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Aryalómë
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 Posted - 23 Mar 2011 : 23:53:21
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Are there any playable fey races other than Elves in 3.5e and lower? I' really interested in the Eladrin amd leShay. I've tried to find info on the leSha but have come up dry.
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Diffan
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 03:40:51
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There was never any offical write-ups for LeShay characters, and probably for good reason. Over on the Wiz-bro boards I had helped, along with others, a member named Lord_Karsus compile a collection of elven information known as the Elves of Faerûn in which I created a character using LeShay stats. It was very high tier, in the CR 30's I believe.
Anywho, as for other non-elven fey creatures you have Centaurs as well as a few other species detailed in the Races of the Wild supplement.
Half-Fey (creatures who have Fey blood)
have a LA +2
Dex +2
Con -2
Wis +2
Cha +4
and a +1 CR
They also gain a ton of Spell-like abilities based on HD as well as some other benefits such as Faerie-wings, low-light vision, immunity to enchantment spells and effects.
Half-Nymph (Detailed in Dragon #313)
have a LA +2
Dex +2
Int +2
Wis +2
Cha +4
a +2 to CR
Low-light vision and Awesome Beauty.
Also along the lines of the Eladrin were the Celadrin (born of a Firre Eladrin and an elf) (Detailed in Dragon #350)
LA +1
Dex +2
Cha +2
Con -2
Favored Class: Bard
Resist fire 10
Darkvision 60 ft.
+4 Perform (sing)
+2 Listen/Search/Spot
Outsider (native)
and a few other base abilities
You could also re-flavor or just add in the Eladrin from 4E's stuff. Much like the Celadrin but I'd say dimension door 1–day, No Con -2 penalty, darkvision, low-light vision, automatically proficieny with short and longswords and all bows plus even some benefits to Knowledge (history) *looks around* and possible SR 11 + Character level. LA +2 |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 03:44:27
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For 2e, the absolute best source is the Complete Book of Humanoids. It gives you the write-ups for more than a dozen monster races, including several fey (centaur, pixie, swanmay, satyr, etc.)
For 3.5e, playable fey are scattered throughout the Monster Manuals, as well as other sourcebooks. Here's a post over on the BG boards (which is the new home for all the crazy-good CharOp people that got sick of the WotC boards) on all the +1 and +2 LA races, broken out by type.
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=4886.0
Note that since it only goes up to LA +2, it misses some of the more classic fey, like the LA +4 pixie (they make truly scary warlocks, for instance).
The LeShay were introduced in the Epic Level Handbook, and I think that's pretty much the only place there's info on them. They're definitely not a player race, outside of very custom games. |
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Eldacar
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 03:44:39
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
Are there any playable fey races other than Elves in 3.5e and lower? I' really interested in the Eladrin amd leShay. I've tried to find info on the leSha but have come up dry.
LeShay are much too epic in level to be used as player characters, unless you play high-epic already (in which case, you'd need to work something out with the DM).
Eladrin are similarly problematic. However, the Book of Exalted Deeds has the Courre (you start with 2 Racial Hit Die and a Level Adjustment of +5), the Firre (8 RHD, LA +10), Shiradi (12 RHD, +12 LA) and Tulani (18 RHD, +12 LA). The only one even remotely viable for a non-epic game is the Courre. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 03:57:40
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Find a copy of Bastion Press's Faeries. There are some fae races in there.  |
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Markustay
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 04:48:53
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| Spirit-folk in Unapproachable East. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 14:35:34
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Originally posted by Markustay
Spirit-folk in Unapproachable East.
And in Oriental Adventures. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 21:12:41
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Shadar-kai?
Tough I don't think any of the fey races are properly roleplayable, they're too alien. |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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666 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 22:12:22
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| I really would love some lore on the LeShay and could someone please provide an example character write up? Plus I'm particularly fond of epic goodness. Something about high level stuff just makes me giddy :D |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 22:13:27
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| There isn't a character write-up, that's what we've been saying. Just use the monster entry in the Epic Handbook. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 22:34:50
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| The Spirit Folk from 1E OA are fey? What of the Hengeyokai? |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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666 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 22:38:42
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| What I was saying is that could someone MAKE one. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 01:30:03
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Originally posted by Arik
The Spirit Folk from 1E OA are fey? What of the Hengeyokai?
Always liked the hengeyokai, myself. I'd not make them fae, though.
I don't know that I'd consider Spirit Folk as fae, either. Similar, perhaps, but different. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 01:48:47
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Arik
The Spirit Folk from 1E OA are fey? What of the Hengeyokai?
Always liked the hengeyokai, myself. I'd not make them fae, though.
I don't know that I'd consider Spirit Folk as fae, either. Similar, perhaps, but different.
I'm inclined to agree. The OA version of the Spirit Folk doesn't really read as "fae" to me. I'm more content to assume "fae-ish," for the Spirit Folk -- perhaps occupying a peripheral branch of the overall Fae-tree of the Realms.
In fact, I'd tend to place the Spirit Folk into the "spiritual/ancestral worship" category... playing up the more Eastern-mythos that OA has traditionally been built upon. |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 02:17:38
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| Could someone please do a write up of a LeShay and provide me with lore links? |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 02:29:19
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| I'm not sure I can see any meaningful difference, Sage. Ancestral fey spirit folk? lol, the presence of things such as baelnorn, living mythals, telkiira, and moonblades suggests to me that fey do not understand ancestral spirits in our (OA) context. |
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Ayrik
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 04:15:08
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Originally posted by Arik
I'm not sure I can see any meaningful difference, Sage. Ancestral fey spirit folk? lol, the presence of things such as baelnorn, living mythals, telkiira, and moonblades suggests to me that fey do understand ancestral spirits in our (OA) context.
I think the difference is in the origin. At least as I see it, fae originate, either directly or indirectly, from Faerie. Ancestral spirits, place spirits, animal spirits, and any other nature spirits you can name originate from somewhere else -- either divine realms, or as manifestations of belief or divine power in the material world. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 04:30:28
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I've corrected my (twice quoted) typo above. Oops.
Yes, I agree ... the difference is in origins and perceptions. Basically a difference in terminology.
My confusion stems from my (non D&D) understanding of what the fey are: basically something "immortal" which is already entwined with the "spirit" of things. It wouldn't be the first time that Eastern and Western philosophies use different terms and perspectives to describe the same concepts. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 04:30:38
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Wooly has the right of it. Fae spirits tend toward having otherworldly origins, that often have little to do with the mortal world. While eastern ancestral spirits are regularly grounded in the mortal realm, given their terrestrial origins.
Thus, in my eyes at least, spirit folk are more firmly grounded in the mortal world, than the fae-spirits that come from Faerie, for example.
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Originally posted by Arik
I'm not sure I can see any meaningful difference, Sage. Ancestral fey spirit folk? lol, the presence of things such as baelnorn, living mythals, telkiira, and moonblades suggests to me that fey do understand ancestral spirits in our (OA) context.
I suppose it just comes down to how we each individually perceive traditional eastern ancestral spirits, and those of the elven variety. The nature-spirit element that's tied up in the spirit folk probably underlines the likelihood of there being little difference between the two.
It's just that I've very well-defined elven ancestral worship in my Realms, that's entirely divorced from the more commonplace concept of eastern spiritual worship. That's likely why I'm seeing a difference here.
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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666 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 22:04:01
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| Can we please get back on subject?!? |
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Brynweir
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 22:37:59
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I really don't see how they are off the subject. You asked "Are there any playable fey races other than Elves in 3.5e and lower?"
They are discussing what would pass as a fey race, and Arik gave you a nice link so you could attempt to make a Leshay character if you wish. What is the problem?
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AleksanderTheGreat
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 22:46:53
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You're not MAKING it for him, thats the problem. :|
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Aryalómë
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 22:47:20
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| Well, they wete debating whether spirit folk were fey, and I'm really anxious to get some LeShay lore. |
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AleksanderTheGreat
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 22:49:09
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| Epic Level Handbook. That's where you can find the race and probably some lore on it. |
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Joran Nobleheart
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 22:52:12
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| Tradwitch, calm down. You're getting overly excited about nothing. Let the people here discuss topics and related to better assist you. That is, I would assume, why you are here, correct? Also, you might try the tome Faeries for some races and PrC ideas as well, as Wooly suggested. It's the sourcebook I use when I run a game in Faerie, the original home of the elves. And if it is characters you're wanting made, I suggest you break out some dice and a few books and begin creating them. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 22:53:31
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Hoondatha
For 2e, the absolute best source is the Complete Book of Humanoids. It gives you the write-ups for more than a dozen monster races, including several fey (centaur, pixie, swanmay, satyr, etc.)
Verily, a worthy book.
About centaurs: Why humanlike/horse hybrids? Wouldn't elflike/horse hybrids seem more consistent with their fey origins? |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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666 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 23:11:55
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| Are there any descriptions of Nymphs from FR anywhere? |
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 25 Mar 2011 : 23:59:45
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@Arik: Well, if you look at the centaurs in more recent movies (I think I'm thinking about Harry Potter and Narnia), a lot of them have "elven" features on their humanoid half. Meaning more angular faces and more pointed ears than the human norm. So there is already a fair amount of elven/fey influence in recent depictions.
Probably the main reason centaurs tend to be described as more human than elven (aside from their Earth-origins describing steppe nomads, who actually were humans on horses) is that centaurs tend to be described as "burly." That's not a body type that's associated with a lot of elves, either in mythology or FR, so it sort of defaults to human instead, with a smattering of elf and/or horse features for flavor. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 00:18:26
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
Can we please get back on subject?!?
Given the rather broad scope of this scroll's title, it would seem to allow the discussion of most PC fey races -- including spirit folk.
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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 00:21:52
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
Well, they wete debating whether spirit folk were fey, and I'm really anxious to get some LeShay lore.
Yes. Though do bear in mind that this is a community that encourages participation from all scribes who have an interest in topics under discussion.
Scrolls, thus, will often feature various threads of discussion about a certain topic. We do not all exist solely to answer only one scribe's query. Each and every scribe has their own perspectives and queries that will come up during a pre-existing discussion.
We cannot [nor should not] completely control how or when this occurs. It is the nature of virtual discussion online.
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