Not a problem just keep me updated on what it means for my character I think I'm going to go through my source books and make a complete list of Orisons and Ranger spells. Has this been done? like a very up-to-date list from all sourcebooks? If not I'll get on that from what I have info on so everyone can see what spells my character can cast in case they want her to cast something specific |
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 01:08:11
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I have some revisions in my character sheet Sage, I don't know if I should send them or wait to hear from you on the initial.
I don't want to overwhelm you with too many questions/comments/changes especially since you've been busy.
Some feedback/questions would be great though if you have any and any time to provide them.
I think I will put together a document with all of the background information and ideas in one spot if you like. I have been kind of scattered with them so far... |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 01:43:06
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Originally posted by Wood Elf Ranger
I'll vote for only 0-level spells getting bonus'.
Me too: PHB spell progression + bonus 0-level spells.
Edit: mainly for the same reasons I harped about 75% HP instead of full HPs... think of the monstaaazzzs! they're way harder and longer to bring down with full HPs or an expanded array of spells... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 06:40:11
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I think that if we limit the spell changes to the 0-level spells, that'll change. We'll see what Sage decides.
As I said previously, I'm willing to allow what has already been presented here, simply because it's the only system that's been brought forth. By now everyone should be familiar with the basics of the spell modification charts presented by the Bookwyrm, so unless we all want changes to it, it's staying as is .
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 06:46:59
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Originally posted by Artalis
I have some revisions in my character sheet Sage, I don't know if I should send them or wait to hear from you on the initial.
I don't want to overwhelm you with too many questions/comments/changes especially since you've been busy.
Some feedback/questions would be great though if you have any and any time to provide them.
I think I will put together a document with all of the background information and ideas in one spot if you like. I have been kind of scattered with them so far...
I think it will be best if you send the revisions. It will allow me to then see whether any of the aspects of your initial working have been worked out before I address them. At most, it will save time .
Don't worry too much about me being busy though, I mean, I appreciate the thought, but I have to address these issues sooner or later . I probably won't be here tomorrow as I have a full day of study planned, so I'm hoping D-brane will be here to answer any questions that arise.
On a slightly-related note, the Lady Kazandra is now up and about, and is slowly working her way back into her regular schedule. I'm sure it won't be long until we see her return here as well, to help in getting things started.
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2004 : 07:56:27
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Originally posted by The Sage
On a slightly-related note, the Lady Kazandra is now up and about, and is slowly working her way back into her regular schedule. I'm sure it won't be long until we see her return here as well, to help in getting things started.
That's fantastic! I think it is safe to speak for everyone in saying we wish her the best of recoveries and are very glad to hear that she is doing better.
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 07:58:56
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The only impact the new spell progression has for my character is that I lost one bard cantrip known to me. I'll gladly sacrifice Know Direction in return for the future benefits this spell progression offers.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 08:02:24
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| That's good news! tell her to come make a few posts over here: we miss her! |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 08:04:55
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Originally posted by The Sage
By now everyone should be familiar with the basics of the spell modification charts presented by the Bookwyrm, so unless we all want changes to it, it's staying as is .
I just happened to realize that I may have been in error since the very beginning: is this campaign 3.5 or 2nd edition? That may explain why I'm so hopelessly confused with the character creation guidelines so far!  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 08:42:23
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The campaign is in 3.5e PDK. I also have a 2e PbEM campaign running at the moment with a few players in the UK. If you're interested, let me know because the campaign will shortly be taking on two new characters.
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 09:29:25
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From looking at PDK's character posted on page 9 of this thread, I'd hazard to guess that it was created using 3.5's rules vs. 2e.
I think he may simply be confused by the modified spell list, which I believe is intended for use with 3.5's rules.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 14:55:41
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Originally posted by The Sage
The campaign is in 3.5e PDK. I also have a 2e PbEM campaign running at the moment with a few players in the UK. If you're interested, let me know because the campaign will shortly be taking on two new characters.
Absolutely! aside from the fact that I *just* sold my 2ed PHB (6 months ago), I still have all my 2ed FR sourcebooks, Planescape stuff, and "Complete Handbooks of Everything!" |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 10 May 2004 : 14:57:49
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Originally posted by Sarta
From looking at PDK's character posted on page 9 of this thread, I'd hazard to guess that it was created using 3.5's rules vs. 2e.
Yes it was.
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Originally posted by Sarta
I think he may simply be confused by the modified spell list, which I believe is intended for use with 3.5's rules.
Sarta
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 02:38:02
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Rondell Rivenstone's Journal, Volume III
5 Leaffal 1371 DR -- Baldur's Gate? nay: Viper's Nest!!
"This has been fruitless. I should have heeded the words of the Sly One and not trust this human blindly: I paid good gold to have this fool introduce me to the proper people, but he obviously did not take me seriously... oh well. This will be the last time he repeats this mistake with a member of our "Forgotten Folk" (won't be "Forgotten" for a long time in his case, he he he, assuming he values the rest of his reputation: after the fool thought me fooled, I followed invisible and had buzzing fly illusions circle him during his oh-so "important next meeting", followed of course by profuse feverish sweats and with the unexpected grand finale: proper soiling of his pants - front and rear. Showing so apparently sick to this meeting will undoubtedly make his future partners reconsider putting money in this fool's hands. He he he: his increasing panic made the trick look even more realistic).
One would think that the attraction of a nigh endless supply of marvelous gnomish alchemical goods (at very low prices!) would have been enough to awaken one of these lumbering city-dwelling dillweeds to notice the Winding Water potential, let alone the fact that a trade reprensative was available to discuss the opportunity with them! But no! let's import nothing but raw materials for fear of slighting the all-too-numerous guilds and associations within these blasted walls; let's make sure everyone keeps getting a proper cut of the pie; let's not bring in new, ready-to-use products; let's keep sprawling ourselves over the boundaries of the walls to build new shops; worst of all, let's not trust gnomes to their own devices, as they can't possibly commit to deliver goods without the supervision of a proper human partner!! Despite the fact that this representative comes with the backing of every village elder!! Pirsnicketty rakkat-nik-NIK!! Lakmathh-MATHH!!rhhrrruuu-RRHI-RA! (yes, the badger-speech is the best way to describe how a gnome can feel, alone in Baldur's Grave...)
I would readily curse the place was it not of the presence of Nebelun's Hall of Wonders... ah... that place always makes my journey a wee bit easier. Lot's of good gnomish souls there, often graced by their Lantanese relatives if I don't make it there too late in the fall.
Oh well. Spent the whole year carting on the shores of the Chionthar, so my run is over. Sometimes I winter here, but not this time... not anymore methinks. I'll ride north and try to make it to the nearest gnome settlement on the Winding Water. After the winter I'm intending to take Stolig's raft back upriver, then head straight south to Elturel, spend a week or two there, then straight to the finish for Gullykin. After talking to the elders there, I hope I'll have enough to sway some people in Candlekeep. Hopefully the humans there are more open to matters of my fellow gnomes' survival: may I find a star diopside or a zarbrina gem amidst their common rabble of bland, unimaginative pebbles."
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Lysander
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 02:45:17
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Originally posted by MuadDib
Well, after reading this whole thread, I just have to say, this is all WAY out of my league.
Would it be possible to arrange for me and any other total newbies to watch? It could really help us learn, and furthermore it sounds like a damn interesting campaign
Having never played a 3E game (much less a 3.5E!) nor a PBEM, I'd like to second the motion to watch, if it's possible.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2004 : 07:56:44
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Your motion is granted Lysander, and your name has been added to the so-called "Lurkers List". If you are not particular about spoilers, I would suggest that you pay a visit to the second link in my signature. It provides some information about some upcoming aspects of the campaign.
Who knows, you may have a few ideas yourself...
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 May 2004 : 10:38:56
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Okie-dokie: I'll modify my stat block to the expanded, over-generous Bookwyrm option!
 Why does that make me wince?
Oh, yeah. Brings to mind the "m"-word.  Oh well, I knew it would seem that way.
Sage, what ever happened to the Lady, exactly? You never told us. |
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