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Sightless
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 Posted - 30 May 2012 : 23:58:53
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by Sightless
It's a prosses of logical argumentation, by which the prosses of conclusion follos from primace. Saying high elven magic is the way of an event in of itself, is not an argumentation in any form.
-That's limiting the High Magic artificially. It need not be only an singular event, as we see in the case of Baelnorn, mythals and other effects.
There's a lot I can say here, but I wont. Instead, I'm going to ask you for a favor, it's a simple one really; explain?
If you can come up with an explanation for the statement given above; I can only state that I shall listen with an open mind and admit that there's a possibility that you might be right, although at the moment, I can't see how the statement stands. |
We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 00:58:00
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I would've thought the same, although the elven way (as I see it) doesn't involve "human" notions like magical elixirs and books, elves would somehow commune with and transfer their aging to an immortal tree/garden, or live within the "ageless zone" created by a mythal (incidentally, Myth Drannor had this effect).
They interact with humans (often in disguise) to have learned of such way to immortality.
Undeath and lichdom used to be a strange notion to them. But their exposure to the 'outside world' rectified that.
Still, I don't why they would resort to undeath, when much of their magic is linked to the magic of life. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 02:45:19
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Originally posted by Sightless
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by Sightless
It's a prosses of logical argumentation, by which the prosses of conclusion follos from primace. Saying high elven magic is the way of an event in of itself, is not an argumentation in any form.
-That's limiting the High Magic artificially. It need not be only an singular event, as we see in the case of Baelnorn, mythals and other effects.
There's a lot I can say here, but I wont. Instead, I'm going to ask you for a favor, it's a simple one really; explain?
If you can come up with an explanation for the statement given above; I can only state that I shall listen with an open mind and admit that there's a possibility that you might be right, although at the moment, I can't see how the statement stands.
-The physical act of casting an Elven High Magic spell is not the end of it (like various other spells). In terms of Baelnorn, the magic continues perpetuating and "fueling" the creature, as it continues perpetuating and "fueling" a mythal, and other things. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerûn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerûn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 May 2012 : 14:53:45
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by Sightless
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by Sightless
It's a prosses of logical argumentation, by which the prosses of conclusion follos from primace. Saying high elven magic is the way of an event in of itself, is not an argumentation in any form.
-That's limiting the High Magic artificially. It need not be only an singular event, as we see in the case of Baelnorn, mythals and other effects.
There's a lot I can say here, but I wont. Instead, I'm going to ask you for a favor, it's a simple one really; explain?
If you can come up with an explanation for the statement given above; I can only state that I shall listen with an open mind and admit that there's a possibility that you might be right, although at the moment, I can't see how the statement stands.
-The physical act of casting an Elven High Magic spell is not the end of it (like various other spells). In terms of Baelnorn, the magic continues perpetuating and "fueling" the creature, as it continues perpetuating and "fueling" a mythal, and other things.
So it is with positive energy and soul magic. However, what you said doesn't actually answer my question.
Let me phrase it this way then:
How does delinating a process by which something occurs by which "high Magic" is the catalist, or tool, or form, depending on how it is used, limit the nature of that magic?
On the surfice it is similar to saying that describing how particles works limits the nature of energy flow, which in science it doesn't. Does my question make more sense now? Let's begin again, shall we. |
We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Lord Karsus
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Sightless
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 00:12:28
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This might be an issue of my screen-reader, but I don’t quite understand what you are asking here. Let me take a stabe at it though, and you can tell me if I am kind of on the mark, or way out there. Let’s take spellfire for a moment, to my knowledge it’s a powerful energy force, that represents either some of the weave in it’s rawest form, or some of Mystra’s power given to mortles. I don’t have access to Elmenster the making of a mage, or the Temptation at the moment, but I seem to remember it as the former over the latter. Now, holding that as our Primace A, that Spellfire is indeed power given by Mystra, we can see that the catalyst for it is that is a devine power, that is capable of being used as a catalyst to bring about varying results. Let’s look at one of those for a moment.
In the Temptation of Elmenster, El, gets frozen place, only to have the spell broken by a group of adventurers. As he’s coming back down from hanging in mid-air, beholder eyes start shotting at him. He then uses Spellfire to perform to actions, the first is to destroy the beholder eyes, in this case it serves as an extremely potent magical force, not unlike very intense magical fire; he also, if I remember correctly, uses it to heal himself from the damage he’d taken from the beholders.
Now, let’s look at what we have hear. We have a magical force, which we can describe where it comes from; we can describe elements of it’s nature; we can see it’s form as a point by which something is being done, and even to some extent how it does it. Is this complete? Not hardly, but it’s a line of demarcation, delination, argumentation. Now, if, using my example, Ed had just said it was done with spellfire, then I’d have the same issue that I’ve already raised with “high magic”. Do you understand what I am getting at now, just a little?
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We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 02:47:43
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-Alright, as long as Spellfire and/or Silverfire, also "basic" magical energies, are in the same category as Elven High Magic.
-Ultimatley, it comes down to preference, or detail. I don't see anything inherently problematic with something as generic as 'magical energy', or whatever else we can call it, being the most basic fuel powering Undead, or other spells/items/creatures. You do. C'est la vie. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerûn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerûn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 03:10:51
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No. No, I don't have a problem with elven "high magic " powering undead. I said as much, several times in fact. What my problem is saying that "high magic" is it and the end of it.
And frankly I don't see how I can say this any otherway where you can see it. |
We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Can the unholy dead be saved?
