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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 01:21:25
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| Well, I know all of that it's just that a.I didn't know/consider spirit folk fey and b. I am in a crunch mode right and really need hard core fey PC races and lore on LeShay. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 01:51:33
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I believe most of the lore published has already been cited by the kind Scribes here already. I researched extensively for a debauched Satyr Ranger/Bard PC and a Quickling/Redcap hybrid and those were the sources I used as well. Savage Species a 3.Oh supplement may have had a few tid-bits as well. Check THIS site for a listing of "Ecology of..." articles. Google is your friend. Be persistent. Be observant, the Scribes here post many good links to various informative online resources (Bookmark them!). Be creative, much of the lore is often from older editions that need conversion or made up entirely based on something similar. Check the archives here or the long list of links to other sites. As for the LeShay, I've been playing for well over a decade and that word is new to me so I'm sure what has been previously posted is all there is to be found.
edit: Sorry, if that sounded the least bit condescending, such was not my intent. I just believe that you are looking for something that does not exist or has already been cited. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 02:59:22
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Check THIS site for a listing of "Ecology of..." articles.
I prefer The DragonDex, an index of all of the articles in the (real) printed version of Dragon. 
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 03:06:05
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lol, Wooly. I disbelieve the digital illusions as well. Dragons are too large to sit on my monitor anyways.
Sashay into fey (Faerie and Song) dragons. I imagine that dragons do not as a rule have fey origins. Did these species live for a time in the Feywilds? (Is this perhaps why so many other species are associated with the fey even though their origins differ? Did centaurs perhaps come from a human world then spend many generations living in the sylvan feywild?) |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 04:03:49
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Surely there are other fey dragons. Fang Dragon, maybe? There must be others.
I just found a reference to Mithrendain an Eladrin citadel in the Feywild. I don't have the DDI, so I'm unsure of it's quality.
I also found THIS seemingly comprehensive list of fey creatures from official sources, but no Fairy Dragon or any others I recognize as Dragons. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Alystra Illianniis
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 04:25:32
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| I can't seem to find it now, but there are a few amusing tales here at the 'Keep by some type of Pixie that works in the kitchens who has a Fairy Dragon companion. A delightful character. Sage? Wooly? What ever happened to that mischievous little imp? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 04:27:46
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It is a shame. I understand the song dragon is a newer Greenwood innovation, I only recently heard of it. But 1E faerie dragons and 2E fairy dragons (same thing, though more than just the name was changed) were once all the rage; the familiar of choice for CG-ish wizards who couldn't get or didn't want a pseudo-dragon, imp, quasit, or other cool pet.
Faerie/Fairy dragon descriptions are decidedly fey creatures, though I know of no hard reference to that effect. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 04:51:16
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| Well, something needs to be done about this. This will not do. One Fey Dragon is not enough. What we need is... a lizard with a ladder. No! Wait. An Unseelie Fairy Dragon breed unto themselves. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 04:56:48
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The 2e Complete Book of Humanoids gives the best options for playing Fey that I know of.
My daughter is going to play "Tinker Bell" in an upcoming game in a 1e game...going to steal blatantly from that book! |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 05:09:14
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| Tinker Belle in a 1e Golarion. Awesome! What a great way to get to know your kids. Wish my dad was as cool as you. ;} |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 05:20:58
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Tinker Belle in a 1e Golarion. Awesome! What a great way to get to know your kids. Wish my dad was as cool as you. ;}
Don't say that around my wife...she might try to adopt you! 
I've decided to place a sign on my front deck: "Edwards Family Orphanage" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 05:23:44
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Originally posted by Arik
I understand the song dragon is a newer Greenwood innovation, I only recently heard of it.
Newer? Not quite... They were originally called weredragons, and date back to 1E -- specifically, Dragon 134, June 1988. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 05:37:28
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| Hmmm. They're the same beast, Wooly? I'll look into my Dragons when I get home. I was under the impression that Ed devised them about the same time he wrote Elminster's Daughter. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 05:46:17
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| One and the same Good Scribe Arik. We were just talking about them in the Dragon PC scroll and perhaps also in the latest Bard scroll as well. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 06:24:29
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Well, something needs to be done about this. This will not do. One Fey Dragon is not enough. What we need is... a lizard with a ladder. No! Wait. An Unseelie Fairy Dragon breed unto themselves.
This could make for a very malicious, very entertaining foil. Perhaps the only way to banish him/her back to the Feywild is to say its name backwards, or trick it into doing so itself. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 06:30:34
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I just found a reference to Mithrendain an Eladrin citadel in the Feywild. I don't have the DDI, so I'm unsure of it's quality.
It's a fairly well-detailed and intriguing locale. I've the article, and though I've yet to make use of it in my games, there is a lot of potential in both the lore and the characters presented. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 06:35:07
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Originally posted by Arik
Hmmm. They're the same beast, Wooly? I'll look into my Dragons when I get home. I was under the impression that Ed devised them about the same time he wrote Elminster's Daughter.
Were/song dragons were first published in DRAGON #134 -- in a 1e article. They were renamed song dragons in 3e to help clear up the point of confusion that many had regarding the 1e/2e were-dragon. 'Twas thought to be a lycanthrope, when it actually wasn't. They were simply renamed song dragons; both names are used in Faerûn ['were-dragon' not just by the ignorant]. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 06:49:42
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Originally posted by Arik
Hmmm. They're the same beast, Wooly? I'll look into my Dragons when I get home. I was under the impression that Ed devised them about the same time he wrote Elminster's Daughter.
Were/song dragons were first published in DRAGON #134 -- in a 1e article. They were renamed song dragons in 3e to help clear up the point of confusion that many had regarding the 1e/2e were-dragon. 'Twas thought to be a lycanthrope, when it actually wasn't. They were simply renamed song dragons; both names are used in Faerûn ['were-dragon' not just by the ignorant].
I always thought Greyhawk Dragons were very similar (I think it was Steel Dragons) that I first came across in the Greyhawk Adventures hardback with James Ward on the cover...weren't they later called Steel Dragons? |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 06:51:44
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It's been a long while since I've perused most of my 1E-era Dragons. I, ah, was one of the ignorants who thought were-dragons were indeed a some kind of lycanthrope creature (draconanthrope? hydranthrope? were-zilla?). Too much young influence by Final Fantasy, I suspect.
This of course makes me wonder if any sort of "weredragons" (or "weredragonborn") exist which might be, say, a cross between song dragons and lythari. And would they be fey?
[Edit: Dalor — As of 2E, Greyhawk dragons and Steel dragons are very much the same thing, though technically treated as distinct species. Their monster entries describe their similarity and suggest that one is the offshoot of the other; this is easily possible because their total (known) populations are really quite small, somewhere between small clans and extended families.] |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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2450 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 11:57:28
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There's also a (really well-written) faerie dragon in the very first FR novels: the Moonshae trilogy. Not sure if he returns for the sequel trilogy, since it's been a long time since I read that one. And, like many "foolish" creatures, you do not want to be around when the faerie dragon decides to get serious.  |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 15:42:36
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| Found it, Scribe Melfius in his thread The Fairy Kitchen and his tale Happiness Comes in Small Packages under his sig. A whimsical read. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Lord Karsus
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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2450 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 19:37:41
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| Just be aware that not all of Elves of Faerun is canon. It's really, really good, but in some instances where there wasn't any information, the scribes that worked on EoF made it up. That matters to some, so I just wanted to point it out. |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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7989 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 05:14:09
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| Dagnirion is the legendary Lord Karsus? Awesome. EoF does indeed look very promising, though I've only skimmed through it. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 14:53:07
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| Yep. He doesn't post around here very often any more, though. Good to see you back, Dag, no matter how temporarily. |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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666 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2012 : 21:42:40
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I thought I'd do a little thread necromancy because I've been finding some rather obscure sourcebooks that detail some fae races.
Some books that I've found that feature them are:
The Complete Guide to Fey, by Goodman Games
Tall Tales of the Wee Folk, an AD&D supplement
Savage Species, a 3(.5?) supplement that has all sorts of monster characters available for PCs.
These are all very interesting books. I like TCGF (so close...lol) the best in terms of overall content. Next I would say that Tall Tales of the Wee Folk is very good too, though it's still a bit ambiguous towards some things that need to be more clearly defined (yes, we're talking about the fae here...). Savage Species just has some racial write ups.
And, ah, could we put some of my less glowing replies up there in a box, buried deep in the abyss of the ocean? I was rather.....immature acting, it seems now and must have not been thinking because it looks very ugly now. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 08:00:46
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I'd add Van Richten's Guide to the Shadow Fey, or Birthright's Creatures of Light and Shadow
and The Little People (3rd party source) is decent |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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666 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 13:06:57
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| Oh, they sound interesting! Can you provide links, please? :) |
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MalariaMoon
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 06 Aug 2012 : 14:39:57
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Tall Tales of the Wee Folk was an awesome book. Designed for the (non-Advanced) Dungeons and Dragons if I remember correctly, in the Mystara campaign world. Loads of interesting fae races, including several which never found their way into mainstream D&D usage. I don't think there were any LeShay though.
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