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Xar Zarath
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 Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 14:12:21
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Like a dnd wizard with a bonded implement.Over time the relationship between the implement and the wizard is essential to the dnd wizard's magic(not necessarily though for those that don't use wands and such) but look at the relationship of Aoth Fezim and his spear.
In Unholy, he did say that without his spear, his magic would not be as powerful, I guess you could attribute this to hpverse wizards too but dnd wizards still take the lead as they can cast much more spells simply by making gestures and such. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 14:48:54
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HPVerse wizards can cast spells without wands, too. At least we've seen evidence that Voldemort and Dumbledore can. Though the amount and level of power they can utilize do not reach their fullest unless they use wands.
Aoth's spear is not sentient. And it does not work the same as HP wands. Aoth's spear is more like a storage device, like his body where he stores "spell tattoos." While an HP wand is a conduit of the wizard's own magic. |
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Phentari
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 17:53:34
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One commonality to both D&D and Harry Potter is an essentially post-rationalist metaphysical model. Magic, by and large, is presented as a technology. It's predictable; it's reliable. If you use verbal component A in conjunction with somatic component B and material component C, you reliably get effect D. Except in unusual circumstances, magic is safe enough, predictable enough, and reliable enough to have magical items sold as commodities. (Heck, in Harry Potter, it's safe enough to use for frivolous things like animate chocolate frogs!)
This is significantly different from magic as presented in a lot of myth patterns, and echoed in contemporary works like Lord of the Rings. There, the understanding boils down to:
1. There is a natural world and a supernatural world.
2. Mortals can only comprehend the natural world.
3. Mortals who dabble in the supernatural invariably place themselves in peril, and frequently come to grief.
Now, I would argue that in both cases, there are good and proper reasons for adopting magic-as-technology. D&D is a game, and games need quantifiable rules. Rowling was writing a series for young adults, and wanted her readers to be able to associate with her characters; thus, making the setting TOO alien would have been counterproductive.
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 23 Jul 2011 : 13:10:41
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| For dnd i think that magic is not only like a tool but also part of the supernatural world at least a combination of the two(wizardry and alchemy) |
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 24 Jul 2011 : 04:04:19
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| I posted a question in another topic that I started. Its about liches(well actually a need to know kind of thing) and the creation of extra phylacteries. If alich already has one, can he create a second, third, fourth and so on.(not with Aumvor's Fragmented Phylactery but actually creating another) |
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 02:42:41
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Eltheron
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Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 02:57:16
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What is the difference between a 20th level wizard and a 41st level wizard in dnd?? just curious
The answer depends a great deal on which rules edition you are using.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 04:48:33
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What is the difference between a 20th level wizard and a 41st level wizard in dnd?? just curious
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 08:20:47
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If Harry, Dumbledore, and Voldemort were in the Realms, what levels would they be? |
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 09:01:53
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Harry=11
Dumbledore=21
Voldemort=21
And to Eltheron maybe 3ed or 3.5 not 4e. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 09:16:30
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Not bad. Though Voldemort would most likely be around 25-27. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 14:23:04
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What is the difference between a 20th level wizard and a 41st level wizard in dnd?? just curious
Depends on what their levels are based in. I would assume a 41st level Character has 5 Levels of Archmage, which grants them a ton of benefits. A 20th level Wizard would have 2 levels of archmage at best.
Archmage levels grant significant extra power to your spells(I.E a high level archmage throws a much more powerful fireball), and they can choose from all sorts of goodies like Mastery of counterspelling, arcane reach(Which let's them use touch based spells from 30 feet away, arcane fire, Mastery of elements(Fun, because they could cast a fireball that does cold or electrical damage instead), etc etc
Not to mention all those extra levels probably means significantly extra experience, spell power, spell repertoire, epic level spells and intelligence. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 14:26:18
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They have a chance, albeit little, so long as they're able to keep their wands. Apparently, JK has not made up a spell that would ensure a wand's survival. In fact, it's even susceptible to physical damage. Grab an ordinary ax or rock and hit it, it will surely break.
However, bear in mind that there are so many spells that Dumbledore, Voldemort, and several other powerful wizards before them created which were never seen used in the novels.
An HP wizard can keep on using Protego and never gets tired, reflecting all his enemy's spells. That alone might be what he needs to win a fight against a D&D wizard.
Between average wizards, I guess the wizards in both camps are equal. But between HP's most powerful and D&D's archwizards, the latter have a bigger edge. Compare the duels of Dyrr and Gromph in Annihilation, and Dumbledore and Voldemort in The Order of Phoenix [the novel, not the movie. Dumbledore never fell flat on the floor nor was he defeated---it was just the scriptwriter's foolish attempt at trying to portray Voldemort more powerful than his former teacher.] The spells that Dyrr alone used outstripped all that both Dumbledore and Voldermort employed.
Yep. Voldermort lost that duel to Dumbledore in the books(Or at least, knew he could not beat him) |
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 16:12:33
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Originally posted by Dennis
They have a chance, albeit little, so long as they're able to keep their wands. Apparently, JK has not made up a spell that would ensure a wand's survival. In fact, it's even susceptible to physical damage. Grab an ordinary ax or rock and hit it, it will surely break.
However, bear in mind that there are so many spells that Dumbledore, Voldemort, and several other powerful wizards before them created which were never seen used in the novels.
An HP wizard can keep on using Protego and never gets tired, reflecting all his enemy's spells. That alone might be what he needs to win a fight against a D&D wizard.
Between average wizards, I guess the wizards in both camps are equal. But between HP's most powerful and D&D's archwizards, the latter have a bigger edge. Compare the duels of Dyrr and Gromph in Annihilation, and Dumbledore and Voldemort in The Order of Phoenix [the novel, not the movie. Dumbledore never fell flat on the floor nor was he defeated---it was just the scriptwriter's foolish attempt at trying to portray Voldemort more powerful than his former teacher.] The spells that Dyrr alone used outstripped all that both Dumbledore and Voldermort employed.
Yep. Voldermort lost that duel to Dumbledore in the books(Or at least, knew he could not beat him)
It's possible that Voldemort was more powerful than Dumbledore in terms of innate magic. He just didn't have the right wand to channel a great amount of power. And if I recall it right, Dumbledore was using the Elder Wand in that fight (I guess he had been using it since book 1); hence, the advantage. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 18:21:37
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Originally posted by Dennis
They have a chance, albeit little, so long as they're able to keep their wands. Apparently, JK has not made up a spell that would ensure a wand's survival. In fact, it's even susceptible to physical damage. Grab an ordinary ax or rock and hit it, it will surely break.
However, bear in mind that there are so many spells that Dumbledore, Voldemort, and several other powerful wizards before them created which were never seen used in the novels.
An HP wizard can keep on using Protego and never gets tired, reflecting all his enemy's spells. That alone might be what he needs to win a fight against a D&D wizard.
Between average wizards, I guess the wizards in both camps are equal. But between HP's most powerful and D&D's archwizards, the latter have a bigger edge. Compare the duels of Dyrr and Gromph in Annihilation, and Dumbledore and Voldemort in The Order of Phoenix [the novel, not the movie. Dumbledore never fell flat on the floor nor was he defeated---it was just the scriptwriter's foolish attempt at trying to portray Voldemort more powerful than his former teacher.] The spells that Dyrr alone used outstripped all that both Dumbledore and Voldermort employed.
Yep. Voldermort lost that duel to Dumbledore in the books(Or at least, knew he could not beat him)
It's possible that Voldemort was more powerful than Dumbledore in terms of innate magic. He just didn't have the right wand to channel a great amount of power. And if I recall it right, Dumbledore was using the Elder Wand in that fight (I guess he had been using it since book 1); hence, the advantage.
I don't think Voldemort was more powerful. It's said more than once that Dumbledore was the only person Voldy feared, and that's unlikely if Voldy was more powerful. Also, there's no indication that there was anything wrong with Voldy's wand -- he did plenty of other stuff with it. The only issue was that it wouldn't work well against Harry's wand. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 20:05:24
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They have a chance, albeit little, so long as they're able to keep their wands. Apparently, JK has not made up a spell that would ensure a wand's survival. In fact, it's even susceptible to physical damage. Grab an ordinary ax or rock and hit it, it will surely break.
However, bear in mind that there are so many spells that Dumbledore, Voldemort, and several other powerful wizards before them created which were never seen used in the novels.
An HP wizard can keep on using Protego and never gets tired, reflecting all his enemy's spells. That alone might be what he needs to win a fight against a D&D wizard.
Between average wizards, I guess the wizards in both camps are equal. But between HP's most powerful and D&D's archwizards, the latter have a bigger edge. Compare the duels of Dyrr and Gromph in Annihilation, and Dumbledore and Voldemort in The Order of Phoenix [the novel, not the movie. Dumbledore never fell flat on the floor nor was he defeated---it was just the scriptwriter's foolish attempt at trying to portray Voldemort more powerful than his former teacher.] The spells that Dyrr alone used outstripped all that both Dumbledore and Voldermort employed.
Yep. Voldermort lost that duel to Dumbledore in the books(Or at least, knew he could not beat him)
It's possible that Voldemort was more powerful than Dumbledore in terms of innate magic. He just didn't have the right wand to channel a great amount of power. And if I recall it right, Dumbledore was using the Elder Wand in that fight (I guess he had been using it since book 1); hence, the advantage.
As Wooly said, Voldermort feared Dumbledore. The movies may not have made it as clear, but the books did. The very reason he wanted Draco to kill Dumbledore was because he did not want to face him again. The death Eaters also became far more active upon Dumbledore's death, which also shows just how he made Voldy hold back out of fear.
Dumbledore won the Elder wand by defeating the last guy who owned it. A dark Wizard nearly on Voldermort's level by all accounts(Considered the most powerful Dark Wizard ever next to Voldermort)
In the books, Dumbledore made it clear the Elder Wand is not the end all. If it were as powerful as assumed, he would never have defeated Grindelwald. |
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Saer Cormaeril
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 22:00:48
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Dennis
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 11:44:03
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I don't think Voldemort was more powerful. It's said more than once that Dumbledore was the only person Voldy feared, and that's unlikely if Voldy was more powerful. Also, there's no indication that there was anything wrong with Voldy's wand -- he did plenty of other stuff with it. The only issue was that it wouldn't work well against Harry's wand.
I'm not so sure about the fear thing. Yes, it was mentioned that Voldy feared Dumbledore. But in their duel in the Ministry of Magic, Voldy could have Apparated immediately and avoided confrontation. But instead he chose to fight Dumbledore. Also, I recall Dumbledore saying something like, "It's foolish of you to have come here, Tom. The Aurors are on their way." And the Voldy replied, "And by that time you are already dead." That doesn't sound like someone frightened. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 11:58:01
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As Wooly said, Voldermort feared Dumbledore. The movies may not have made it as clear, but the books did. The very reason he wanted Draco to kill Dumbledore was because he did not want to face him again.
Then he could have sent a more experienced, more powerful Death Eater, like Bellatrix, or Lucius. So no, that's not the reason he sent Malfoy instead. Voldy sent the cowardly boy because he knew Dumbledore would hesitate, and possibly would not fight a young student of Hogwarts. |
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 13:43:49
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A dnd archmage just goes "whats up?!" and proceeds to throw all manner of death magic at them till they stop moving.
If they apparate, then the archmage should use time stop first. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 14:35:24
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As Wooly said, Voldermort feared Dumbledore. The movies may not have made it as clear, but the books did. The very reason he wanted Draco to kill Dumbledore was because he did not want to face him again.
Then he could have sent a more experienced, more powerful Death Eater, like Bellatrix, or Lucius. So no, that's not the reason he sent Malfoy instead. Voldy sent the cowardly boy because he knew Dumbledore would hesitate, and possibly would not fight a young student of Hogwarts.
You missed the point entirely.
Voldermort was getting someone else to kill Dumbledore because #1 he was incapable of doing it himself, and #2 he was afraid to face him again. Yes, he sent Draco for the reasons you posted, but his fear of Dumbledore is what kept the death eaters in check all the same. It was no coincidence that the ministry fell and they started to move on Harry right after Dumbledore was no longer in the picture. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 14:41:27
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I don't think Voldemort was more powerful. It's said more than once that Dumbledore was the only person Voldy feared, and that's unlikely if Voldy was more powerful. Also, there's no indication that there was anything wrong with Voldy's wand -- he did plenty of other stuff with it. The only issue was that it wouldn't work well against Harry's wand.
I'm not so sure about the fear thing. Yes, it was mentioned that Voldy feared Dumbledore. But in their duel in the Ministry of Magic, Voldy could have Apparated immediately and avoided confrontation. But instead he chose to fight Dumbledore. Also, I recall Dumbledore saying something like, "It's foolish of you to have come here, Tom. The Aurors are on their way." And the Voldy replied, "And by that time you are already dead." That doesn't sound like someone frightened.
Voldy was deadset on killing Harry in that part of the book. Dumbledore showed up and captured every single death eater single handedly except Bellatrix, who ran to Voldermort's side.
Voldy was focused on killing Harry so Dumbledore animated a golden statue to cover Harry from the death curse Voldermort shot his way, then animated more statues to subdue Bellatrix while he fought Voldy. Voldy ended up fleeing the battle with his tail between his legs once Dumbledore cocooned him in water, but briefly possessed Harry in hopes that Dumbledore would kill him. But he ran with his tail between his legs from Dumbledore's superiority all the same. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 14:53:14
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Why is this thread on Candlekeep? Not only is it a 'versus' thread, but it does not pertain to the Realms in any way....
There is no harm in this thread.
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Dennis
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 15:18:32
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't think Voldemort was more powerful. It's said more than once that Dumbledore was the only person Voldy feared, and that's unlikely if Voldy was more powerful. Also, there's no indication that there was anything wrong with Voldy's wand -- he did plenty of other stuff with it. The only issue was that it wouldn't work well against Harry's wand.
I'm not so sure about the fear thing. Yes, it was mentioned that Voldy feared Dumbledore. But in their duel in the Ministry of Magic, Voldy could have Apparated immediately and avoided confrontation. But instead he chose to fight Dumbledore. Also, I recall Dumbledore saying something like, "It's foolish of you to have come here, Tom. The Aurors are on their way." And the Voldy replied, "And by that time you are already dead." That doesn't sound like someone frightened.
Voldy was deadset on killing Harry in that part of the book. Dumbledore showed up and captured every single death eater single handedly except Bellatrix, who ran to Voldermort's side.
Voldy was focused on killing Harry so Dumbledore animated a golden statue to cover Harry from the death curse Voldermort shot his way, then animated more statues to subdue Bellatrix while he fought Voldy. Voldy ended up fleeing the battle with his tail between his legs once Dumbledore cocooned him in water, but briefly possessed Harry in hopes that Dumbledore would kill him. But he ran with his tail between his legs from Dumbledore's superiority all the same.
Incorrect. Voldemort would have stayed and cotinued the fight. He had Harry in his grasp, and could have used him to defeat Dumbledore. But the Aurors and the members of the Ministry arrived. That's the reason he released his grasp on Harry and fled. Below is the scene in the novel Harry Potter and Order of Phoenix.
Besides, if he truly feared Dumbledore, he should have fled the moment his former teacher appeared, and should have decided to pick another time to kill Harry, preferably when he's alone or at the very least, not with Dumbledore. But instead, he risked fighting Dumbledore.
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For a few seconds Voldemort was visible only as a dark, rippling, faceless figure, shimmering and indistinct upon the plinth, clearly struggling to throw off the suffocating mass Then he was gone and the water fell with a crash back into its pool, slopping wildly over the sides, drenching the polished floor.
`MASTER!'; screamed Bellatrix.
Sure it was over, sure Voldemort had decided to flee, Harry made to run out from behind his statue guard, but Dumbledore bellowed: `Stay where you are, Harry!'
For the first time, Dumbledore sounded frightened. Harry could not see why: the hall was quite empty but for themselves, the sobbing Bellatrix still trapped under the witch statue, and the baby phoenix Fawkes croaking feebly on the floor.
Then Harry's scar burst open and he knew he was dead: it was pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance. He was gone from the hall, he was locked in the coils of a creature with red eyes, so tightly bound that Harry did not know where his body ended and the creature's began: they were fused together, bound by pain, and there was no escape.
And when the creature spoke, it used Harry's mouth, so that in his agony he felt his jaw move.
`Kill me now, Dumbledore…'
Blinded and dying, every part of him screaming for release, Harry felt the creature use him again…
`If death is nothing, Dumbledore, kill the boy…'
Let the pain stop, thought Harry… let him kill us… end it, Dumbledore… death is nothing compared to this…
And I'll see Sirius again…
And as Harry's heart filled with emotion, the creature's coils loosened, the pain was gone; Harry was lying face down on the floor, his glasses gone, shivering as though he lay upon ice, not wood… And there were voices echoing through the hall, more voices than there should have been… Harry opened his eyes, saw his glasses lying by the heel of the headless statue that had been guarding him, but which now lay flat on its back, cracked and immobile. He put them on and raised his head a little to find Dumbledore's crooked nose inches from his own.
`Are you all right, Harry?'
`Yes,' said Harry, shaking so violently he could not hold his head up properly. `Yeah, I'm where's Voldemort, where - who are all these - what -'
The Atrium was full of people; the floor was reflecting the emerald green flames that had burst into life in all the fireplaces along one wall; and streams of witches and wizards were emerging from them. As Dumbledore pulled him back to his feet, Harry saw the tiny gold statues of the house-elf and the goblin, leading a stunned-looking Cornelius Fudge forward.
`He was there!' shouted a scarlet-robed man with a ponytail, who was pointing at a pile of golden rubble on the other side of the hall, where Bellatrix had lain trapped only moments before. `I saw him, Mr Fudge, I swear it was You-Know-Who, he grabbed a woman and Disapparated!'
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Firestorm
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 16:19:54
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't think Voldemort was more powerful. It's said more than once that Dumbledore was the only person Voldy feared, and that's unlikely if Voldy was more powerful. Also, there's no indication that there was anything wrong with Voldy's wand -- he did plenty of other stuff with it. The only issue was that it wouldn't work well against Harry's wand.
I'm not so sure about the fear thing. Yes, it was mentioned that Voldy feared Dumbledore. But in their duel in the Ministry of Magic, Voldy could have Apparated immediately and avoided confrontation. But instead he chose to fight Dumbledore. Also, I recall Dumbledore saying something like, "It's foolish of you to have come here, Tom. The Aurors are on their way." And the Voldy replied, "And by that time you are already dead." That doesn't sound like someone frightened.
Voldy was deadset on killing Harry in that part of the book. Dumbledore showed up and captured every single death eater single handedly except Bellatrix, who ran to Voldermort's side.
Voldy was focused on killing Harry so Dumbledore animated a golden statue to cover Harry from the death curse Voldermort shot his way, then animated more statues to subdue Bellatrix while he fought Voldy. Voldy ended up fleeing the battle with his tail between his legs once Dumbledore cocooned him in water, but briefly possessed Harry in hopes that Dumbledore would kill him. But he ran with his tail between his legs from Dumbledore's superiority all the same.
Incorrect. Voldemort would have stayed and cotinued the fight. He had Harry in his grasp, and could have used him to defeat Dumbledore. But the Aurors and the members of the Ministry arrived. That's the reason he released his grasp on Harry and fled. Below is the scene in the novel Harry Potter and Order of Phoenix.
Besides, if he truly feared Dumbledore, he should have fled the moment his former teacher appeared, and should have decided to pick another time to kill Harry, preferably when he's alone or at the very least, not with Dumbledore. But instead, he risked fighting Dumbledore.
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For a few seconds Voldemort was visible only as a dark, rippling, faceless figure, shimmering and indistinct upon the plinth, clearly struggling to throw off the suffocating mass Then he was gone and the water fell with a crash back into its pool, slopping wildly over the sides, drenching the polished floor.
`MASTER!'; screamed Bellatrix.
Sure it was over, sure Voldemort had decided to flee, Harry made to run out from behind his statue guard, but Dumbledore bellowed: `Stay where you are, Harry!'
For the first time, Dumbledore sounded frightened. Harry could not see why: the hall was quite empty but for themselves, the sobbing Bellatrix still trapped under the witch statue, and the baby phoenix Fawkes croaking feebly on the floor.
Then Harry's scar burst open and he knew he was dead: it was pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance. He was gone from the hall, he was locked in the coils of a creature with red eyes, so tightly bound that Harry did not know where his body ended and the creature's began: they were fused together, bound by pain, and there was no escape.
And when the creature spoke, it used Harry's mouth, so that in his agony he felt his jaw move.
`Kill me now, Dumbledore…'
Blinded and dying, every part of him screaming for release, Harry felt the creature use him again…
`If death is nothing, Dumbledore, kill the boy…'
Let the pain stop, thought Harry… let him kill us… end it, Dumbledore… death is nothing compared to this…
And I'll see Sirius again…
And as Harry's heart filled with emotion, the creature's coils loosened, the pain was gone; Harry was lying face down on the floor, his glasses gone, shivering as though he lay upon ice, not wood… And there were voices echoing through the hall, more voices than there should have been… Harry opened his eyes, saw his glasses lying by the heel of the headless statue that had been guarding him, but which now lay flat on its back, cracked and immobile. He put them on and raised his head a little to find Dumbledore's crooked nose inches from his own.
`Are you all right, Harry?'
`Yes,' said Harry, shaking so violently he could not hold his head up properly. `Yeah, I'm where's Voldemort, where - who are all these - what -'
The Atrium was full of people; the floor was reflecting the emerald green flames that had burst into life in all the fireplaces along one wall; and streams of witches and wizards were emerging from them. As Dumbledore pulled him back to his feet, Harry saw the tiny gold statues of the house-elf and the goblin, leading a stunned-looking Cornelius Fudge forward.
`He was there!' shouted a scarlet-robed man with a ponytail, who was pointing at a pile of golden rubble on the other side of the hall, where Bellatrix had lain trapped only moments before. `I saw him, Mr Fudge, I swear it was You-Know-Who, he grabbed a woman and Disapparated!'
And yet, the author in her interviews made it very clear that Voldermort decided he could not win against Dumbledore and fled, using Harry's body as a last ditch effort to force Dumbledore to kill him. He was not in control of Harry's body short of making him speak. She also mentioned that the emotions in Harry due to Sirius' death made Voldermort feel all the same unendurable pain Harry was feeling, and thus, forced Voldermort from his body.
Ill look for the interview for you so you can watch it. Might be a bit hard to find since it was the early 2000's, but it was there nonetheless. |
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 04 Aug 2011 : 07:02:29
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| I think regardless of whether voldemort wanted to kill harry or this or that, it still stands that snake-face would die very slowly with a quickened spells of flesh to stone, stone to mud, mud to stone, stone to flesh.(just for fun, when he's stoned use stone shape) |
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Dennis
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Posted - 04 Aug 2011 : 07:13:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm
And yet, the author in her interviews made it very clear that Voldermort decided he could not win against Dumbledore and fled, using Harry's body as a last ditch effort to force Dumbledore to kill him. He was not in control of Harry's body short of making him speak. She also mentioned that the emotions in Harry due to Sirius' death made Voldermort feel all the same unendurable pain Harry was feeling, and thus, forced Voldermort from his body.
Hmmm... I don't recall her saying that. I used to frequent her site. |
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Xar Zarath
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Malaysia
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Posted - 07 Aug 2011 : 06:29:16
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| How do Automatic Quicken/Still/Silent Spell work? Is it like the phaerimm in ROTA where they fling spells by sheer will? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 16:51:14
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Anyone watched Cowboys and Aliens? The actors did pretty well. But the plot is too rehashed. The effects are not as good as I expected. Or rather, they're good, but not great. And there were some moments when I almost fell asleep. The ending was very predictable, too. In fact, I predicted it even before seeing the main spaceship. The aliens are kinda well developed, though. They're like the vampires in the movie Priest, albeit bigger and more sophisticated.
Sorry for the OT. |
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Xar Zarath
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Malaysia
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 09:52:15
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Hey guys. Was wondering something and will post it to another of my topics too but just in case nobody answers, i was wondering what you guys have to say...
In 3.5e(not 4e because we do not play that(my friends anyway)) i became a specialist wizard.already epic and becoming a lich, so my question is if you become a lich are you still subject to having banned/forbidden schools of opposition?
Comments and answers are appreciated!
Thanks guys! |
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DND Wizard VS Harry Potter Wizard
