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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 05:19:25
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That was kind of the point, I thought. They were a dying people. They were the first elves that actually made me feel for their plight, partly because of how flawed they were. Not to mention the amazng art design.
A lot of it boils down to Luke Goss' preformance as the prince. He was able to do something I thought was impossible; play a badass elf. Drizzt has nothing on that guy. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 05:31:29
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| While I'm generally against a live action Drizzt movie(pro animated, though), I'll admit that Goss playing him might actually get me to like the character. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 05:33:00
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I've yet to use the Fey'ri extensively, but I have plans. One of my PCs is a gold-elf and Sarya needs breeding stock. I, myself, don't see the elves as paragons of goodness and purity. Even your average run-of-the-mill elf has had CENTURIES to get into some dirt. That is one of the reasons I like, say, Elaith so much. Or drow. Or the Eldreth Veluuthra. I think they make for wonderfully complex characters. Add in a little Tanar'ri blood and you've got a perfectly reasonable explanation for some heinous atrocities. Graceful, decadent and deceptive.
As for the githari. I gave that a couple minutes of thought. Firstly, there is no moon in the Astral/Limbo, so what would govern their lycanthropic changes? Also, the types of creatures that make traditional shapeshifters definitely wouldn't thrive there. Any suggestions? I'm not all that familiar with planar ecologies. As for the whole dualistic nature thing. That, I think makes for great role playing, but that may just be me.
Now, some kind of corrupted drow version of lythari? That makes me go, hmmm. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 05:53:53
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| Aw, I don't dislike all elves. Some of them taste quite good. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 06:20:25
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Alright, my fave flavors of elf, in descending order:
fey'ri
lythari
moon elves
I love the idea of evil shapechanging elves. Elves that turn into wolves are really cool... And of the "standard" elven races, moon elves are the most adaptable and the ones most likely to mix it up with other races. So I like 'em. 
You know, I see a lot of love for the fey'ri, but I can never really understand why. Maybe it's just because I've neither read all that much about them, nor used them to any significant degree in my campaigns.
I'm curious, though, about the opinions from those who do like them. Why is this so?
Like I said, evil shapechanging elves. I like that. They're elven, but pretty much as far away from elves as you can get. The fiendish blood can be spun so many ways, and it's just not something you'd expect to find in elves. And I've got a thing for shapechangers, too.
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Alystra Illianniis
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 06:36:26
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| Yes, the more I think about it, some sort of Fey Dark-Elven Werewolves may have a place in my Realms. I imagine the drow have some lore regarding the ritual that the lythari use to create others of their kind. Perhaps it survived the Descent. Gold-elven Vampires and Dark-elven Werewolves?!? This is getting cliche' and out of hand. Somebody stop me!! |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 07:42:53
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| *mutters, sputters, spits out a tooth* Thank you! Agreed. |
Misanthorpe
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 08:20:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Like I said, evil shapechanging elves. I like that. They're elven, but pretty much as far away from elves as you can get. The fiendish blood can be spun so many ways, and it's just not something you'd expect to find in elves. And I've got a thing for shapechangers, too.
I guess I've never really put much stock in their shapechanging aspects. But I'm intrigued enough, now, to want to take a further look into the fey'ri. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 08:27:49
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I think part of my dislike for elves is that they are slim, speedy creatures that are none the less often invicible combatants. I've mentioned before my distaste for the big strong guy getting the shaft compared to the little quick guy for so long that the big, strong guy can offically be considered the underdog. Especially since strength in reality doesn't imply a lack of speed, skill, or intelligence.
This is a broad generalization, of course. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 08:31:48
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Not favorites, but those I can normally read about without having the usual tendency to throw an elfy book: drow and fey'ri. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 08:48:20
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He also made it fairly clear that Westly was no match for his skill with a rock.
Fezzik also isn't a great example because Andre the Gaint could barely move by that point in his life; he had severe health problems because the human body just is not meant to get that big.
For some examples of size, strength, speed, skill, and brains, I got two names for you(also pro wrestlers, who've moved onto MMA); Brock Lesner and Bobby Lashly.
Or if we want to stay more in the realm of fiction, check out episode five of the show Spartacus: Blood and Sand, for the character Theokles, for a nice example of a big guy who can move. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 08:53:10
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| I'm not convinced Lesnar is entirely human. I think he may be at least part ogre. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 08:56:36
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Part orc, maybe.
Side note; 4e half orcs get +2 to str and dex, which makes me very happy. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:13:59
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| As a slender speedy agile guy I can confirm that letting the big muscular grapply guy get a good solid grip means game over. Some of these guys are slugs, and as it turns out, actually not very strong at all. But the healthy ones aren't slow by any means ... muscle adds speed, there's some tradeoff because the muscle itself has bulk and mass, but big guys can be built like tanks and hard to hit. The only advantage I (the slender fast guy) have is the ability to stay out of reach and outrun the bastards. Hardly a winning strategy unless perhaps I have a gun. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:24:34
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They also generally have reach and can often take a hit better. There's a reason fighting sports are separated by weight class.
In a sword fight, it takes a fair amount of strength to get a blade through armor. Especially slashing rather than piercing blades. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:27:52
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Or you can use hit-and-run tactics to wear them down. However, there is ONE major advantage that I (as a slender- and relatively small- and fast girl) find gets overlooked. Being able to get UNDER a big guy's defenses. You'd be surprised how little larger folks pay attention to the lower half during a fight. Get down below their reach, and you often have a clear shot at some VERY vulnerable parts! (Which may not be game over, but is often enough to take the fight out of them, as I can attest.)
I don't watch MMA or the stuff which is jokingly called pro-wrestling these days. Most of those guys are all bark and no (or little) bite from what I've seen. And Andre might have been suffering health problems at that time, but I'm talking about the characters, not the actors. It was basically the same in the book (with much more dialog, some of it very funny, that was cut out in the movie for time concerns), which was written before the movie ever came out. And Fezzik did not say anything about Westley not stand a chance against him with a rock, he just said he didn't have to miss. He did that simply because he wanted an honorable fight, not an ambush. Big difference between that and actually trying to his a target that knows you're aiming at them. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:32:33
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I didn't say Fezzik said anything about him not being a match for his rock, I said he made it clear. By throwing a rock with enough force that the damn thing shattered. If he had hit Westly, he would have cracked his skull or caved his chest in.
And going under someone's defenses has a major disadvantage all its own; it's called getting grabbed and having a knee slammed in your face repeatedly. This tactic has worked well for me in the past. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:38:40
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| Now, to be clear, I'm not saying that no elf can beat a bigger, stronger race in a fight. I'm not saying that size and strength are instant win buttons. I'm saying they don't get nearly as much credit as they deserve in fantasy, or fiction in general. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:44:44
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Yeah, I know he didn't say that, but the point I was making is that he only had the one chance to hit him. Once Westley knew he was there, he could have moved too close for the rock to be effective before he could throw another one. That works both ways, you know. Strong-arm tactics only work the first time. After that, the quicker guy is going to adjust for it, and you've lost your chance.
And kneeing someone in the face is great, assuming you are able to do that. Depends on the tactics of the little guy. I've had people try that on me, and it doesn't work if you can dodge it. By UNDER, I don't just mean ducking a bit. More like duck and dive. Or whatever it takes. I'm rather fond of dropping to the floor and getting them from BELOW. Most people expect the attack to come from at least waist level, so if you come UP at them from the ground, they tend to be caught off-guard. No defense. Unless they know what you're doing, and most don't. It also leave you a clear shot at the knees, which will usually end the fight. You just have to get back out again before they can retaliate if you happen to miss. Never had that problem though. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:50:20
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We could argue about whether or not he could have hit with the second rock. I think he could, you think he couldn't, don't see it going further from there.
And I'm not talking about people who don't know what they're doing. I don't care about people who don't know what they're doing in a fight. People who don't know what they're doing in a fight have no business being in a fight, in real life or in fiction. Am I supposed to be impressed Drizzt can kill sixty people who don't have a clue what they're doing? Or am I supposed to wonder why they didn't surround and dogpile his ass and smother him to death? Because I'll tell you exactly which reaction reading that exact scene left me with, and it wasn't being impressed. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:55:17
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"You mean you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword, and we'll try to kill each other like civilized people?"
Hit and run still requires the hit part, which means briefly closing into the big guy's reach. He might not always be as fast as you, but he's fast enough. Plus you need to score repeated successful hits to wear him down while he can just drop you faster than a toilet seat. Dirty fighting is really more about surprise than actually inflicting damage, experienced fighters aren't as surprised and recover more quickly. Weapons are basically force multipliers, outcomes become overwhelmingly one-sided unless both opponents are very closely matched or somebody lands a crippling lucky shot. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 09:59:25
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| A great example of the diffuculties faced by the small quick guy against the big strong guy who knows what he's doing is the Tony Jaa film The Protector. Also demonstrates a great tactic for such a fight; go for the tendons. Doesn't matter how big or strong they are, cut that and they will go down. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 10:06:28
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| Is that the film about the elephant guardian? It had some outstanding stunts and amazing fight scene choreography, but I recall it also had too many Nooooooo derf moments. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 10:07:50
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| Yes, it is. And yes, it did on both counts. Still, one of my favorite martial arts movies. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 10:22:42
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| And thus I rest my case on why elves should be lousy hand-to-hand fighters. Especially when compared against a properly gritty grumbly mountain dwarf. Elves should stick to what they were built for, archery and spellflinging. |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 11:35:26
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Ummmmmm kinda gettin off subject here XD Alystra, you can find things out about Star Elves in Unaproachable East, The Twilight Tomb, Stardeep, and Farthest Reach which is the second novel in The Last Mythal trilogy.
Well, Eladrin/Elves are my FAVORITE race. I hate fey'ri tjough and non full blood Tel-Quessir. And non canon wise, I LOVE the Ghost Elves too!!! They are absolutely amazing! And I love their appearance ane abilities too!!!
Star Elves are NOT Moon Elves. They are their own sub race, with their own racial physical appearance and abilities. They weren't cowards either when they created Sildeyuir (which has now merged with Faerie). They did what was best for their ace, t save them from those @$!@!?* humans. They probably could have won too, if some of the other races could have helpe them. |
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