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Lady Swiftstrike Assassin
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 Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 07:31:06
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That is the most inclusive, Dennis. Since 4e is the summation of all previous editions, to say one like "all" Realms iterations would be to say that one prefers 4e.
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Originally posted by Dennis
3E and 4E. But since I can only vote one, I'd go with the latter. I like where the Realms is at right now...
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 07:42:57
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| Acceptance and preference are not equal qualifiers. You're attempting to manipulate statements with false dichotomy. |
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Lady Swiftstrike Assassin
Seeker
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Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 07:50:40
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I'm not. But you are certainly free to hold those views!
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Acceptance and preference are not equal qualifiers. You're attempting to manipulate statements with false dichotomy.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 08:02:55
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Ah, I confess that I've never actually played the Baldur's Gate CRPGs. Would you consider VGtBG2 "canon" Realmslore, applicable to the tabletop setting?
It's written by Ed, so it's canon Realmslore. [And I recall him declaring as such, in a previous "Questions for Ed Greenwood" scroll.] |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 08:24:56
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lol, well Ed's written many things (his Niflheim novels, for example) which are not Realmslore.
But I'll still accept this Volo's Guide as worthy of adding to my collection, since it comes highly recommended. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 09:10:24
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Originally posted by Ayrik
lol, well Ed's written many things (his Niflheim novels, for example) which are not Realmslore.
Well, it's a Realms product written by Ed... so it's canon Ed/Relamslore.  |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 09:43:19
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Originally posted by Lady Swiftstrike Assassin
That is the most inclusive, Dennis. Since 4e is the summation of all previous editions, to say one like "all" Realms iterations would be to say that one prefers 4e.
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Originally posted by Dennis
3E and 4E. But since I can only vote one, I'd go with the latter. I like where the Realms is at right now...
Not necessarily. But I get your point.
My "ideal" Realms is a combination of everything I like about each edition, and a few additions here and there... |
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D-brane
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
140 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 08:24:36
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I really think this poll should be a little more discriminatory with the choices of edition.
For example, I love the 2nd Edition Forgotten Realms purely for the lore. But I think the 4th Edition Realms offers greater campaign potential by resetting (not sure that's quite the right word for it) the overall world and almost starting over fresh.
So I'm tied between 2nd and 4th Edition.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 12:27:07
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Originally posted by Ayrik
lol, well Ed's written many things (his Niflheim novels, for example) which are not Realmslore.
But I'll still accept this Volo's Guide as worthy of adding to my collection, since it comes highly recommended.
I have added Ed's Niflheim books to my Realms. They are my Dark Elves.
I hate D&D Drow with a passion.
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thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
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Lady Shadowflame
Learned Scribe
115 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 12:52:04
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Originally posted by Lady Swiftstrike Assassin
That is the most inclusive, Dennis. Since 4e is the summation of all previous editions, to say one like "all" Realms iterations would be to say that one prefers 4e.
Hmmm... Nope! 4E retcons stuff. You can accept those retcons enough to like it while still not thinking it is the sum total of all things previously done - which it cannot be, due to the retcons.
Plus 'like' and 'prefer' are not the same. |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
730 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 14:17:58
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I have Volo's Guides to ...
All Things Magical ( )
Cormyr
Waterdeep ( )
the Dalelands
the North
the Sword Coast
I'd never heard of Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate (I or II)  ... thanx, I shall add them to my shopping list forthwith!
There was no Volo's Guide to the first BG CRPG, beyond what was included in the gaming manuals for that game. The VGtBGII, however, was published as a supplement of sorts to the second game, and focused primarily on Amn, Tethyr, and some of the surrounding environs, though very briefly.
You can learn a little more, here:- http://www.candlekeep.com/bookshelf/products/11626.htm
Had no idea of that, I should have gotten that back in my BG2 hours of gaming, mmmm, feeling nostalgic right now, I think I'm gonna install a couple of BG games....  |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4438 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 14:21:42
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Originally posted by Lady Shadowflame
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Originally posted by Lady Swiftstrike Assassin
That is the most inclusive, Dennis. Since 4e is the summation of all previous editions, to say one like "all" Realms iterations would be to say that one prefers 4e.
Hmmm... Nope! 4E retcons stuff. You can accept those retcons enough to like it while still not thinking it is the sum total of all things previously done - which it cannot be, due to the retcons.
Plus 'like' and 'prefer' are not the same.
Which is applied to 3E or 2E stuff (or was the Realms introduced during 2E's period?) as well. And I too think prefer and like are two different aspects. I like 3E and 3E-Forgotten Realms, but given the choice of 3E or 4E FR, I'd prefer 4E. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 14:41:26
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Ayrik
lol, well Ed's written many things (his Niflheim novels, for example) which are not Realmslore.
Well, it's a Realms product written by Ed... so it's canon Ed/Relamslore.
it is? Because Ed wrote it, or does it have some sneaky way of linking in to realms material? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 15:07:48
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Originally posted by scererar
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Ayrik
lol, well Ed's written many things (his Niflheim novels, for example) which are not Realmslore.
Well, it's a Realms product written by Ed... so it's canon Ed/Relamslore.
it is? Because Ed wrote it, or does it have some sneaky way of linking in to realms material?
Ed told me it was largely due to the fact that, like previous volumes in the Volo's Guide series, it provided detailed coverage on a portion of the Realms. It was about having less to do with the events of the CRPG, by instead providing more campaign material like a traditional Realms sourcebook. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 16:11:45
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| I've never played any of the Baldur's Gate games, and I'd still tell people to get Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II. I think the name was linked to the game to sell more books -- I've not seen anything in that book to make me think I needed to play that game to get more use out of the book. If the book even references game content, I'm not aware of it. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 16:51:48
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Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II really is just exactly like any other regular Volo Guide, it really doesn't help for playing the computer game (except for the fun factor of reading about various places). That said, it's immensely cool and helpful for playing the tabletop PnP Forgotten Realms in that region. BUT - as others have said - it has nothing to do with Baldur's Gate. It's really a guide to Athkatla and the surrounding region.
The Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate "I" (which doesn't have the "I") is imbedded in the middle of the Baldur's Gate I game manual. Technically, it's not a separate book at all, it's just a section titled that way in the manual. It has several fun pages of lore about the region, written in typical Volo style, but then the manual ends with in-game spells, etc. Truth be told, it's not absolutely necessary to play the game either, unless you're completely brand new to computer RPGs.
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 17:43:30
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the fact that 2ed is winning doesnt suprise me.
mind you I could nit pick about all of them, but most would be rule gripes that were changed later on....
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 00:55:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've never played any of the Baldur's Gate games, and I'd still tell people to get Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II. I think the name was linked to the game to sell more books -- I've not seen anything in that book to make me think I needed to play that game to get more use out of the book. If the book even references game content, I'm not aware of it.
It doesn't reference the games to any specific degree. It's just what we've all come to expect from good and wholesome Realmslore written by Ed -- a sourcebook focusing on a particular region of the Realms which just also happens to be the setting for some popular CRPGs. |
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MalariaMoon
Learned Scribe
324 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 01:06:14
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| I'd choose 2nd edition for the quality, depth and breadth of the lore, and 3.5 edition for the ruleset |
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
261 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 02:35:45
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| I'm with MalariaMoon, I like the lore the best from 2nd edition, but use the 3.5 rules for whichever time frame our current game is in. |
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
261 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 02:38:08
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| the poll would have been better if it had stated what they were looking for. do they want to know if people prefer the lore of one edition over the other or the rules because there is a big difference. I have not voted because I don't know which they are looking for. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 05:57:04
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Originally posted by rjfras
the poll would have been better if it had stated what they were looking for. do they want to know if people prefer the lore of one edition over the other or the rules because there is a big difference. I have not voted because I don't know which they are looking for.
Another excellent point. I myself find workable lore in every edition, but lorewise, my preferred edition is 2E. Rules-wise, 3.5 or Pathfinder, though I grew up in 2E and still think in 2E terms. |
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 06:58:58
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I like 4th edition rules better.
I don't like the changes to the Forgotten Realms they made.
But I can play 4th edition in the past or my own future that I construct myself. |
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Ozreth
Learned Scribe
188 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 07:14:36
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| Meh, I would have chosen both 2e and 3e but that wasn't an option, so I chose 2e. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 08:32:05
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| This poll would likely produce very different results on the Wizards boards. |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 11:16:27
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Originally posted by Ayrik
This poll would likely produce very different results on the Wizards boards.
Just like politics, it's all in where you get your samples from. Candlekeep is decidedly against content from 1470 DR+ (see, I didn't use an edition! ). This isn't to say everyone that visits here thinks the same--because they don't. But the overall negative demeanor towards 1470 DR+ is boldly contrasted against content prior. |
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Lady Swiftstrike Assassin
Seeker
73 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 12:25:50
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I hope that all the great content in the pipeline will change these views!
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Originally posted by Matt James
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Originally posted by Ayrik
This poll would likely produce very different results on the Wizards boards.
Just like politics, it's all in where you get your samples from. Candlekeep is decidedly against content from 1470 DR+ (see, I didn't use an edition! ). This isn't to say everyone that visits here thinks the same--because they don't. But the overall negative demeanor towards 1470 DR+ is boldly contrasted against content prior.
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Imp
Learned Scribe
231 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 12:34:19
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| Why are you shouting?! |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 13:58:33
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| Need to add 5E to the poll... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2012 : 14:12:38
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It's not released yet. So I don't see why it should be included. |
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The 4e Forgotten Realms
