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 Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 11:17:50
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Harry Potter has wizards??
Hagrid: You're a wizard, Harry. |
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 12:20:03
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Harry Potter has wizards??
Hagrid: You're a wizard, Harry.
Harry: Not true, Hagrid. I can only cast minor cantrips.
You must not have met Voldemort, whose Horcruxes are like Aumvor's multiple phylacteries. [And I suggest you read all the posts in this thread, starting from page 1, so you get the bigger, brighter picture]. |
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Drakul
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 12:48:54
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Harry Potter has wizards??
Hagrid: You're a wizard, Harry.
Harry: Not true, Hagrid. I can only cast minor cantrips.
You must not have met Voldemort, whose Horcruxes are like Aumvor's multiple phylacteries. [And I suggest you read all the posts in this thread, starting from page 1, so you get the bigger, brighter picture].
Don't need to read the entire thread. The 'wizards' from Harry Potter are wannabes compared to actual wizards. I mean, if Danilo Thann were to go against Voldemort, I would put my money on Danilo. If Voldemort were to go against Gromph, all Gromph would have to do is sneeze on Voldemort and he's gone. Bottom line is that a D&D wizard or sorcerer would mop the floor with a 'wizard' from Harry Potter. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 12:53:46
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I hope you've already read the entire HP series before coming to such [bizarre] conclusion. |
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Drakul
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 13:03:48
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I hope you've already read the entire HP series before coming to such [bizarre] conclusion.
Don't care for the Harry Potter series. And my conclusion is not bizarre at all. Simply compare the wizards/sorcerers from Forgotten Realms/D&D to the 'wizards' from Harry Potter. The wizards from FR/D&D know multiple Schools of Magic and most don't require the use of a wand. The 'wizards' from HP require the use of a wand and only know/cast minor cantrips or low level spells. As I said before, wizards from FR/D&D would wipe the floor with the 'wizards' from HP. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 13:27:04
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It's been said before, D&D and Harry Potter and Middle Earth are all entirely different settings. What matters is not whether Khelben or Snape would emerge victorious in a duel so much as in which fantasy world that duel takes place.
It could just as easily be argued that a wizard from any given D&D edition possesses more power than one from another. It's not a meaningful comparison; they're in different worlds which define the different rules their magic has to follow. It's like trying to assert whether Russian Chess Grandmaster Garry Kasparov or German Field Marshall Rommel was the finer strategist, they aren't even playing the same game.
If you want to put everybody into the same world to duel it out then you've got to reformat them into the same ruleset. What level is Gandalf in a D&D setting? What sort of spellcraft could Elminster wield in Hogwarts? It basically boils down to the arbitrary choices made by whomever is writing their character sheets. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 14:22:22
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I hope you've already read the entire HP series before coming to such [bizarre] conclusion.
Don't care for the Harry Potter series. And my conclusion is not bizarre at all. Simply compare the wizards/sorcerers from Forgotten Realms/D&D to the 'wizards' from Harry Potter. The wizards from FR/D&D know multiple Schools of Magic and most don't require the use of a wand. The 'wizards' from HP require the use of a wand and only know/cast minor cantrips or low level spells. As I said before, wizards from FR/D&D would wipe the floor with the 'wizards' from HP.
You wouldn't know what a house looks like entirely if you remain standing at the gate and don't go in. Whatever you heard of the wizards in the HP world, they could be far from truth. And the only way you could check its veracity is if you read the whole series. You can't rely on the movies either, as there are so many things left unexplained in the adaptations. Meanwhile, you might want to read the following comments from your fellow scribes [including those by yours truly, of course] so you'd grain a shred of insight about the wizards in the HP world.
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I don't know who Voldemort is but to my expirience other fantasy settings have a much lower magic level than D&D.
So Gate in a Solar/Balor whichever is the oposite alignment of Voldemort and sit back while it smacks him...
-Don't really know much about Harry Potter, but I don't ever recall hearing about them being able to summon things, so the D&D guy definitley has the edge, because of this scenario.
They don't have Conjuration. Basic Summoning yes, but only certain objects within sight or, with much more effort, those which the summoner can "picture" in his mind vividly.
I think such lack is compensated by Transfiguration [Tranmutation in D&D]. They can transform almost anything quite faster than average D&D wizards, or even archmages. If you recall in Red Magic, Maligor, the then Zulkir of Tranmutation, took a little while transforming a single rat into a darkenbeast---his spell was long and he had to add certain spell components to make the transformation perfect. On the other hand, a powerful wizard in HP, like Profressor Minerva McGonagall, whose area of expertise is Tranfiguration, could transform a tiny animal into a huge monstrosity by sheer will. And note that they don't get tired even if they keep on casting for hours. In the two minutes that a skilled D&D Conjuror takes to summon two or three high-level demons, a powerful HP wizard would have already tranfigured insects, rabbits, rats--whatever animal is nigh---into thirty to sixty ferocious dragons. Heh, he could even transform his enemy into an ant, provided that he is able to breach the foe's magical defenses. [Remember how Professor Alastor Moody effortlessly transformed Draco Malfoy into a ferret?!]
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They have a chance, so long as they're able to keep their wands. Apparently, JK has not made up a spell that would ensure a wand's survival. In fact, it's even susceptible to physical damage. Grab an ordinary ax or rock and hit it, it will surely break.
However, bear in mind that there are so many spells that Dumbledore, Voldemort, and several other powerful wizards before them created which were never seen used in the novels.
An HP wizard can keep on using Protego and never gets tired, reflecting all his enemy's spells. That alone might be what he needs to win a fight against a D&D wizard.
Between average wizards, I guess the wizards in both camps are equal. But between HP's most powerful and D&D's archwizards, the latter have a bigger edge. Compare the duels of Dyrr and Gromph in Annihilation, and Dumbledore and Voldemort in The Order of Phoenix [the novel, not the movie. Dumbledore never fell flat on the floor nor was he defeated---it was just the scriptwriter's foolish attempt at trying to portray Voldemort more powerful than his former teacher.] The spells that Dyrr alone used outstripped all that both Dumbledore and Voldermort employed.
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Also while we dont have any on screen examples of massive magic, we do hear about much larger forms of magic, such as causing bridges to collapse, causing enough damage to be able to hidden as damage from a tornado etc. While there doesn't seem to be any summoning of extradimensionnal beings we do have, as Dennis said, transfiguration. There is at least one possible example of conjuration and that is in the 2nd(?) book when the kid Harry is dueling against creates a spell that conjures a snake out of nowhere. Bear in mind this is from a 12 year old kid with about 1 year of formal teaching.
On the wand issue, we do get a couple of examples Dumbledore using wandless magic.
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I wasn't joking when I said a powerful HP wizard can summon dragons and other monstrosities. Rowling once said in an interview that Minerva and some from the Order and the Death Eaters can do such feat with sheer will, but she avoided doing so because it would create more than solve problems. Remember, they're almost equally fast in spell-casting. And going back to my previous example, a D&D wizard will most likely get tired summoning three to five demons, while an HP wizard can conjure a hundred dragons without breaking a sweat.
And, oh, let's not forget the spell that's very helpful in battle: teleportation. A D&D wizard can cast it at a limited number of times, sometimes just once, as a contingency. While an HP wizard can Apparate at, again, sheer will---infinitely.
Thanks, boards, for pointing out those larger forms of magic. The collapse of the bridge was actually caused by multiple amplified Reducto.
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As I recall, HP wizards using magic without wands is not really all THAT uncommon- it's just that the power is very unfocused an chaotic. Remember Harry causing his uncle's sister to blow up like a balloon? Or letting the python loose in the zoo? These were the acts of UNTRAINED magic. And none of the adult wizards thought it was all that strange. It's like a D&D wizard using wild magic. So one could say that an HP wizard is more like a sorcerer/wild mage, and the wand is really just the tool to focus their will to avoid wild magic surges. In that case, the power level of the two may not be as different as one thinks. Granted, they can't summon extraplanar creatures in HP, but those 30+ dragons transfigured would certainly tip the scales! And as long as they were able to keep their wand for at least the first few rounds, they could keep the D&D wiz busy enough with transfigured creatures to wear him down and use up his spells.
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And Voldermort can fly and Apparate without a wand. But as I pointed out, he and all the HP wizards will be limited to few spells if they practice casting sans a wand. Besides, he looked for the Elder Wand to be able to cast all the spells he knew and to unleash all the magic he possessed. No other wands [not even Lucius's] could contain the amount of magic he was capable of unleashing. If you recall his aerial battle with Harry, his borrowed wand broke not because Harry simply outmatched his strength, but because his wand could only loose a little amount of his power, which in the end proved insufficient against Harry's.
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...but in the long run, a wizard of fr could just easily unleash more than enough power to level out towns and cities...
HP wizards are capable of that as well. Amplified Confringo, Reducto, Fiendfyre Curse, Deprimo, and Oppugno easily achieve that.
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Transmogrifian Torture and Confringo were also used as death spells. The former killed Mrs Norris. Hermione used the latter in an attempt to kill Nagini. All those fire and blasting spells I listed [Posted - 16 May 2011 : 16:50:09] can kill, but only Avada Kedavra gives the victim a painless and instant death.
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"Minor tricks"? Obviously, you are underestimating the magic in HP world. Affecting the weather of the entire nation; mind-controlling the giants and giant spiders; destroying a huge bridge made of metal and cement; transfiguring (transmuting) animate and inanimate things of all sizes to practically anything; and splitting your very soul to seven to be nigh-immortal. Do these sound like minor tricks?
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Again, let's not dismiss the fact that Rowling herself said that there far too many spells that haven't been used in the novels. Other than the "Three Unforgivable Curses," there are those which are "banned" (and therefore not recorded in spellbooks except in the original ones of their creators) because of sheer ability to cause massive destruction. It's been five (?) years since that interview, but I vaguely recall a mention of lightning storms that could last for several minutes, and a colossal green fire that obliterates a great mass of people, bodies and souls alike.
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Firestorm
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 19:41:46
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Harry Potter has wizards??
Hagrid: You're a wizard, Harry.
Harry: Not true, Hagrid. I can only cast minor cantrips.
You must not have met Voldemort, whose Horcruxes are like Aumvor's multiple phylacteries. [And I suggest you read all the posts in this thread, starting from page 1, so you get the bigger, brighter picture].
Not really :) How many years did it take for Voldermort to return? haha
Aumvor, or any Lich for that matter, would be able to reconstitute within days. And Aumvor has, what, 200+ pieces to his? 7 was the max Voldermort could use. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 19:56:47
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They don't have Conjuration. Basic Summoning yes, but only certain objects within sight or, with much more effort, those which the summoner can "picture" in his mind vividly.
I think such lack is compensated by Transfiguration [Tranmutation in D&D]. They can transform almost anything quite faster than average D&D wizards, or even archmages. If you recall in Red Magic, Maligor, the then Zulkir of Tranmutation, took a little while transforming a single rat into a darkenbeast---his spell was long and he had to add certain spell components to make the transformation perfect. On the other hand, a powerful wizard in HP, like Profressor Minerva McGonagall, whose area of expertise is Tranfiguration, could transform a tiny animal into a huge monstrosity by sheer will. And note that they don't get tired even if they keep on casting for hours. In the two minutes that a skilled D&D Conjuror takes to summon two or three high-level demons, a powerful HP wizard would have already tranfigured insects, rabbits, rats--whatever animal is nigh---into thirty to sixty ferocious dragons. Heh, he could even transform his enemy into an ant, provided that he is able to breach the foe's magical defenses. [Remember how Professor Alastor Moody effortlessly transformed Draco Malfoy into a ferret?!]
Hmmm, most high level wizards in DnD are immune to polymorph tho(At least the chosen)
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They have a chance, so long as they're able to keep their wands. Apparently, JK has not made up a spell that would ensure a wand's survival. In fact, it's even susceptible to physical damage. Grab an ordinary ax or rock and hit it, it will surely break.
However, bear in mind that there are so many spells that Dumbledore, Voldemort, and several other powerful wizards before them created which were never seen used in the novels.
An HP wizard can keep on using Protego and never gets tired, reflecting all his enemy's spells. That alone might be what he needs to win a fight against a D&D wizard.
Not likely. Area of effect spells would roast them where they stood :)
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I wasn't joking when I said a powerful HP wizard can summon dragons and other monstrosities. Rowling once said in an interview that Minerva and some from the Order and the Death Eaters can do such feat with sheer will, but she avoided doing so because it would create more than solve problems. Remember, they're almost equally fast in spell-casting. And going back to my previous example, a D&D wizard will most likely get tired summoning three to five demons, while an HP wizard can conjure a hundred dragons without breaking a sweat.
And, oh, let's not forget the spell that's very helpful in battle: teleportation. A D&D wizard can cast it at a limited number of times, sometimes just once, as a contingency. While an HP wizard can Apparate at, again, sheer will---infinitely.
Thanks, boards, for pointing out those larger forms of magic. The collapse of the bridge was actually caused by multiple amplified Reducto.
Heh. A dimensional lock would solve both of those. No summoning and no teleporting :)
A time stop is also, well, nothing in HP has an equivalent to time stop of Wish.
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Sep 2011 : 02:39:03
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I imagine Dumbledore could counter time stop. He used time travel quite often in the past. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Sep 2011 : 04:13:23
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I imagine Dumbledore could counter time stop. He used time travel quite often in the past.
In what book? I don't recall him using time travel... In fact, the only time travel I recall in the entire series was done with the aid of devices -- and even then, it was a few hours, at best. We don't know how difficult it was to create those devices, either.
And the use of these devices was not all that common, either, or else a lot of deaths, like that of Harry's parents or Cedric Diggory's, could have been prevented. For that matter, Voldemort could have staged his attack on the infant Harry differently -- it would have just taken one of his followers to do a bit of a rewind and then to issue a warning. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 12 Sep 2011 : 05:19:28
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| Dumbledore did give Hermoine, a little girl hardly past grade school, some sort of trinket which allowed her to time travel at will. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Sep 2011 : 06:58:05
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Dumbledore did give Hermoine, a little girl hardly past grade school, some sort of trinket which allowed her to time travel at will.
That, and JK's interview back when Prisoner of Azkaban was released. Dumbledore was part of the "team" who invented the time-turners. Doing trial and error with the device necessitated actual time travel. And since he could travel through time, then it's safe to conjecture that he could also counter time-related spells like time stop. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 12 Sep 2011 : 20:55:11
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Dumbledore did give Hermoine, a little girl hardly past grade school, some sort of trinket which allowed her to time travel at will.
That, and JK's interview back when Prisoner of Azkaban was released. Dumbledore was part of the "team" who invented the time-turners. Doing trial and error with the device necessitated actual time travel. And since he could travel through time, then it's safe to conjecture that he could also counter time-related spells like time stop.
Disagree. Such a device requires time to use it, and if time suddenly stops for everyone but the caster, he would have no time to use it. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 06:26:32
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When a nullifier cancels a certain spell, he must be quite knowledgeable about that spell's properties before he could do so. Dumbledore is pretty much familiar of the properties of time-related spells, so he must also be knowledgeable about the means to stop time itself [albeit I'd like to note it wouldn't be in a world-wide scale (he's not Doctor Strange)]. |
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 13:44:37
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 13:47:43
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There's a discussion on that in here. |
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I'd love to see more stories in the HP-verse, set outside of Hogwarts. One thing that always bugged me about the series was that it didn't often refer to places outside of England, and there were no references to places outside of Europe. I have to think that there were wizards in the US, China, Russia, Down Under, Africa, etc...
No references? Really? Given one of the Weasley boys was doing cursebreaking in the tombs of ancient Egyptian wizards? And another had a pen-friend in Brazil?
Besides, the extra books, the Quidditch one and the Magical Beasts one, very explicitly involve other countries - the Quidditch one, for instance, details the teams of other countries, and also the countries where it is less popular because they prefer other sports.
Unrelated point to think about; HP wizards and non-verbal magic. Adolescent wizards are taught that stuff. Silent Spell as a D&D thing is a feat, and IIRC it uses up a higher level spell slot.
Side note: I have to admit it makes me roll my eyes when some of the people in the debate pretty clearly don't know Harry Potter that well, and yet casually declare HP wizards would lose.
It does rather depend on the level; saying "Oh, but Elminster would kill them" is a bit disingenuous - Elminster wins in his own 'verse, too. Does that mean every other D&D wizard sucks? No, it means he's one of the top lot.
If you pit average wizards from both universes against each other, you'll get a different result. Recall, for instance: HP wizards are taught things like how to Apparate in school. The HP-verse idea of the basic magic necessary to call oneself a witch or wizard is a bit different - they effectively graduate with that one advantage right out of the gate. |
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 16:28:45
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I'd love to see more stories in the HP-verse, set outside of Hogwarts. One thing that always bugged me about the series was that it didn't often refer to places outside of England, and there were no references to places outside of Europe. I have to think that there were wizards in the US, China, Russia, Down Under, Africa, etc...
No references? Really? Given one of the Weasley boys was doing cursebreaking in the tombs of ancient Egyptian wizards? And another had a pen-friend in Brazil?
Besides, the extra books, the Quidditch one and the Magical Beasts one, very explicitly involve other countries - the Quidditch one, for instance, details the teams of other countries, and also the countries where it is less popular because they prefer other sports.
Unrelated point to think about; HP wizards and non-verbal magic. Adolescent wizards are taught that stuff. Silent Spell as a D&D thing is a feat, and IIRC it uses up a higher level spell slot.
Side note: I have to admit it makes me roll my eyes when some of the people in the debate pretty clearly don't know Harry Potter that well, and yet casually declare HP wizards would lose.
It does rather depend on the level; saying "Oh, but Elminster would kill them" is a bit disingenuous - Elminster wins in his own 'verse, too. Does that mean every other D&D wizard sucks? No, it means he's one of the top lot.
If you pit average wizards from both universes against each other, you'll get a different result. Recall, for instance: HP wizards are taught things like how to Apparate in school. The HP-verse idea of the basic magic necessary to call oneself a witch or wizard is a bit different - they effectively graduate with that one advantage right out of the gate.
I've read all seven of the HP books more than once. I've never even heard of those extra books you mention, but that doesn't change the fact that in the main story, the only references to other countries are passing ones, and often barely even that. Name one US or Chinese wizard from the main stories. Name one magical school mentioned in the main stories other than the three in the Tri-Wizard tournament. Name one noteworthy magical occurrence in another country that didn't involve Voldy or Grindelvald, again drawing from the main stories. Heck, if Voldemort was such a threat to everyone, why weren't any non-English wizards paying attention to him?
I'm as familiar with Harry Potter as anyone who isn't a very dedicated and enthusiastic fan. And I'm familiar with D&D. And I'm quite comfortable saying that while there could be mitigating circumstances in either direction, that I think the average D&D wizard would take the average HP wizard, given similar levels of experience and nothing skewing the battle in one direction. |
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Kilvan
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 19:58:27
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Being familiar with both settings, I firmly believe that dnd wizards are more versatile and do not depend on wands or staves to cast (and no, Voldemort's wandless casting does not count, as it seems to be a unique trait amongst all HP wizards), so they are superior than HP wizards IMO. Then again, to be fair, the only wizards we encounter in the books are either students and teachers/uber-mages. Not many regular-everyday-normal wizards, besides a parent or two.
As for non-UK HP wizards, while it is hinted that several other countries have wizarding schools, it is certainly not more than a hint in any of the 7 novels.
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Oh, we're starting a fire. I brought some kindling.
Voldemort was nearly defeated by Dumbledore, so I think it's fair to say he would have difficuly with an archmage from either genre.
As for aparating ... it's not really fair to say that because wizards learn it their senior year of high school that it translates to them knowing 5th level spells. Knowing avra kedavra isn't the same as knowing power word kill, either, really. Very few wizards in HP can fly and most of those learned it from Voldemort.
Yeah, I think we can agree that Romanian, Egyptian, and [where are we saying Durmstang was] help counter the Euro-bias.
It doesn't quite make sense to outlaw the quidditch book and the magical creatures books, or Beedle the Bard's tales either. They have ISBN numbers ... they are real books. That would like limiting the Realms to one seven novel series, as well.
We know the time turners are at least somewhat difficult to make. They were all kept by the ministry of magic AND they were all destroyed during the battle of the department of ministries.
That all being said ... Larloch, Aumvor, Iolaum, Elminster ... any of these can likely kill Voldemort. I imagine Elminster would send a group of aventurers to hunt down the horcruxes and then face Voldemort, himself. Which ... was basically Dumbledore's plan, too.
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 22:26:50
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Oh, we're starting a fire. I brought some kindling.
Voldemort was nearly defeated by Dumbledore, so I think it's fair to say he would have difficuly with an archmage from either genre.
As for aparating ... it's not really fair to say that because wizards learn it their senior year of high school that it translates to them knowing 5th level spells. Knowing avra kedavra isn't the same as knowing power word kill, either, really. Very few wizards in HP can fly and most of those learned it from Voldemort.
Yeah, I think we can agree that Romanian, Egyptian, and [where are we saying Durmstang was] help counter the Euro-bias.
It doesn't quite make sense to outlaw the quidditch book and the magical creatures books, or Beedle the Bard's tales either. They have ISBN numbers ... they are real books. That would like limiting the Realms to one seven novel series, as well.
We know the time turners are at least somewhat difficult to make. They were all kept by the ministry of magic AND they were all destroyed during the battle of the department of ministries.
That all being said ... Larloch, Aumvor, Iolaum, Elminster ... any of these can likely kill Voldemort. I imagine Elminster would send a group of aventurers to hunt down the horcruxes and then face Voldemort, himself. Which ... was basically Dumbledore's plan, too.
Never trust old white-bearded wizards...
Romania is still Europe. And we didn't see anything of Egypt in the series, it was just mentioned in passing.
As for "outlawing" the books -- the vast majority of Harry Potter fans have never heard of those non-novel books. For most HP fans, the canon consists only of the books and the movie adaptations. Including the non-novels in the argument is much like referring to FR lore found only in the Forgotten Sands of Anauroch comics -- yes, they exist and have ISBN numbers, but they aren't referred to in other FR material and most FR fans don't know they exist.
When the very existence of lore is unknown to most, it's not fair to expect people to be familiar with it. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 01:41:21
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| Actually, Since all of those books are usually sold righ next to the main novels in bookstores, I'd say a fair number of HP fans know of their existance. If not, they're freaking BLIND. Aside- I've read Beedle the Bard, and don't recall off-hand any references to wizards from other countries, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. That darn Norweigian dragon wasn't born in England!! And then there's Norbert... come to think of it, all the dragons from the HP series were from other countries, so obviously, there were wizards there to capture them. And the giant lady from Goblet of Fire wasn't British, either. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 01:59:56
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And the giant lady from Goblet of Fire wasn't British, either.
Madame Maxime. An interesting character in a weird way. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 03:32:04
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Actually, Since all of those books are usually sold righ next to the main novels in bookstores, I'd say a fair number of HP fans know of their existance. If not, they're freaking BLIND.
Every time I've seen Harry Potter books in a bookstore, it's been the novels, and that's it. I've not even seen the Beedle book in stores.
And I got the first 5 books from a bookstore, after they'd been out for a while, too. I also happened to (quite by accident!) wind up in the bookstore a few hours before the midnight release of book 6. No non-novel Harry Potter books were in sight.
I also have friends and family who are Harry Potter fans. None of them have any HP books outside of the novels.
I'm a Harry Potter fan, I read a lot, and I go to the bookstore frequently. I didn't even know those other books existed until they were mentioned in this thread, and I thought the Beedle book had been a limited-release only. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 05:37:00
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Actually, Since all of those books are usually sold righ next to the main novels in bookstores, I'd say a fair number of HP fans know of their existance. If not, they're freaking BLIND.
I'm a Harry Potter fan, I read a lot, and I go to the bookstore frequently. I didn't even know those other books existed until they were mentioned in this thread, and I thought the Beedle book had been a limited-release only.
Correct. The Tales of Beedle the Bard was produced in a limited edition only.
If our local bookstores are any indiction, the said anthology might not be that famous [due to lack to promotion, perhaps] because there are still a great number of copies of them which are on sale. Unlike the novels, whose prices have never gone down. |
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Fellfire
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