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Dennis
Great Reader
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 Posted - 18 Jan 2011 : 22:31:24
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| You will most probably enjoy The Kobalos Trilogy by Ty Johnston. It is set in a city of rogues, which is actually the title of the first book. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 18 Jan 2011 : 22:55:04
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Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser are more than a little roguish -- particularly the Grey Mouser.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 01:06:00
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| I've already mentioned Raymond E. Feist's novels, but his works almost always provide a balanced exposure of rogues/fighters and magicians. The ones that focus more on the former are Jimmy The Hand, The King's Buccaneer, and the Conclave of Shadows trilogy. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 06:55:48
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I can recommend without reservation Scott Lynch's Lies of Locke Lamora. I was much pleased by that book, and it's very picaresque (i.e. rogue who wins with his wits).
Also, I never pass up the chance to recommend either Paul Kemp (whom it sounds like you've read) and Jim Hines, who's just awesome.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Lady Fellshot
Senior Scribe
USA
379 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 07:17:40
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| I second the Jim C. Hines recommendation. Red Hood's Revenge is excellent and the Goblin books are awesome as well. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 22:12:42
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| I recommend The Farseer Trilogy by Robin Hobb; Sword of the Apocalypse by David Liss; Assassin's Creed: Renaissance and Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood by Oliver Bowden, even if you don't play the game. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 22:35:23
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I've really been enjoying the anthology Swords & Dark Magic edited by Jonathan Strahan and Lou Anders. It's available in a nice trade from HarperCollins' Eos sf/fantasy imprint and it seems like I heard Subterranean will be doing it up as one of their nice limited editions if they haven't already.
It's subtitled "The New Sword & Sorcery" and has pieces by lots of folks mentioned in this thread so far. I've got a minute so I'll go ahead and list the authors: Joe Abercrombie, CJ Cherryh, Glen Cook (new Black Company story), James Enge, Steven Erikson, Greg Keyes, Caitlin R. Kiernan, Tim Lebbon, Tanith Lee, Scott Lynch, Michael Moorcock (new Elric novella), Garth Nix, KJ Parker, Michael Shea, Robert Silverberg (new Majipoor story), Bill Willingham, and Gene Wolfe.
Anyway, worth an interlibrary loan at the very least if you can't get it otherwise. Lots of interesting stuff here that, taken altogether, provides a nice snapshot of the current state of play of sword & sorcery (outside gaming and other tie-in fiction, anyway).
Cheers,
Christopher
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 22:43:07
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2011 : 23:46:55
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Originally posted by Dennis
New Majipoor story? Hmm...
 Did I spell it wrong, maybe?
--cvr
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 00:12:35
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No, Chris. That and some other new stories you mentioned are enough to make me want to read that anthology. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
879 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 00:14:03
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| Ah! Well, I hope you enjoy it! There are some really good pieces in there. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2011 : 20:54:54
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Originally posted by TheGato
Although, in between my last post and today I decided to go with The First Law: Book One, The Blade Itself, By Joe Abercrombie.
Has anyone read that yet?
it's probably my favourite series in the last couple of years, the fifth book was released recently
other similar authors recommended
GRRM
Paul Kearney
R Scott Bakker (first two in Prince of Nothing at least)
I second Locke Lamora (and the first half of Red Seas Under Red Skies is good)
maybe also
Patrick Rothfuss
Daniel Abraham
Steven Erikson (first 4-5) and IC Esselmont (Stonewielder particularly)
Brandon Sanderson (The Way of Kings, Mistborn is decent too)
Guy Kay (Under Heaven, but it's oriental)
legendary rogues beside the Grey Mouser are Cugel the Claver (Vance) and Jack of Shadows (Zelazny) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31726 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 01:00:05
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I'll also recommend just about everything by Neil Gaiman... including his comics and various graphic novels. Of special note are American Gods, The Sandman, and Fragile Things.
Also, China Miéville, who has quickly become a master of speculative fiction. His latest work, Kraken, is a work you would not normally expect to find coming from such an author. A truly unexpectedly welcome read. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 01:19:41
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Originally posted by Quale
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Originally posted by TheGato
Although, in between my last post and today I decided to go with The First Law: Book One, The Blade Itself, By Joe Abercrombie.
Has anyone read that yet?
it's probably my favourite series in the last couple of years, the fifth book was released recently
other similar authors recommended
GRRM
Paul Kearney
R Scott Bakker (first two in Prince of Nothing at least)
I second Locke Lamora (and the first half of Red Seas Under Red Skies is good)
maybe also
Patrick Rothfuss
Daniel Abraham
Steven Erikson (first 4-5) and IC Esselmont (Stonewielder particularly)
Brandon Sanderson (The Way of Kings, Mistborn is decent too)
Guy Kay (Under Heaven, but it's oriental)
legendary rogues beside the Grey Mouser are Cugel the Claver (Vance) and Jack of Shadows (Zelazny)
I like Sanderson's works, too. But The Way of Kings tends to be boring. While I love "fat" fiction, I must say Sanderson used a lot of fillers in that book---irrelevant descriptions. He said it's the first of what he plans to be a ten-part series. Heh, I'm not so sure if I'd bother reading the next book.
I only read one book by Guy Gavriel Kay, and didn't bother reading his other works, despite the many positive reviews by common readers and critics. His The Summer Tree was like a sleeping pill.
I second Patrick Rothfuss, though---absolutely one of those who are rising to greatness. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 09:39:26
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I don't think there was much filler, the main guy's childhood flashbacks maybe. The book leaves enough mystery for me to continue reading for a few more. The same way I don't want asoiaf to resolve. On the other hand Rothufuss' novel seemed unfinished.
You picked by far the worst of Kay's books. Tough most of them are very low magic and comparing to the Way of Kings, they contain ''filler''. It's almost historical fiction with rare fantastical elements, sometimes I find that annoying too.
I second Mieville (particularly Perdido and the Scar, Kraken starts slow but turns crazy) and Gaiman (read only the Sandman, Neverwhere and a half of American Gods). |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 10:14:38
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Originally posted by Quale
On the other hand Rothufuss' novel seemed unfinished.
It is. It’s the first book in the trilogy, in the first place.
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Originally posted by Quale
You picked by far the worst of Kay's books. Tough most of them are very low magic and comparing to the Way of Kings, they contain ''filler''. It's almost historical fiction with rare fantastical elements, sometimes I find that annoying too.
Unfortunately, I have no plan yet to read his other books, in the same way I’m avoiding Christie Golden’s WoW novels. Her Arthas novel was so brilliantly written that after reading I threw it without hesitation.
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Originally posted by Quale
I second Mieville (particularly Perdido and the Scar, Kraken starts slow but turns crazy) and Gaiman (read only the Sandman, Neverwhere and a half of American Gods).
I like his Stardust. ‘Tis fraught with fairy tale twists. I remember reading it in one sitting.
I have one more recommendation: Janny Wurts. Without a doubt a master of her craft! Her Light and Shadows and The Cycle of Fire series are excellent! She also co-wrote with Feist the Empire Saga. |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
1814 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 17:36:27
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| Of the Gaiman books I've read, my favorite was The Graveyard Book. I always like to recommend that one in particular because I believe it was marketed as Young Adult, which might lead some people to pass it up. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 17:55:26
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| Yes, 'tis for YA. amazon.com states: Reading level: Ages 9-12. 'Tis an allegory of childhood. Two of my students quite enjoyed reading it. But I don't yet have that gotta-have-it feeling, so... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31726 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 00:56:01
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
Of the Gaiman books I've read, my favorite was The Graveyard Book. I always like to recommend that one in particular because I believe it was marketed as Young Adult, which might lead some people to pass it up.
That's a possibility. Though, I read it with Narnra, and she's six-and-a-bit, and she thoroughly enjoyed it.  |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 10:59:26
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
Of the Gaiman books I've read, my favorite was The Graveyard Book. I always like to recommend that one in particular because I believe it was marketed as Young Adult, which might lead some people to pass it up.
That's a possibility. Though, I read it with Narnra, and she's six-and-a-bit, and she thoroughly enjoyed it.
wow.lucky for you sage.i have to read enid blyton books with my seven year old.they were great as kids but its a real struggle for me to stay interested now.i might try and convert him to paul kemp.actually.better not.dont want him having nightmares of the plane of shadow. |
go back to sleep america.everything is under control.heres american gladiators.watch this.shuttup. BILL HICKS. |
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Ecaporaso
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 12:01:49
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Here are some of my favorite "outside the realms" selections:
If you want something intellectually stimulating/super-fun: "Cryptonomicon" or "Snow Crash" by Neil Stephenson (historical fiction and science fiction respectively)
If you want suspense/thriller - Any "Jack Reacher" novel by Lee Child (just google jack reacher, there's a ton, all good)
If you want hard scifi - "A Deepness in the Sky" by Vernor Vinge
If you want to become a better human - "Of Human Bondage" or "The Razors Edge" by Somerset Maugham (one of my favorite authors)
I don't know what I'd do without books... :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36797 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 14:10:30
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Originally posted by Ecaporaso
Here are some of my favorite "outside the realms" selections:
If you want something intellectually stimulating/super-fun: "Cryptonomicon" or "Snow Crash" by Neil Stephenson (historical fiction and science fiction respectively)
If you want suspense/thriller - Any "Jack Reacher" novel by Lee Child (just google jack reacher, there's a ton, all good)
If you want hard scifi - "A Deepness in the Sky" by Vernor Vinge
If you want to become a better human - "Of Human Bondage" or "The Razors Edge" by Somerset Maugham (one of my favorite authors)
I don't know what I'd do without books... :)
Snow Crash was too weird for me. And I have issues with the nature of the virus in that book.
I know other people have liked it, but it's not one I would recommend. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 14:41:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Snow Crash was too weird for me.
All of Neal Stephenson's books are weird. And some people like weird stuff. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31726 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 15:14:30
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Snow Crash was too weird for me. And I have issues with the nature of the virus in that book.
I often recommend people who are new to Stephenson's works, to read his other books first. Leave Snow Crash until the very end. At least then, you'll know what to expect when you come to this "complicated" work. |
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Lady Fellshot
Senior Scribe
USA
379 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 15:43:26
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Snow Crash was too weird for me.
All of Neal Stephenson's books are weird. And some people like weird stuff.
When it comes to weird, I prefer Jeff Vandermeer. |
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Lady Fellshot
Senior Scribe
USA
379 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 15:47:13
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| There's also all kinds of really good anthologies around, if you like short stories. I've been digging most of Steampunk edited by Ann and Jeff Vandermeer. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 16:00:59
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Originally posted by Lady Fellshot
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Snow Crash was too weird for me.
All of Neal Stephenson's books are weird. And some people like weird stuff.
When it comes to weird, I prefer Jeff Vandermeer.
I rarely read weird books, myself. And there's a certain level of weirdness I can tolerate. Stephenson's weirdness is just okay. Though I recall some books, mostly the combined genre sci-fi-and-GLBT, that are so insanely weird I'm positive the authors must be mad. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 16:03:45
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| TheGato, I also recommend The Child Thief by Brom. It's a dark version of Peter Pan. Truly poetic in a wicked and twisted way. |
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Lady Fellshot
Senior Scribe
USA
379 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 16:08:07
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TheGato, I also recommend The Child Thief by Brom. It's a dark version of Peter Pan. Truly poetic in a wicked and twisted way.
Seconded although it's very much less about Wendy and more about defining "manhood" and the achievement thereof. I've also been flipping through Plucked and despite all the reviews saying "darker Velveteen Rabbit" it looks more like an even darker redux of Petroushka. |
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