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Dennis
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 Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 19:43:26
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I kinda like "The Spectral Cabal of the Fallen Oath." A big improvement from its common garish name.
Anyway, I wonder why no one ever mentioned Threat from the Sea. Is it so inconsequential that people - especially those who read the books - seem to forget all about it? |
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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 19:55:52
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I did mention it - TWICE.
Once in regards to what I HAVE read, and also to note that Elain and Ed (in City of Splendors were the only authors to EVER reference a previous RSE (except for the ToT, which gets mentioned quite a bit).
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The nigh-complete annihilation of the empire is just one of the things I don't really like about the Fall.
There were three (major) survivor-states, and at least two (three if we consider at least some Bedine have Netherease blood) other groups that were a combination of Netherease refugees and native peoples (the Hartsvale humans and the Rengardt barbarians). There was also another kingdom, I think founded with dwarves, but I can't recall the details and I very well could be mistaken.
The Netherease didn't just 'up and disappear' - it took several centuries for most of their great culture to be wiped-away.
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I agree. Regardless if the noted event is considered RSE or not, I loved it. Let elves and elven culture rise and flourish again. Same goes for dwarves. Realms where they play only a marginal role and are on brink of extinction are not fun realms - in my book.
On the other hand, as a DM, a city of Elves is not anywhere near as useful to me as a bunch of ruins. The elves returning to Cormanthor eliminated a vast region as far as playability goes. Unless Samwise wants to see an Elf, there is absolutely no reason to go there any more (IMHO).
From a Meta-gaming PoV, we know that Rich Baker knew that Evermeet was going bye-bye, so what we have there is a consolidation of regions into a MUCH smaller playing-area (note that Shou are everywhere now, and they made sure to add a GHotR entry stating a group of Mazticans were brought to Faerūn before it vanished). One of the objectives of 4e was to eliminate the (wrongful) impression that FR was "just too big" (in scope, both physical area and pre-existing lore). They even eliminated Halruaa & Lantan, and made Dambrath far less interesting, because they were too far south to be 'of much use'. Consolidation and elimination were keywords in their 4e plans.
All IMHO, of course.
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Originally posted by Acolyte Thirteen
I am very suprised by these visceral reactions! Interesting that the definition of RSE's is evolving as we speak! Not until now has events like "the fall of Athalantar" and "the fall of Netheril" been considered RSE's.
Blue Blade, I'm not sure you fully understand my point! I articulated my point very well, as well!
Oh well, no reason to waste words!
It should evolve, and I agree with Arik that the Fall of Netheril is a BIGGIE.
However, for the sake of discussion (this one in-particular), I think that we should refer to events such as these as either PRSE's (past) or HRSE's (Historic). We could even sub-divide and use both - for instance, the Fall of Netheril would be a PRSE, and the Sundering would be a HRSE, but there really isn't much of a point to doing that. I would suggest that we only use the term 'RSE' to describe events that have happened in-setting.
The only point I want to make regarding that is that for some of us (myself included) the ToT is a PRSE, simply because we came-in after that had already happened, which is probably it why is more widely excepted by the fanbase.
And once-again I reiterate, there is no such thing as a bad idea, only poor implementation (in regards to a fantasy setting - I'm sure there have been plenty of 'bad ideas' in other venues). |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 20:05:46
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Originally posted by Dracons
Which, from what I've gathered so far, is any book that dares deal with anything other then epic wizards that can destroy entire universes, going against epic wizards that can destroy time and space. Each must be in an army of super balor demons, and nothing average, like an Orc.
I hit the nail? You even stated before you refuse to read any book that doesn't have a wizard type as main character, and never a fighter main character.
Not exactly. More like my fingernail.
Seriously, a wizard doesn't need to be powerful to peak my interest. The heroine in Frostfell is far from powerful. Heh, her teleportation spell was only limited to short distances. But I like that book. I like the father-son and mother-son angles of it. Admittedly, I would have been happier had there been no mongrels involved.
Manshoon is undeniably powerful. But he's a cockroach, so I avoid Manshooony novels as much as possible.
Dragons, live or otherwise, possess considerable power, too. But I never like them, despite any personality given to them. The only time I begin to like the stinky lizards is when they become a wizard's lapdogs, like Malygris to Telamont.
Fighters as protagonists are fine, as long as some of the supporting characters are wizards. 'Tis the sole reason I was able to bear reading YoRD, despite that Dorn is my least favorite of Richard's characters. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 20:17:30
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I like the PRSE idea a lot. Netheril as an RSE seemed somehow awkward to me; PRSE is a perfect solution. I wish I'd thought of it, thanx Markus.
Where you draw the line between PRSE and RSE is a good question. Maybe 1RSE, 2RSE, 3RSE, etc could be used to clarify timeline details a bit. I'm not familiar with all the RSEs so I don't know if some of these boundaries would blur between rules editions or not.
Can anyone point out or make a compiled list of RSEs (just the name/title, year/DR, location and relative magnitude, all as brief as possible) that we can all use as a common reference? No doubt it would contain some details that are based on personal judgements but at least it's a start. (Or am I laughably naive and deluded because this has already been attempted and failed spectacularly many times before?)
I've never heard of Threat from the Sea, sorry. A novel? A trilogy? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 20:25:45
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by dennis
The nigh-complete annihilation of the empire is just one of the things I don't really like about the Fall.
There were three (major) survivor-states, and at least two (three if we consider at least some Bedine have Netherease blood) other groups that were a combination of Netherease refugees and native peoples (the Hartsvale humans and the Rengardt barbarians). There was also another kingdom, I think founded with dwarves, but I can't recall the details and I very well could be mistaken.
The Netherease didn't just 'up and disappear' - it took several centuries for most of their great culture to be wiped-away.
Clearly, you did not read my prior post which is relevant to that. To quote myself:
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The survivors (the city of Shade, Selunnara, Larloch, the Halruaans, and a few others) somehow abated my dislike at the Fall. They may just be a tiny portion of their lost empire; their combined strength may be way puny compared to that of Old Netheril; but still, through them, Netheril survived.
Besides, I know you know I read and like RotA and TW. Hence I AM aware that there are survivors of the Fall. I'm surprised you saw the need to write such comment. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 20:30:27
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Originally posted by Arik
I've never heard of Threat from the Sea, sorry. A novel? A trilogy?
It's a trilogy. Unlike some RSEs which were mentioned in novels other than the ones dedicated to them, this RSE, AFAIK, was only mentioned in City of Splendors. More like to show that history repeats itself. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 20:37:53
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Now that I finished reading the thread, I got tired of editing my above post over and over again. 
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Originally posted by Arik
Mystryl should indeed have known of Karsus' scheme; he couldn't possibly have devised a spell formula without her knowledge.<Major Snippage>
There is some lore surrounding the events that came out at the tail-end of 3e in regards to Shar's involvement. I haven't really read through that adventure-arc fully, so I am not privy to the details. However, if Shar did steer Karsus down that path (which others have alluded to in regards to the new lore), then it seems reasonable that the keeper of 'dark secrets' can hide something from 'the Lady of Mysteries' (because a mystery is just a secret laid-bare). 
I had my own lore in regards to what happened, to make 'better sense' of why Mystryl allowed it, which still works with the new, official lore regarding Shar. Either way, Shar being involved was one decision that I whole-heartedly agree with,, because it makes PERFECT sense.
A Note on Lore: I find it VERY interesting that the Netherease magical knowledge was based almost entirely upon the Nether scrolls (except for whatever they stole from Thaeravel), and that those scrolls contained 'strange magic' recorded by the Creator Races. I had always suspected that at least some of the lore contained therein was NOT Weave-based, and recently that the Creator actually arose prior to the Weave itself. Gray Richardson was kind-enough to point me in the direction of some new lore which supports this (proving that there was some thought put-into the 'why' of things for 4e).
Ergo, I postulate that the magic used to steal Mystra's power had very little to do with the Weave, and therefor fell outside of her portfolio and her control.
Bravo, 4e; I applaud that line of reasoning and the logic behind it.
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Originally posted by Arik
I've never heard of Threat from the Sea, sorry. A novel? A trilogy?
It's a trilogy. Unlike some RSEs which were mentioned in novels other than the ones dedicated to them, this RSE, AFAIK, was only mentioned in City of Splendors.
Actually four books - there was an anthology that I never bothered to read (although I did read the trilogy). I have always meant to go-back and read that, but every time I find it on the shelf at the bookstore I find something else I want more. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 20:50:18
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The anthology is entitled Realms of the Deep, not Threat from the Sea.
I often forget every anthology that accompanies a trilogy, as I seldom read it. Heh, I remember buying Realms of War and only reading Continuum. Short fiction isn't my thing. Too short for my taste. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 20:53:47
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I'll look for the (4 book) Threat from the Sea Realms from the Deep trilogy then, since you guys seem to be implicitly recommending it. Without knowing a thing about it yet, I'll just comment that it seems like it can't have been all that much of an RSE if not many people have even heard of it.
Interference by Shar during the fall of Netheril is quite consistent and plausible. More elegant than some of my wilder speculation, to be sure. (Though I am still somewhat partial to the theory of Karsus being anonymously born as demipower and never detected as such because he didn't recognize it himself, simply attempting to ascend to godhood out of pure divine instinct. But, as stated before, Karsus as a pure human has its merits as well.)
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I'll confess that after reading and reflecting upon this line about five times it still makes absolutely no sense to me at all. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 20:58:25
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| There's an omnibus of it. You might want to buy it instead. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 21:08:00
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Originally posted by dennis
There's an omnibus of it. You might want to buy it instead.
That's what I meant when I said I'd look for them, lol. But I'll try my favourite little bookstores first, then the big ugly corporate store, then the library if I must, and only buy online if there's no local option. Gotta have real paper, reading novel-sized pdfs isn't recreational. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 21:35:35
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Depends.
I barely remember it, which is very odd (and if you have learned anything about me, its that I have a phenomenal memory). IIRC, I did enjoy it as I read it, though.
I've been meaning to re-read it, but I want to wait until I have the anthology, so that I can fully understand everything that is going on; MUCH of the action takes-place off-camera, which I only realized after reading Sea of Fallen Stars (TSR11393). There's at least one Lich in there I want to read more about VERY much (IIRC, he is a former Mage Royal of Cormyr).
From what I gather, the trilogy deals mostly with what happened on the seas, and the anthology focuses more on what went on beneath them. I have never run an underwater adventure, so that aspect never interested me. I noticed quite a few entries in the GHotR concerned Seros, and I personally found it a waste of space (I would rather have had more entries dealing with stuff that actually affects my game).
However, I cannot begrudge it, because I know others found it interesting. I already owned it all in another product, and if there's one thing I hate more then paying for something I will never use, its paying for it twice. Not that it isn't any good, mind you - it just isn't my cup-of-tea.
I also found the ending of the trilogy left me a bit... underwhelmed. I REALLY thought it was going to go somewhere unexpected, and it turned-out to be very predictable
Which is strange, because I predicted the unpredictable, which means the predictable ending was unpredicted, in my case.
And now I've confused myself.... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 21:49:09
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| Water (be it under- or surface) adventure seldom interests me. The only one I enjoyed so far that has water adventure in it is the Abolethic Sovereignty trilogy. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 21:53:37
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I've always wanted to run a Pirate campaign, but alas, I haven't been able to get players that interested in one. 
Underwater doesn't interest me, but sailing does (and that was long before Johnny Depp made it 'kewl'). I rather enjoyed BRJ's sea-trade article in CKC9 (which complimented my own article in that same issue very well). |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 22:08:28
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| I like a story that involves sailing only if there's a Jack Sparrow in it. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Ayrik
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Posted - 12 Nov 2010 : 22:26:20
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| Talk Like A Pirate Day must surely be better than Talk Like A Parrot Day. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Nov 2010 : 03:38:42
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Originally posted by Markustay
I've been meaning to re-read it, but I want to wait until I have the anthology, so that I can fully understand everything that is going on; MUCH of the action takes-place off-camera, which I only realized after reading Sea of Fallen Stars (TSR11393). There's at least one Lich in there I want to read more about VERY much (IIRC, he is a former Mage Royal of Cormyr).
I think you're conflating a couple of characters... There's a lich named Vamar the Cold, who picked up his whole tower and dropped it into the sea. And there's Jorunhast, exiled Mage Royal of Cormyr, current Dukar. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Nov 2010 : 08:25:13
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| Should an event be considered an RSE only if it has long-lasting effects to the Realms? If so, it would discount a few events generally thought as RSEs. Some of them shook the Realms, but when things cooled down, everything went perfectly back to normal, as if nothing happened at all. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 13 Nov 2010 : 10:23:51
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I'd say that some events (like the Tuigan Horde riding through swathes of Faerūn, raping, pillaging, and burning everybody they met) don't truly qualify, even though they do change the face of the map significantly for at least a little while. Still I suppose they're worth mentioning on the RSE list.
A bunch of dark intrigue, skirmishes, and endless warring armies drifting back and forth like a bloody pendulum dangled between random neighbouring nations doesn't qualify, I think, no matter how many well-written trilogies they might pump out, because it's really nothing that imprints any permanent mark on the Realms beyond a few idly interesting craters and NPC obituaries. This is the sort of stuff that (in my mind) is better presented as sideline story arcs encompassed within a larger and more complex RSE story.
Curse of the Azure Bonds is a real borderline on the RSE list, since it adds an entire race (Saurials) and even a new godling (Finder) but otherwise just doesn't disrupt anything important. (It also introduced Moander, but he was easily digested and subsequently developed as accepted lore.)
The nuking of Zhentil Keep primarily affects only one major city but it also displaces the Zhentarim (who were firmly entrenched in the Realms) and involves Cyric, Bane, and Kelemvor to some extent. Not really an epic scope but I'd be inclined to say it's definitely a minor RSE because it makes some important changes to the setting with lasting global impact. (Besides, I don't mind the "new" Zhentil Keep deathtrap very much, personally.)
The Moonsea Dragon Rage of circa 1340/1356DR (?) might be a minor PRSE if it has any scope beyond the single pathetic city of Phlan. I honestly don't know.
Thay seemed to have a whole lot going for it, and I was still eagerly enjoying and hating and evaluating and puzzling out the many rich details of this engaging RSE (Dread Circles, exiled Zulkirs, nonchalantly evil Szass Tam, and all the rest) when devastating Spellplague artillery suddenly fell from the skies and instantly obliterated an otherwise engaging development of carefully constructed and intertangled plot events. I remember being utterly immobilized with shock, glimpsing a confusion of flashing steel and magic from some remotely distant heroic struggle seen through the drifting patches of smoke, eventually realizing that many of the keening screams of anguish filling my ears were my own, and slowly dragging myself away from the bloody smoke-filled battlefield tasting a bitter gnawing feeling of violated raw dirty cheapness that I haven't been able to forget, wash away, or ever spit out. Rather than argue incessantly with my fellow scribes, I'll leave the question of my opinions about Thay RSEs unanswered and use my Protection from Trolls spell to entirely sidestep all discussions about the Spellplague - though I cannot deny that it undoubtedly qualifies as a major RSE.
The Daemonfey are a minor RSE in my mind, since they're really nothing more than the new big ugly monster gang with a chance to press their own burning brand of identity into the screaming flesh of the Realms (even though as far as I can see they haven't yet actually accomplished anything worthy of note). They're a refreshing change from the exhausted Orcs, stagnant Drow, and stillborn Beholder power groups they replace; far more imaginative than Gith incursions or hordes of undecorated demons would be, and not as strangely alien or crazy dangerous as the Phaerimm. I personally suspect that Daemonfey will have to move over to make room for the new guy (and either disappear or Polymorph into Player's Handbook) at some point since they don't have as much of their distinct awesomeness in these more liberal times which see countless Tiefling natives defiantly carve themselves a place in the heart of Realmslore (let alone genasi, half-dragons, and other exotics). For now the Daemonfey appear to be kept simmering and sulking at a low heat on some fictional back burner somewhere off center stage.
Telemont's city of Shade is definitely an RSE. Not as controversial as many others because (I think) shades are just inhumanly cool and evil enough to quickly impress most readers and DMs (their arrival immediately overshadowed the Daemonfey), and besides, the Anauroch desert was a bit of a boring vacuum anyhow. More debatable is whether everybody likes the new Shade-and-Sembia arrangement which sort of "blasts" established Sembia off the map - and again, not so many people seem to care much about opposing this (beyond the "principle of the thing") because Sembia had also remained a largely undeveloped vacuum up to this point and reformatting it doesn't really "change" the Realms that much at all (unless you're one of the DMs who invested heavily in Sembia's profitable real estate market). I'll admit I have a bias here - the shades enchanted me and stole my heart (late one night, while I was calmly reading in my study) and they still haven't given it back.
I'd personally say that every major events is at least worth offering up on the RSE list for individuals to judge for themselves. Pretty much anything that involves a random redistribution of mountain ranges or the gods permanently pruning unruly chunks of the landscape (or each other) seems to qualify as an RSE.
I completely agree with this concise appraisal:quote:
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I can see people not viewing [the fall of netheril as an RSE] since it is an historical event, and wasn't something that changed the published realms. Most people I guess see RSEs as something that changes the enviroment they game in or read about.
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Nov 2010 : 16:13:35
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Originally posted by Arik
The nuking of Zhentil Keep primarily affects only one major city but it also displaces the Zhentarim (who were firmly entrenched in the Realms) and involves Cyric, Bane, and Kelemvor to some extent. Not really an epic scope but I'd be inclined to say it's definitely a minor RSE because it makes some important changes to the setting with lasting global impact. (Besides, I don't mind the "new" Zhentil Keep deathtrap very much, personally.)
This reminds of another major event concerning the Zhents: Shade's outright attack to exterminate them. Telamont grew sick and tired of them, so it was past time. This event deserves a novel at least, if not a trilogy. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 13 Nov 2010 : 18:47:07
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So we went from 'everything that had some sort of impact throughout history' as our RSE definition, to 'only if affected large areas and had long-term effects'.
In that case, the ToT and Spellplague are the only two I would count. Everything else may have 'shaken' the Realms at the time, but had little to no long-lasting effects.
Except for Tilverton - they got RSE'd right off the map (twice, technically - BRJ tried to bring it back).
So now we have a MUCH smaller list for RSE's (Realms Shattering Events), and larger list for RsE's (Realms shaking Events). This is getting complicated - almost as bad as trying to define a retcon. |
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Posted - 13 Nov 2010 : 19:27:09
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Ayrik
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Posted - 13 Nov 2010 : 20:30:17
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Well, I've expressed my thoughts about RSE definition. But I would be surprised if everybody agrees with me.
So there's RSE and PRSE (and maybe, hopefully, 2RSE, 3RSE, etc), Shaking and Shattering (and maybe Shaping). More of a spreadsheet than a list. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 13 Nov 2010 : 20:42:18
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Actually, thus-far I've defined FSE (Fan), HSE (History), PSE (Past), and sub-divided the actual term into RsE (shaking) & RSE (Shattering).
We also have things like MSE's (Multiverse-Shaking Event, like what occurred in Die, Vecna, Die!), which also indirectly affects FR. Since the Spellplague affected the entire over-cosmology of D&D, outside of FR it would be considered an MSE as well.
An example of an FSE, BTW, would be the century time-jump. The Spellplague was an RSE, but the timejump was NOT. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Nov 2010 : 01:44:13
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| That makes the definition more complicated, MT. As I seem to foster the complication in my previous post, I'll take it back...Maybe we should just have a simpler definition: RSE is a Realms Shattering or Shaking Event, which as its name suggests, destroyed and altered realms, and which has either short- or long-term effects. Sticking to this very simple definition, we can call ALL those mentioned so far as RSEs. |
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Posted - 14 Nov 2010 : 02:25:47
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| Yes, I for one really don't need to sub-divide the definition into so many categories. I like to keep it simple when it comes to defining such things. As for the Dracorage, (the BIG one, not the minor ones that came before) I'd say that it might not qualify for some, since it mostly SEEMED to occur in one area, but when one considers that there are (large and powerful) dragons ALL OVER Faerun, it has a much wider scope than one might think at first. Obviously, areas with more dragons would have seen greater effects, but even places like Icewind Dale, Waterdeep, and even certain areas of the Underdark would have been affected!! (Cause there are dragons EVERYWHERE, not just the Moonsea... The books just happened to be centered there.) |
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Markustay
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Posted - 14 Nov 2010 : 02:33:54
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I was just having fun with it - people around here sometimes want VERY specific definitions of things.
I just had an amusing thought; we haven't had an earthquake as a Realms shaking event!
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Nov 2010 : 02:49:27
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I just had an amusing thought; we haven't had an earthquake as a Realms shaking event!
Now, if it's caused by some evil evoker-archmage to destroy his foe's land, then 'tis an RSE. |
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