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Shadowaxe
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 17:45:29
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neversfall is great.and i must mention darkwalker on moonshae.that cover sucked me in 24 years ago and hasnt let go.
DoM - I agree, and Pools of Darkness and Azure Bonds - but these choices are also probably tainted by a sense of nostalgia!
Otherwise, Fall of Highwatch for me!
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 23:17:07
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| i found i enjoyed the the really old covers and the newer covers.there were some truly horrible covers in the mid to late 90s.faces of deception anybody. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 23:24:46
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Originally posted by swifty
i found i enjoyed the the really old covers and the newer covers.there were some truly horrible covers in the mid to late 90s.faces of deception anybody.
I thought the cover of Faces of Deception was fine; Fred Fields was the artist after all...it just wasn't as attention-grabbing as Darkwalker on Moonshae or Darkwell. |
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Seabus Mythforger
Seeker
76 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2011 : 06:21:52
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| I'm a sucker for Todd Lockwood covers (namely the Hunters Blades and Transitions covers). I think the cover for The Elminster Ascending Omnibus was pretty cool too as well as Elminster Must Die and Bury Elminster Deep. Also the covers for The Last Mythal books are cool too. And for that "nostalgia" feel I have to go with The Year of Rogue Dragons...there's just something about giant rampaging dragons on a cover that bleeds fantastic awesomeness! |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2011 : 21:48:00
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Originally posted by Seabus Mythforger
I'm a sucker for Todd Lockwood covers (namely the Hunters Blades and Transitions covers). I think the cover for The Elminster Ascending Omnibus was pretty cool too as well as Elminster Must Die and Bury Elminster Deep. Also the covers for The Last Mythal books are cool too. And for that "nostalgia" feel I have to go with The Year of Rogue Dragons...there's just something about giant rampaging dragons on a cover that bleeds fantastic awesomeness!
I like most of Lockwood's stuff but what bothers me is that his dragons all look like relatives of each other. Variety man! |
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Seabus Mythforger
Seeker
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Posted - 28 Sep 2011 : 01:55:00
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Seabus Mythforger
I'm a sucker for Todd Lockwood covers (namely the Hunters Blades and Transitions covers). I think the cover for The Elminster Ascending Omnibus was pretty cool too as well as Elminster Must Die and Bury Elminster Deep. Also the covers for The Last Mythal books are cool too. And for that "nostalgia" feel I have to go with The Year of Rogue Dragons...there's just something about giant rampaging dragons on a cover that bleeds fantastic awesomeness!
I like most of Lockwood's stuff but what bothers me is that his dragons all look like relatives of each other. Variety man!
Yeah, Lockwood does have a way of making dragons look alike. I have all these images of the dragons in my head (that I'm sure most would probably disagree with, lol) but he could stand a bit of variety.
*On another note, I love the cover for the new Drizzt book "Neverwinter"! It's amazing! I haven't had the chance to read up that far yet (just recently finished the Hunter's Blades) but it looks really good with the classic fight between Drizzt and Entreri on the front. |
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Nilus Reynard
Learned Scribe
Canada
137 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 13:00:59
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Joran Nobleheart
Senior Scribe
USA
495 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 13:08:54
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My favorite cover art was actually Elfshadow. I loved the colors, and the book is actually my favorite Forgotten Realms novel to read when I am wanting to get into the mood for DMing or playing. It makes me build characters that explore. To me, the best Realms story ever written, along with Evermeet, and a beautiful piece of art on the cover.
The covers for the Liriel books, however, just never appealed to me. I see drow being beautiful and exotic, but those covers fail to deliver that to me. Luckily the stories inside deliver all of that and more.  |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 14:36:08
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Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart
My favorite cover art was actually Elfshadow. I loved the colors, and the book is actually my favorite Forgotten Realms novel to read when I am wanting to get into the mood for DMing or playing. It makes me build characters that explore. To me, the best Realms story ever written, along with Evermeet, and a beautiful piece of art on the cover.
The covers for the Liriel books, however, just never appealed to me. I see drow being beautiful and exotic, but those covers fail to deliver that to me. Luckily the stories inside deliver all of that and more.
I also enjoyed many of the older covers because they reminded me of gaming. |
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Clad In Shadows
Learned Scribe
Canada
158 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 18:48:35
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart
My favorite cover art was actually Elfshadow. I loved the colors, and the book is actually my favorite Forgotten Realms novel to read when I am wanting to get into the mood for DMing or playing. It makes me build characters that explore. To me, the best Realms story ever written, along with Evermeet, and a beautiful piece of art on the cover.
The covers for the Liriel books, however, just never appealed to me. I see drow being beautiful and exotic, but those covers fail to deliver that to me. Luckily the stories inside deliver all of that and more.
I also enjoyed many of the older covers because they reminded me of gaming.
I do feel that older realms covers definitely wear their "paper and dice games" aspect on their sleeves a lot more than recent covers. Not so much with the new covers. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36968 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 19:03:55
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Originally posted by Clad In Shadows
I do feel that older realms covers definitely wear their "paper and dice games" aspect on their sleeves a lot more than recent covers. Not so much with the new covers.
In my opinion, some of the more recent novel covers are going for the "Good luck figuring out what this is!" aspect.  |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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3131 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 20:41:17
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Clad In Shadows
I do feel that older realms covers definitely wear their "paper and dice games" aspect on their sleeves a lot more than recent covers. Not so much with the new covers.
In my opinion, some of the more recent novel covers are going for the "Good luck figuring out what this is!" aspect.
Yes, the many of the new covers are WAY to busy for my liking. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36968 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 21:10:42
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Clad In Shadows
I do feel that older realms covers definitely wear their "paper and dice games" aspect on their sleeves a lot more than recent covers. Not so much with the new covers.
In my opinion, some of the more recent novel covers are going for the "Good luck figuring out what this is!" aspect.
Yes, the many of the new covers are WAY to busy for my liking.
Even some of the ones that aren't busy have left me scratching my head... I really do not like the current art style, to the point it's kept me from buying FR novels.
I know you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover, but the cover art is the hook that gets me to pick up the book and look at the back blurb. I got into BattleTech purely because of the Daishi on the cover of Way of the Clans -- the art grabbed me, and made me look at the back cover blurb, which sounded interesting. Without that artwork, I never would have read those 70+ novels, bought a few dozen BattleTech minis, or bought tons of BTech sourcebooks.
You get my attention with the cover art, and sell me the book with the blurb. If the art fails in its job, the blurb (and actual content) are irrelevant. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 21:25:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You get my attention with the cover art, and sell me the book with the blurb. If the art fails in its job, the blurb (and actual content) are irrelevant.
I never would have been a fan of Feist if I'd judged his novels by their covers. Most of the first editions have terrible covers, most prominent of which is Shards of a Broken Crown. My 8-year old sister could draw better than that. So, no, I don't normally judge a novel by the covert art. It's usually by the blurb. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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3131 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 21:28:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Clad In Shadows
I do feel that older realms covers definitely wear their "paper and dice games" aspect on their sleeves a lot more than recent covers. Not so much with the new covers.
In my opinion, some of the more recent novel covers are going for the "Good luck figuring out what this is!" aspect.
Yes, the many of the new covers are WAY to busy for my liking.
Even some of the ones that aren't busy have left me scratching my head... I really do not like the current art style, to the point it's kept me from buying FR novels.
I know you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover, but the cover art is the hook that gets me to pick up the book and look at the back blurb. I got into BattleTech purely because of the Daishi on the cover of Way of the Clans -- the art grabbed me, and made me look at the back cover blurb, which sounded interesting. Without that artwork, I never would have read those 70+ novels, bought a few dozen BattleTech minis, or bought tons of BTech sourcebooks.
You get my attention with the cover art, and sell me the book with the blurb. If the art fails in its job, the blurb (and actual content) are irrelevant.
If i judged a book by its cover then i would never have picked up the Song of Fire and Ice series by George R R Martin. TERRIBLE covers. Fantasy book covers should be amazing considering the vast array of content found within. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 01:44:48
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You get my attention with the cover art, and sell me the book with the blurb. If the art fails in its job, the blurb (and actual content) are irrelevant.
I rarely look to the cover art as part of my decision process for buying a book. It's the blurb and the first few pages of the book that I'll look to instead. If I'm intrigued by what I've just read [I am, after all, one of those customers who will browse for long periods before I purchase {much to the frustration of the shopkeepers}], I'll make the purchase confident that I've made the right choice. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36968 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 04:33:58
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The cover art isn't part of the buying process, it's the thing that makes me pick up the book in the first place. If I don't know the author/series, and it's not something that's been recommended to me, then it's got to be something that stands out from the hundreds of other books on the shelf. If the cover art doesn't stand out, and I've got no other reason to pay attention to Random Book #31,417, then I'm not picking it up to look at the back cover blurb.
The blurb sells the book, but it's the art that makes me want to look at the blurb. Get my attention, then get my interest. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 04:47:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
If I don't know the author/series, and it's not something that's been recommended to me, then it's got to be something that stands out from the hundreds of other books on the shelf. If the cover art doesn't stand out, and I've got no other reason to pay attention to Random Book #31,417, then I'm not picking it up to look at the back cover blurb.
In those instances, I look to the title, and then, I'll look at the cover art. If I'm intrigued by the title, I'll consider the cover art [always bearing in mind that what's presented on the cover isn't necessarily what I'll find in the book itself]. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
8035 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 06:39:09
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The worst, in my mind, is when I pick up a book that - only after reading about five chapters - turns out to be the second book of the fifth trilogy in the third saga of the second Intercosmic Grand Historical Archive Cycle. I am sometimes angered that nobody bothered to mention any of that anywhere on the covers, blurbs, or inset pages. Like I wanna start my reading in the middle of an endless series.
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... and just to add insult: quite often the first four trilogies are no longer in print, nor available at libraries nor even secondhand. As often as not they only existed during a brief window in time, so brief that not even the most avid fans possess them all, and they no longer circulate anywhere on our planet - no matter how essential their background reading might be in the context of the latest novel currently on shelf. Grrr. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 14:30:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The cover art isn't part of the buying process, it's the thing that makes me pick up the book in the first place. If I don't know the author/series, and it's not something that's been recommended to me, then it's got to be something that stands out from the hundreds of other books on the shelf. If the cover art doesn't stand out, and I've got no other reason to pay attention to Random Book #31,417, then I'm not picking it up to look at the back cover blurb.
The blurb sells the book, but it's the art that makes me want to look at the blurb. Get my attention, then get my interest.
Agreed. The title is also important to me. If it doesn't stick out and grab my attention then it has a good chance of being passed over for something else. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 15:19:13
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Indeed. For me, the title counts as much as the blurb. Given that as often the case, the author is given freedom to choose his novel's title, I must say that a boring title bodes a boring story. |
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Seabus Mythforger
Seeker
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 19:19:31
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Originally posted by Ayrik
The worst, in my mind, is when I pick up a book that - only after reading about five chapters - turns out to be the second book of the fifth trilogy in the third saga of the second Intercosmic Grand Historical Archive Cycle. I am sometimes angered that nobody bothered to mention any of that anywhere on the covers, blurbs, or inset pages. Like I wanna start my reading in the middle of an endless series.
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... and just to add insult: quite often the first four trilogies are no longer in print, nor available at libraries nor even secondhand. As often as not they only existed during a brief window in time, so brief that not even the most avid fans possess them all, and they no longer circulate anywhere on our planet - no matter how essential their background reading might be in the context of the latest novel currently on shelf. Grrr.
I completely agree!! It's part of why I haven't read many of the Star Wars novels. All my friends tell me they're fantastic and that I should get on it but I don't wanna jump in on the 2nd trilogy after the 6th movie partway through the 3rd rebellion. It would just piss me off.
On another note...for me it's the combination of the cover art, the title and the blurb. If I see something with a cool looking cover I'll pick it up and read the title. Usually if the title and the cover art don't mesh well I don't even make it to the blurb but if I like the art and the title and the blurb I'll usually read the introduction and the prologue before I actually buy the book. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36968 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 19:44:00
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Originally posted by Seabus Mythforger
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Originally posted by Ayrik
The worst, in my mind, is when I pick up a book that - only after reading about five chapters - turns out to be the second book of the fifth trilogy in the third saga of the second Intercosmic Grand Historical Archive Cycle. I am sometimes angered that nobody bothered to mention any of that anywhere on the covers, blurbs, or inset pages. Like I wanna start my reading in the middle of an endless series.
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... and just to add insult: quite often the first four trilogies are no longer in print, nor available at libraries nor even secondhand. As often as not they only existed during a brief window in time, so brief that not even the most avid fans possess them all, and they no longer circulate anywhere on our planet - no matter how essential their background reading might be in the context of the latest novel currently on shelf. Grrr.
I completely agree!! It's part of why I haven't read many of the Star Wars novels. All my friends tell me they're fantastic and that I should get on it but I don't wanna jump in on the 2nd trilogy after the 6th movie partway through the 3rd rebellion. It would just piss me off.
On another note...for me it's the combination of the cover art, the title and the blurb. If I see something with a cool looking cover I'll pick it up and read the title. Usually if the title and the cover art don't mesh well I don't even make it to the blurb but if I like the art and the title and the blurb I'll usually read the introduction and the prologue before I actually buy the book.
I've read the Timothy Zahn books, which start shortly after Return of the Jedi. They do an excellent job of capturing the feel of the Classic Trilogy. Can't speak on any other SW books, though, except for I, Jedi (which I read because I like Stackpole). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 01:36:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've read the Timothy Zahn books, which start shortly after Return of the Jedi. They do an excellent job of capturing the feel of the Classic Trilogy. Can't speak on any other SW books, though, except for I, Jedi (which I read because I like Stackpole).
It's often been said that if/when Lucas ever pens screenplays for SW films following the Classic Trilogy, that Zahn should be brought on-board to assist.
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 06:04:31
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| I haven't read Stackpole since ye olde BattleTech days. I recall his writing style was exceedingly contrived, dull, predictable, and plodding. Then again Stackpole may have changed in the intervening decades, and I know that I certainly have. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 06:13:40
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Stackpole's SW novels aren't too bad, but they do also tend to follow his usual and predictable paths of characterisation that he's well-known for in BT fiction.
Having said that, I will note that I've enjoyed his old authored "X-Wing" comic books for Dark Horse Publishers. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 15:15:50
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Originally posted by Dennis
Indeed. For me, the title counts as much as the blurb. Given that as often the case, the author is given freedom to choose his novel's title, I must say that a boring title bodes a boring story.
Interestingly, in my experience, I find that the title of my books is most heavily edited throughout the process. If I felt "free" to determine my title, then all of my books would probably have different titles than they do.
This is not to say that I dislike my titles--quite the opposite. Only that my editor factored heavily into giving them the titles they have. The only one of my novels that had the same title from pitch to publication was Ghostwalker.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 15:39:56
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I have the impression Richard is given such "freedom." I heard he was the one who chose The Masked Witches as the title of his up and coming Brotherhood of the Griffon novel. And I must say that title is quite interesting.
And Ed is, too, I guess. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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3131 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 16:28:17
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Originally posted by Dennis
I have the impression Richard is given such "freedom." I heard he was the one who chose The Masked Witches as the title of his up and coming Brotherhood of the Griffon novel. And I must say that title is quite interesting.
And Ed is, too, I guess.
I am probably going to start the Malazan Book of the Fallen series...and have noticed that those covers are great. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 17:46:34
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My purpose in posting that earlier was just to suggest that authors may or may not get to determine their titles. Often, it's one of the things the editor will point out and tweak.
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Originally posted by Dennis
I have the impression Richard is given such "freedom." I heard he was the one who chose The Masked Witches as the title of his up and coming Brotherhood of the Griffon novel. And I must say that title is quite interesting.
And Ed is, too, I guess.
My situation might also have to do with having written books that are tied-in to other standalone series. Ghostwalker was part of a series named after prestige classes. Downshadow had to conform to the naming convention they had for the Ed Greenwood Presents series, which is neighborhood/setting sorts of names. Now that I'm writing a series of my own (similar to what RLB is doing), I'm finding more freedom to name my books. Shadowbane and Eye of Justice were my original titles.
Maybe I'm mostly thinking of my original title for Depths of Madness, which is very different from what it ended up being. Not that I have any complaints--I do rather like the final title.
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