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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 20:50:16
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Firstly, Brace- I AM NOT A DUDE. Check my profile- female, married, VERY happy to be so.
Dude is gender nuetral, ma'am.
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Funny, but I do not remember referring to an Amer-indian RACE, but the culture, which does exist. Please do not put words in my mouth- or post, as it were.
I did not. Please retract the defaming comment above, promptly.
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And DNA differences would tend to suggest that there are some very clear lines between most human "races". not enough to matter, perhaps, but minor changes in phyiology. If it were any other species, it would be called a race without question. I tend to think that scientists shy away from this word in humans for reasons of being PC.
That is not true. The quote above is categorically false. But lets play. Regarding the quote above, name ANY other species which is demarcated by race.
Name ONE.
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A math exercise. Huh. What is merely math to you may eventually prove to hold universal truths and structures in its numbers. And the math does not explain the strange phenomenon of "disappearing" particles in space- or to put it more simply, where so much of the matter in the universe is, when there are discrepancies in spacial density that should not exist, but do.
No, there are many explanations for phenomena which you describe above. SCIENTIFIC, falsifiable, empirical, explanations. There are metatheories and models which lack falsifiability and/or empirical support.
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I have neither outright denegrated nor name-called to anyone else's ideas here,
By "anyone else", that excludes, me right?
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...and no, I do not go "trolling" with "crack-pot" ideas to get a rise out of people, but to get an honest and open-minded view from others on ideas that come to me. Granted, that one came at 8 in the AM when I was on three days with little sleep, and on my way to my regular trip to the library, so take it as you will, folks. My head is often full of strange and sometimes bizzar thoughts at that time of morning. Still waking up, if you like. And if any of you could hear some of the stray thoughts and weird convos my hubby and I have at bed-time, I'm sure I'd be locked up quite fast, but that's another issue, lol!
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I do not ask that everyone agree with me or believe in the thoughts I put forth, only that people CONSIDER them with an open mind, and supply any thoughts of their own which they think contribute. This does NOT include simply accusing me of having only read D&D books or of my own opinions/theories being "utter balderdash", by the way. That troll statement was meant to remind people that that sort of trash-talk does not belong here, not simply to name-call. I'd like to keep this NON-flammatory, and intelligently discussed, but it would seem my ideas are too far out there for some people's tastes or comfort. So be it. I've never been one to fully accept the world I see as the only one that exists, simply because our understanding of it and the universe as a whole is so very finite and small.
Open minded?
Your response to my perspective was to defend your own.
Is that the open-mindedness you were referring to?
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So, to put it simply- the universe around us is so full of wonders and mysteries, how can we NOT imagine that the tales we grew up on for generations have no basis in truth? Were our ancestors all a bunch of toking crack-pots who thought every little leaf was some sort of fanciful creature? Of course not. They lived in the here-and-now, with problems that most of us today have no concept of. Their world was very different from today, and perhaps that is part of the problem. We've all forgotten how to dream.....
No, we've not 'forgotten how to dream'. Millions of people are dreaming RIGHT NOW.
You are correct, though. The universe IS full wonders and mystery, beauty and truth. So, to retard our intellect by embracing the beliefs of cavemen, in spite of science, which has revealed so much of the beautiful, natural world, is a ridiculous proposition.
Our ancestors chose to grow as people. Not devolve into faerie-tale.
You can try and "escape" the world by believing in unicorns and spriggans, or embrace it through science. I respect either calling. But if you believe that wormhole traveling anthropomorphic hippos taught the ancient Chinese how to fabricate firearms, I ask that you please not teach my child's science class... or history class... or, well, at all! 
As an aside, who was your spiritual instructor, Alystra? And who instructed them? If you have the complete line of inheritance available, that would be fanatastic.
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HelldoG
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:02:41
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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:07:53
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I agree with you, Brace, on several accounts. You might have guessed that in my earlier posts. But the WAY you made your point is something I would never tolerate had I been Alystra. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:12:46
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"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
- Albert Einstein
"Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change."
- Stephen Hawking
"There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened."
- Douglas Adams
"Breen. You've managed to import breen from homeworld. How?"
"It .. isn't actually breen."
"But the smell, the taste.."
"It's an Earth food. They are called Swedish meatballs. It's a strange thing, but every sentient race has its own version of these Swedish meatballs. I suspect it's one of those great universal mysteries which will either never get explained or which will drive you mad if you ever learned the truth."
- Na'kal and G'Kar in Babylon 5:"Walkabout"
20 years ago, the universe was believed to be 10 billion years old, even though there were stars that seemed older than that.
30 years ago, if you had told anyone you could carry 1000's of hours of music on your phone, you would have been laughed out of the room.
50 years ago, many believed we would be living and traveling to the moon and other planets by now and you'd get around with flying cars by the year 2000.
100 years ago, the greatest military force on the planet was still considered to be the horse cavalry.
200 years ago, there was no knowledge of germs and viruses and there were only 24 elements in the universe.
500 years ago, most still believed the world to be flat.
1000 years ago, we were crawling out of a dark age of reasoning that we still have no idea what may have been lost.
5000 years ago, the pyramids were constructed to deify their kings. And scientists *still* argue over the methods used to construct them.
10000 years ago, the ice age just ended and mankind began to realize they could grow food and raise animals for food instead of hunting and gathering.
There are also many things that are still argued over in sciences all over the world. Homo-sapiens are thought to have come about 200,000 years ago, but they have yet to find "proof" of that. Evolution and Creationism is still being argued 150 years after On Origin of the Species. Heck, there's a pseudoscience on Out of Place Artifacts itself, since there are some things we can explain. Yet.
So, BC, I appreciate your scientific zeal on the subject, but we (humans) are nowhere near as smart as you think we are. Heck, most science changes so regularly, what was considered "fact" 10 years ago may have been proven wrong. Am I saying there were dragons, centaurs, or dryads in the ancient world? No. But you also cannot prove there weren't. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:16:22
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*sigh* Helldog, you are quite right, of course. I know I should not feedthem, but it is perhaps a sign of my innate good nature and sense of sportsmanship 9or is it natural competativeness? Never can tell which...) that makes me want to show folks that you can have an intelligent discussion without resorting to infantile name-calling and accusations. I like to be nice to people, even the ones I think need to ne Gibbs-smacked....
Let's see- (on the species/race issue) Eastern and Western races of Cardinal, Garter snake, Diamondback Rattler, Florida and nitaney Panther(cougar)- just to name a few off the top of my head. Definite races of the same few species, all. That's just without opening a widlife book, and on this continent alone. Yes, races of the same species do exist- and most of them even have seperate race names to distinguish them. As I said before, I do study a lot of subjects. Biology and ecology happen to be two of my favorite areas of study.
Yes, you did say that- you brought up the race thing, I did not. I was merely pointing that out. so I'm not retracting that. Sorry if it offends you to be called out on it. But I do not like people putting insinuations into my posts.
No, dude is NOT gender neutral. It is a MASCULINE term. As in DUDE ranch where the term originated, meaning a city-slicker or inexperienced cowboy wanna-be. I'm also very good in english- you might even say it's my language of specialization. I also understand Latin and a smattering of Spanish, French, and Italian. And I'm working on Japanese and German. Sort of.
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"Where Science ends, Magic begins" -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491
"You idiots! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -Spaceballs
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
294 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:17:54
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
So, BC, I appreciate your scientific zeal on the subject, but we (humans) are nowhere near as smart as you think we are. Heck, most science changes so regularly, what was considered "fact" 10 years ago may have been proven wrong. Am I saying there were dragons, centaurs, or dryads in the ancient world? No. But you also cannot prove there weren't.
How smart do I think humans are, AR?
What does science seek to prove, AR? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:21:02
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Am I saying there were dragons, centaurs, or dryads in the ancient world? No. But you also cannot prove there weren't.
Hmm, agnosticism (which some claim is a universal apathy). A welcome change on this topic. |
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:21:34
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Let's see, (on the species/race issue) Eastern and Western races of Cardinal, Garter snake, Diamondback Rattler, Florida and nitaney Panther(cougar)- just to name a few off the top of my head. Definite races of the same few species, all. That's just without opening a widlife book, and on this continent alone. Yes, races of the same species do exist- and most of them even have seperate race names to distinguish them. As I said before, I do study a lot of subjects. Biology and ecology happen to be two of my favorite areas of study.
Yes, you did say that- you brought up the race thing, I did not. I was merely pointing that out. so I'm not retracting that. Sorry if it offends you to be called out on it. But I do not like people putting insinuations into my posts.
The above is utter tripe. Completely fallacious. It like you can't even read back over the posts Alystra. Can't you?
Regardless, the quote above is filled with false information. I'll assume you are uninformed on the topics you address above, as opposed to being a liar. |
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:23:01
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Science doesn't seek to prove anything, but to question why.
Then why did you assert that it does, two posts back?
And indicate that assertion was mine.
When that is false on two fronts? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:25:25
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Science doesn't seek to prove anything, but to question why.
I believe that's rather in the realm of philosophy - that is, if you don't make a follow-up to the question 'why?'. Science questions why, but also seeks to prove or disprove something through empirical data. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:30:15
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Theories are proven, not science. Science is the process to understand the world, theory and hypothesis are methods to quantify that which is observed. If you notice, the two times I mentioned "proof" in my post, I either put it in quotes (to identify that proof of man's origins will always be in the eye of the beholder -- much like the life of Schrödinger's cat) or that facts that were considered undeniable were proven wrong. There has yet to be a scientific equation that "proves" a theory true. Instead, we accept a theory as possible/plausible until proven false.
So, if you do not have undeniable proof of the falsehood of Alystra's claims, then you need to calm down and step away from the subject. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:32:45
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Science doesn't seek to prove anything, but to question why.
I believe that's rather in the realm of philosophy - that is, if you don't make a follow-up to the question 'why?'. Science questions why, but also seeks to prove or disprove something through empirical data.
Falsify, not prove or disprove.
EDIT: Sniped me there, AR. We concur. |
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HelldoG
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:38:47
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I see ignoring isn't you're strong side, Alystra, dennis and Ashe?
Well, the tread will be closed sooner or later so I add one more thing before that:
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Are you aware that it is acceptable at Candlekeep, perhaps even encouraged, to call fellow scribes, "trolls"?
Brace Cormaeril, due to your name-calling and disrupting of a peaceful discussion, I hereby declare you "troll"!
Begone, troll!
*casts Ward Against Trolls*
Begone!
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:41:03
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Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Science doesn't seek to prove anything, but to question why.
I believe that's rather in the realm of philosophy - that is, if you don't make a follow-up to the question 'why?'. Science questions why, but also seeks to prove or disprove something through empirical data.
Falsify, not prove or disprove.
EDIT: Sniped me there, AR. We concur.
Since we agree on the theories, can you accept that, since we cannot yet disprove the existence of the fantastical creatures, then Alystra's theory may be plausible? I'm not asking for you to accept her theory, but to say that there's room for many different theories?
I agree, that the most plausible explanation of the various fantastical races were instances of farmers uncovering dinosaur bones or the Greek's love of mixing human/animal hybrids in their stories, but that alone doesn't disprove her beliefs. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:45:09
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Originally posted by HelldoG
I see ignoring isn't you're strong side, Alystra, dennis and Ashe?
Well, the tread will be closed sooner or later so I add one more thing before that:
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Are you aware that it is acceptable at Candlekeep, perhaps even encouraged, to call fellow scribes, "trolls"?
Brace Cormaeril, due to your name-calling and disrupting of a peaceful discussion, I hereby declare you "troll"!
Begone, troll!
*casts Ward Against Trolls*
Begone!
HelldoG, I'm trying to be a peacemaker here. You're outrage is your right, but you're not ignoring him either. And by simply calling him a troll, it doesn't add to your side of the argument.
Is BC abrasive? He can be yes, and gods know that we haven't seen eye to eye all the time. But I've made a promise to encourage and not discourage debate. I'd like to think we're moving away from the name-calling. I know BC takes these particular subjects personal, so please don't antagonize him on it. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:48:02
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
So, if you do not have undeniable proof of the falsehood of Alystra's claims, then you need to calm down and step away from the subject.
Ah, but in this instance, AR, the burden of proof rests on those who DO believe that unicelluar, hyperintelligent slime mold aggregates have infiltrated our drinking water via long-lost Vedic rituals, keys to transdimensional warp-zoning.
Not on the guy that says Occam's Razor applies. That maybe there's an easier solution. Maybe is isn't hyper-transdimensional Vedic magic that allows for a unicelluar, non-differentiated organism to "transform" into a differentiated, multi-cellular one.
Maybe *you*, AR, need to step away from the subject?
But please don't!
I would never tell someone else to *not* contribute to debate at the 'Keep!
EDIT: Sniped again, and we concur again!
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HelldoG
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:50:06
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I was just trying to end this stupid discussion with him. and I just used HIS OWN words to deal with him. But now I stop, because you're right, Ashe. Just ignore him and it will end. He can't respond to air, can he?
EDIT: And where are the Mods when they're needed? For real. It boggles my mind how lenient they are with such users.
DOWN: What he said. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:53:21
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My point on stepping away from the subject was more along the lines that you're only here because you don't believe and refuse to entertain the theory for purpose of debate. Instead, you're comments are simply saying "That's Impossible!", which isn't a debate, but a pronouncement.
I like the debate. I'd like you to add to the discussion instead of trying to shut it down because you don't agree with the hypothesis. I never want anyone to not contribute at the 'Keep, but your declarations aren't contributing to the discussion, but simply angering those that are. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 21:56:31
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I can't believe I'm participating in this ****** discussion. The wonder of coffee these days...I think I should just stick to one cup a day.
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 22:00:43
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Oh, dear goddess. Why must some people always prove how little he human SPECIES(since we don't like the term race apparently) has evolved as civilized beings?
Brace? Have you ever looked in a book of wildlife identification? I've got a small library of them at home. Read through some of the entries on even one taxonomic classification, and you will see literally dozens of animals with distinct races. All scientifically accepted and with racial names after the species name. Look it up if you don't believe me. A "purrfect" example- Felis Silvestris Domesticus- my housecat as you called him earlier. A distinct race of the African Wildcat. Yes, we've changed them THAT much. It's not fallacious. Or tripe. It's standard taxonomic classification. Genus, species, race. The bottom three rungs of plant and animal classification. I DID say I was into biology.
Your quotes:
"Open minded?
Your response to my perspective was to defend your own.
Is that the open-mindedness you were referring to?"
No, your response was simply to debunk me as a matter of course. You don't know me, or what I believe in. You have simply called it tripe and other things I need not repeat here. Yet you have not offered any real theories of your own to explain any of this, nor have you suggested an alternate idea. You just spout of what you regard as "facts", many of which I've already refuted.
Your quotes again:
"No, we've not 'forgotten how to dream'. Millions of people are dreaming RIGHT NOW.
You are correct, though. The universe IS full wonders and mystery, beauty and truth. So, to retard our intellect by embracing the beliefs of cavemen, in spite of science, which has revealed so much of the beautiful, natural world, is a ridiculous proposition.
Our ancestors chose to grow as people. Not devolve into faerie-tale.
You can try and "escape" the world by believing in unicorns and spriggans, or embrace it through science. I respect either calling. But if you believe that wormhole traveling anthropomorphic hippos taught the ancient Chinese how to fabricate firearms, I ask that you please not teach my child's science class... or history class... or, well, at all!
As an aside, who was your spiritual instructor, Alystra? And who instructed them? If you have the complete line of inheritance available, that would be fanatastic."
I'm not even sure how to respond to all this. I am an avid history buff, among other things, with a heavy interest in ancient times up to Renaissance. And the same goes for science, although i will admit that some aspects of advanced astrophysics and quantum theories are a bit over my head ATM, but that's more from a lack of familiarity. I read Science Digest, discover and National Geogrphic whenvever I get the chance to catch up on the latest scientific news and discoveries, but I do not generally go into the mathmatical aspects of those, because I generally suck at math. But I can greasp the basic concepts as well as anyone. So I'm not stupid or anything- I just don't have the time to delve that deeply into it.
I DO embrace science, but perhaps the best way fro you to understand my philosophy is to read my siggy below, but I'll repeat it here. "Where science ends, magic begins." So what if it's a quote from a comic book character? It's true. I'm not a teacher, but any good teacher will tell you that we learn by hearing and thinking about new ideas, not by simply shutting the door on them. I don't have the patience to teach, but if I did, I'd be teaching much more than what is found in most textbooks- like the stories behind those events. Like the fact that michelangelo was a poet as well as a sculptor and painter. Not many people even know that. Or that Raphael painted himself as well as Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo into his "School of Athens" painting. History? I know it. Science? That too. Myth and legend? You better believe it. A well-informed mind studies many subjects, without excluding any school of thought. That is how we grow and evolve.
Inciedentally, I was self-taught as a Wiccan, due to having a highly-conservative Christian upbringing. I would like to mention here that even the Bible mentions dragons. Case in point- the book of Job(forgot the # ATM) describes one. The passage on Laviathan is taken by most Biblical scholars to be a crocodile or hippo. but the description is cleary that of something much larger and fiercer, that "breathes steam and smoke" with a hide "that can turn aside any spear". Sound like a dragon, does it not? And most people even today believe the bible is true. I am not alone in believing in "fairy tales", it seems. so is over half the world, by this book. And that's not even the only one in the bible- there are two in revelations.
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"You idiots! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -Spaceballs
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Brace Cormaeril
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 22:05:42
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
My point on stepping away from the subject was more along the lines that you're only here because you don't believe and refuse to entertain the theory for purpose of debate. Instead, you're comments are simply saying "That's Impossible!", which isn't a debate, but a pronouncement.
I like the debate. I'd like you to add to the discussion instead of trying to shut it down because you don't agree with the hypothesis. I never want anyone to not contribute at the 'Keep, but your declarations aren't contributing to the discussion, but simply angering those that are.
Close, AR. I entered this debate to challenge the assumptions made by Alystra, Markustay, et al.
They (you) don't seem to fond of that!
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HelldoG
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 22:07:11
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Alystra Illianniis
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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 22:15:21
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Brace Cormaeril
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 22:15:25
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Brace? Have you ever looked in a book of wildlife identification? I've got a small library of them at home. Read through some of the entries on even one taxonomic classification, and you will see literally dozens of animals with distinct races. All scientifically accepted and with racial names after the species name. Look it up if you don't believe me. A "purrfect" example- Felis Silvestris Domesticus- my housecat as you called him earlier. A distinct race of the African Wildcat. Yes, we've changed them THAT much. It's not fallacious. Or tripe. It's standard taxonomic classification. Genus, species, race. The bottom three rungs of plant and animal classification. I DID say I was into biology.
Not true. Again, I will assume you are uninformed, as opposed to being a liar.
The taxonomic designation you are referring to is called "trinomial nomenclature".
"Race" is not the category below "species". "Sub-species" is.
You DID say you were "into" biology. I must assume that "into" and "have some knowledge of" are *quite* different.
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HelldoG
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 22:17:58
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Sorry for that. Trolling just staems me up. I'm a Moderator on a polish board and such behavior like his would not be tolerated, not for a moment. I'm in awe for Sage's and Wooly's patience.
UP: And the troll strikes again. |
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Edited by - HelldoG on 07 Oct 2010 22:19:16 |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 22:18:37
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My point is we have five senses, and although we have developed a VAST array of technology to enhance our senses beyond their normal limits (seeing into the infra-red and ultra-violate, detecting sounds above and below our hearing range, etc...), nearly all of that technology is based upon these five senses we are aware of.
Even things like radar and ultrasound are based upon concepts we can only understand through our development as a species and the sensory-input we have amassed over thousands of years.
You know why early man thought 'the gods' caused the weather, and threw lightening bolts at them? Because that is all their limited perceptions allowed for them to conceive. God is not done with us - far from it; we've barely scratched the surface of understanding. I am sure animals have senses that we 'superior' humans are completely unaware of.
Remember that guy I mentioned earlier, who was talking to a little blue man? Well, his cat and dog are probably laughing at us too. Did you know that the ONLY weatherman in the country with a 100% accuracy rate for predicting precipitation relies on cows? When asked how he always knew for sure it was going to rain, he pointed to a farm-field across from his radio station and said "the cows know, they head inside, they're never wrong".
So much for billion-dollar satellites. 
When I was in grade school I learned that atoms were the smallest particle, and were made-up of tinier particles called electrons and neutrons.... in theory. No one had ever actually seen them. by the time I got to High school electron microscopes had come into use and we could see atoms, and found out their were particles MUCH smaller. We also made it to the moon during that time - something that was just SciFi when I was born (a pipedream, many called it).
Giant Squids were just a myth back then... we've found them since. There is also a prehistoric shark that Japanese fisherman used to claim they saw, and Scientists pish-poshed them. Guess what? It was real and they found it.
Here where I live, on Long island, we recently 'discovered' a 'monster', aptly named "the long island monster". The scientific community scoffed and said it was some sort of hoax... and two more have since been discovered in other parts of the world.
And the Russian Army recently found the remains of Sea monster. Yup...a SEA MONSTER.
Going back to when I was kid, and all the 'truths' we learned from textbooks: Textbooks can't possibly be wrong, can they? After all they are Gov't sanctioned and all the information within them must be verifiable and 100% correct... right?
I learned that Betsy Ross sewed the American Flag. That has since been proven a VERY OLD hoax.
I also learned - from my gov't sanctioned textbooks - that evolution takes millions of years. Guess what? It can happen in just a few generations and as little as 30 years.
Books are wrong, plain and simple. They are written by fallible humans who depend upon fallible data and fallible witnesses and make fallible assumptions about the world around them.
Don't believe everything you read - at least half the stuff I learned when I was a kid has since been proven dead-wrong. Science and history are just some person's 'best guess', and are proven inaccurate every day. Anytime ANYONE tries to give a definitive answer about anything, I have a knee-jerk reaction and think "Damn! I just met the smartest guy in the universe!" After all, he clearly knows everything, right? He knows unicorns can't exist, because he has visited every single world in every single quantum realty. Gee, what a clever guy.
And even if he is willing to admit they could (and probably do) exist, he is also stating that he knows every conceivable way that energy and matter can travel through the universe... therefor they can't ever have existed here. Its quite obvious there is no method of travel he is unaware of, because he knows everything.
Sending matter through time and space... why, that's as silly as sending moving-pictures across the world, or flying through space, or believing the world isn't flat.
We don't know a thing, we just think we do - its hubris, and the universe is laughing behind our backs. I can pretty-much guarantee that what people will know a mere two years from now would shock many of us today.
At heart I suppose I am a Zen Buddhist - thats where that quote came from earlier. It wasn't meant as an insult. The core teaching of Zen is that we must first learn that we know nothing, and only then can we begin to achieve true understanding. A closed-mind is a barrier against enlightenment, and all pre-conceptions must be left behind.
So believe in miracles, and maybe, someday, you'll be fortunate to see one. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Edited by - Markustay on 07 Oct 2010 22:30:25 |
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HelldoG
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 22:25:54
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I dare to suggest, or even demand, that all Brace's posts in this tread and all posts that target him or respond to his post, should be DELETED.
So Mods! No sealing! You have some other god-given powers as well. The "Moderator" template isn't just for sealing good discussions. |
Away with powergaming propaganda! | I <3 Powergaming!
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Edited by - HelldoG on 07 Oct 2010 22:26:58 |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 22:31:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
So believe in miracles, and maybe, someday, you'll be fortunate to see one.
Pretty much reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFiVCfndIi4
Though we hardly take this actress seriously nowadays...She's pretty much a joke in today's generation. |
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Edited by - Dennis on 07 Oct 2010 22:35:09 |
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