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Brace Cormaeril
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 Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 22:38:45
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Originally posted by Markustay
Here where I live, on Long island, we recently 'discovered' a 'monster', aptly named "the long island monster". The scientific community scoffed and said it was some sort of hoax... and two more have since been discovered in other parts of the world.
Oh, of course! The belief that multiple-worlds-theory is bunk, based on the FACT that it requires linear waveforms, ignores the LAW of Conservation of Energy and quantum gravity, is clearly false because Markustay discovered this dead raccoon on the beach.
What is a Sea Monster, exactly, Mark?
Your link regarding reptile "evolution"? Follow the publications (Google Scholar will get you half-way). The research on these reptiles deals with their developmental plasticity, not evolution.
But, National Geographic is a "scientific publication", right?
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 23:02:30
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Originally posted by Markustay
So believe in miracles, and maybe, someday, you'll be fortunate to see one.
Pretty much reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFiVCfndIi4
Though we hardly take this actress seriously nowadays...She's pretty much a joke in today's generation.
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 23:09:48
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I don't let Brace's intentionally negative comments towards others bother me. Why give someone that kind of power over you?
Nor do I care when he conducts unprovoked personal attacks on me (as he did recently), because as something of a former Troll on these forums I feel it's my karma.
I think it's appropriate to encourage others to simply not respond to comments that are arrogant, rude or designed to intentionally attack other people.
It's very honorable that some of you have tried to curtail Brace; to get him turned in the right direction. But you've seen that's not producing results.
Sometimes a silent response is the best teacher.
[Edit: after further reflection, I've decided to contact the moderators by PM and ask them to review this thread. Intolerance and deliberate negativity is unnecessary for this discussion. I would encourage those of you who feel the same way to contact the mods also. The more PMs the moderators see about this thread when they log in, the better.] |
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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 23:14:54
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Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by Markustay
So believe in miracles, and maybe, someday, you'll be fortunate to see one.
Pretty much reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFiVCfndIi4
Though we hardly take this actress seriously nowadays...She's pretty much a joke in today's generation.
Brilliant, dennis.
Whenever I hear or read 'Believe (or don't) in miracles' that scene immediately comes to mind. Though I must admit I did not nor plan to watch the whole movie. It's TOO old. I wasn't even born yet when it was first shown. Anyway, that actress (Nora Aunor), in fairness to her, popularized several movie lines that reach even the present time. ("My brother is not a PIG!" is another of hers. )
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 23:19:07
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
I don't let Brace's intentionally negative comments towards others bother me. Why give someone that kind of power over you?
Nor do I care when he conducts unprovoked personal attacks on me (as he did recently), because as something of a former Troll on these forums I feel it's my karma.
I think it's appropriate to encourage others to simply not respond to comments that are arrogant, rude or designed to intentionally attack other people.
It's very honorable that some of you have tried to curtail Brace; to get him turned in the right direction. But you've seen that's not producing results.
Sometimes a silent response is the best teacher.
Many have considered me an agent of karma in the past, Miscell, but I can certainly not do YOU any favors!
Do you have anything to add to the thread, Miscell? Or were you just chiming in to talk about Me?
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 23:50:54
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| I guess no matter what I say, it's not going to change BC's malevolence when he posts here. I honestly don't know why a fan of the Realms like him would antagonize other fans so. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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HelldoG
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Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 00:07:11
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| Maybe some personal issues. My daily life sometimes makes me wanna yell or break stuff, but I don't go and make other people suffer because of that. I save all that in me, and go to an psychiatrist like any normal human would do. |
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Brace Cormaeril
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Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 00:23:19
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Well, AR, you could answer the question I posed to you earlier in the thread.
How smart do I think humans are?
EDIT: Wow, I have been described as 'malevolent'. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 00:24:40
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Interesting. I leave for a bit, and it springs into more of the mud-slinging I had asked not to have here. Race and sub-species seem to be interchangeable, according to some of the wildlife books I've read. Some use the term race, others say sub-species. It's not even an agreed upon classification. You simply asked for examples, and I gave them. End of story. I think we can leave the semantics out of if from here on out. The point has been made. Moving on now.
Here's some stuff I just pulled back out as "evidence" of my views. There are two stories here, but both seem to show similar encounters between humans and "fairies". One is the story of Melusine and Raymond, the king of Flanders. She was, it seems, a half-fey woman, whose mother was a fairy who had dallied with a human. When she grew up she and her sisters were cursed for some affront by their mother, and she became a snake from the waist down every Saturday after that. (What happened to her sisters isn't mentioned.) When she met and later married the king, part of her curse was that she could reveal herself to no one on that day, so she kept it hidden from him for years, while bearing him a succession of deformed sons. Naturally, whispers started that she was unfaithful. One day Raymond finally hid and spied on her while she bathed while transformed. He saw what she was, but never told anyone. Until the day the most brutish son killed one of his brothers, and the king cursed her for her tainted blood, and she jumped off a balcony and flew away. No vague tale, this, but a clear account of a human interaction with other-worldly beings. (Whether true or not is anyone's guess, but the people all had names, and the royal line of Flanders is said to have sprung from this union and continued for centuries- a royal line of elf-blooded humans!)
The other one I have on hand is a tale of wone of Arthurs knights, named Laurfal, wgo met and wooed a fairy princess. She told him never to reveal her existance, though. One day Guenevere (Remember her? Slut of the Arthurian Court?) summoned him and tried to seduce him. It did not work. He refused her suit and said that he already had a lover more more beautiful by far than her, and that even his love's lowest handmaiden was more lovely than guenivere. Insulting queens is bad business. She told Arthur, and the knight was sentanced to burn. But several other knights stood by him, because they knew Guennie's *ahem* reputation, and so the king said that if he could produce this mystery maiden, he could go free, but having broken his vow, she had disappeared, so he couldn't. but just as he was about to be roasted, she appeared, looked at him, and then at the king- all without saying a word. Arthur said that if she was Laurfal's love, then he had spoken the truth. He let the guy go- and off he rode with her back to her home and only ever appeared once a year after that- the day he had been set to die. What we have here are two cases of love-struck mortal males, and broken vows as reasons for the separation of the world-crossed lovers. But theses are not just nameless folks, either, they are well-known, and remembered for their dealings with fey-folk. Among other things.
And finally, there is Orfeo, who won back his stolen wife from a fairy king, and Thomas the Rhymer was supposedly a guest of a fairy queen for seven years, whereupon he supposedly learned many of their songs and brought them back with him. Ossian was another singer of legend who was supposedly born to Fionn mac Cumhal nad a fairy mother. Where do all these stories of fay-blooded people come from, one wonders?
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 01:01:51
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Interesting. I leave for a bit, and it springs into more of the mud-slinging I had asked not to have here. Race and sub-species seem to be interchangeable, according to some of the wildlife books I've read. Some use the term race, others say sub-species. It's not even an agreed upon classification. You simply asked for examples, and I gave them. End of story. I think we can leave the semantics out of if from here on out. The point has been made. Moving on now.
No. This is wrong. Nor it this a matter of semantics. There is no scientific evidence to support the existence of races. Phenotypes historically associated with the misquided assumption 'race' have been categorically analyzed, and it has been found that these phenotypes show greater variation within groups than between groups.
Here's a popular level essay on the topic. So good news, racism is dead. Because, just like unicorns, they do not exist.
A parallel to your argument re:semantics.
"Professor Whoosit, tell the Journals I have discovered a new race of sea monkey!"
"You mean, sub-species, Dr. Whatsit?"
"Oh, whatever. Just put in on the internet. No one knows the difference."
"Uhm, molecular biologists, taxonomists, and geneticists of innumerable specialties do... you are a scientist, right?"
"I watched a National Geographic Special!"
"Uhm..."
"Whatever!"
Have you ever heard of racism? A race riot? Racial segregation? How about sub-speciesism? a sub-species riot?
One term is scientific, another is emotionally charged.
You get a cookie if you can pick the right one!
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Here's some stuff I just pulled back out as "evidence" of my views. There are two stories here, but both seem to show similar encounters between humans and "fairies". One is the story of Melusine and Raymond, the king of Flanders. She was, it seems, a half-fey woman, whose mother was a fairy who had dallied with a human. When she grew up she and her sisters were cursed for some affront by their mother, and she became a snake from the waist down every Saturday after that. (What happened to her sisters isn't mentioned.) When she met and later married the king, part of her curse was that she could reveal herself to no one on that day, so she kept it hidden from him for years, while bearing him a succession of deformed sons. Naturally, whispers started that she was unfaithful. One day Raymond finally hid and spied on her while she bathed while transformed. He saw what she was, but never told anyone. Until the day the most brutish son killed one of his brothers, and the king cursed her for her tainted blood, and she jumped off a balcony and flew away. No vague tale, this, but a clear account of a human interaction with other-worldly beings. (Whether true or not is anyone's guess, but the people all had names, and the royal line of Flanders is said to have sprung from this union and continued for centuries- a royal line of elf-blooded humans!)
The other one I have on hand is a tale of wone of Arthurs knights, named Laurfal, wgo met and wooed a fairy princess. She told him never to reveal her existance, though. One day Guenevere (Remember her? Slut of the Arthurian Court?) summoned him and tried to seduce him. It did not work. He refused her suit and said that he already had a lover more more beautiful by far than her, and that even his love's lowest handmaiden was more lovely than guenivere. Insulting queens is bad business. She told Arthur, and the knight was sentanced to burn. But several other knights stood by him, because they knew Guennie's *ahem* reputation, and so the king said that if he could produce this mystery maiden, he could go free, but having broken his vow, she had disappeared, so he couldn't. but just as he was about to be roasted, she appeared, looked at him, and then at the king- all without saying a word. Arthur said that if she was Laurfal's love, then he had spoken the truth. He let the guy go- and off he rode with her back to her home and only ever appeared once a year after that- the day he had been set to die. What we have here are two cases of love-struck mortal males, and broken vows as reasons for the separation of the world-crossed lovers. But theses are not just nameless folks, either, they are well-known, and remembered for their dealings with fey-folk. Among other things.
And finally, there is Orfeo, who won back his stolen wife from a fairy king, and Thomas the Rhymer was supposedly a guest of a fairy queen for seven years, whereupon he supposedly learned many of their songs and brought them back with him. Ossian was another singer of legend who was supposedly born to Fionn mac Cumhal nad a fairy mother. Where do all these stories of fay-blooded people come from, one wonders?
Nice anecdotes. That Arthurian story, that's not Mallory... The Auckinlek Manuscript I am familiar with... You got SOURCES for any of these? And can you follow the provenance?
Have you ever considered establishing provenance for the stories you read? This is an extremely important issue for the folklorist. But I don't see even a citation for anything above...
Particularly not for your "Field Guide of Races".
Do you think it is possible that all these stories came from... human imagination? Could human intellect have created these forms? And found them fun, and entertaining?
Or, D-brane pseudo-quantum energy beings from the non-temporal Alpha Centauri event horizon could have brought the Ffaeri Ffolk to Stonehenge for trans-gene experimentation and minstrelry? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 01:27:12
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Pending further review, I'm temporarily sealing this scroll. Sorry folks... but this is simply an example of one scribe ruining an interesting experience for everyone else. More action to come.
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