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Dalor Darden
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 Posted - 10 Sep 2010 : 06:16:44
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| Well, I made a Drider God once...he admonished his worshipers to "convert" drow as often as possible...by getting them to volunteer to be Driders also...and those that didn't made tasty snacks. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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bladeinAmn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 05:26:50
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| Ed Greenwood brings alot of unique ideas that can spice up one's drow orientated campaign is his Niflheim novel "Dark Warrior Rising." |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 08:18:10
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Originally posted by bladeinAmn
Ed Greenwood brings alot of unique ideas that can spice up one's drow orientated campaign is his Niflheim novel "Dark Warrior Rising."
Some of my favorite Ed Greenwood.
I would love for him to write more novels about the 'Dark Elves'. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36996 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 14:36:41
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So here's my idea for driders in this town: you have a group of driders that banded together and became a reasonably organized force. And then, after a lot of research, they figured out how they themselves could turn drow into more driders -- meaning they could easily increase their numbers. With that capability, they could actively recruit for more members, mainly taking in outcasts and those drow who for some reason no longer have House protection. They could also add condemned criminals to their ranks -- those are the ones who'd be forced to act as soldiers and such.
It's a rough idea and needs work... But I like it.  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 17:59:51
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One problem I see with that - Elves are vain, and Drow all the more so (I know this from my research and contributions to the Elven Netbook project - its why most won't use prosthetics, although they have that magitech). Elves frown upon imperfections of any kind in their race - this is why becoming a Drider is considered a VERY bad punishment.
However, their are exceptions to every rule, and most especially the Realms. Both kinds of Elves seem to have no problem cross-breeding with demons (or humans, for that matter).
Its just that males are most-often made driders, and it is the form itself that is a mockery - they become a cheap imatation of the very goddess who scorns them.
I would need some very good lore to get past those two points - first, their acceptance of being so loathsome in appearance, and second, why do they want to look a spider, after being rejected by a society that worships arachnids?
P.S. - you guys know my HB lore about the Tlincallis, right?  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2010 : 19:49:42
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Originally posted by Markustay
One problem I see with that - Elves are vain, and Drow all the more so (I know this from my research and contributions to the Elven Netbook project - its why most won't use prosthetics, although they have that magitech). Elves frown upon imperfections of any kind in their race - this is why becoming a Drider is considered a VERY bad punishment.
However, their are exceptions to every rule, and most especially the Realms. Both kinds of Elves seem to have no problem cross-breeding with demons (or humans, for that matter).
Its just that males are most-often made driders, and it is the form itself that is a mockery - they become a cheap imatation of the very goddess who scorns them.
I would need some very good lore to get past those two points - first, their acceptance of being so loathsome in appearance, and second, why do they want to look a spider, after being rejected by a society that worships arachnids?
P.S. - you guys know my HB lore about the Tlincallis, right?
Well, if the driders as a group actually had political power, that could be rather appealing to someone who otherwise had no power at all. |
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Snowblood
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 12 Sep 2010 : 02:57:58
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| these driders have developed their own sub-culture...one that has branched away from the main and taken being drider as a badge of defiance and honour...now to find willing recruits would mean that the society they're in would have to have truly rejected traditional drow beliefs...and to my mind that is exactly what Tel Verinal and its outlying communities is..... |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 16 Sep 2010 : 14:26:45
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Nice ideas with the driders.
When should we expect Tel Verinal to be out? |
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Snowblood
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 16 Sep 2010 : 14:37:42
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| ask Sir Sage he has most of what I've done......just waitin to see what he's done so I can put together a history, & maybe a map or two of the city .....well Sage ol Boy...what say you????? |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Sep 2010 : 14:53:17
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| driders are monsters |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 16 Sep 2010 : 15:06:17
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Originally posted by Snowblood
ask Sir Sage he has most of what I've done......just waitin to see what he's done so I can put together a history, & maybe a map or two of the city .....well Sage ol Boy...what say you?????
Aye, just trying to find the time to finish up my own material.
More to come. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 00:36:44
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Originally posted by Kno
driders are monsters
Generally, yes... But using them in another capability opens up some very interesting possibilities.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 01:31:07
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kno
driders are monsters
Generally, yes... But using them in another capability opens up some very interesting possibilities.
Indeed. Essentially, driders are some sort of special template cast over a hapless drow, usually a divine or arcane spellcaster. By altering that template, you're allowing for a variety of intriguing new campaign opportunities. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4266 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 05:38:52
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The Driders in my campaign that worshiped the Drider God (called Zaelnan...I think) were feared "cavalry" because their increased strength allowed them to carry a veritable arsenal of weapons.
Their "riders" (more like crew) were usually aspirants to their faith that hoped to some day become Driders.
Nasty bunch...never got to actually use them against the party. |
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Snowblood
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 05:42:35
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Driders are sentient beings just dark elves with 10 limbs & a nasty attitude.....after all gnomes were people once too ya know.....hhehehehehe |
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Alystra Illianniis
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 06:01:29
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Heh, yeah, and now gnomes are monsters, and driders are just drow with Parker's Mutation Syndrome! (Spidey cartoon fans will get this, lol!
As will readers of Amazing Spider-Man #100.  |
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Kno
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 09:03:36
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Drider gods  , driders are shadows of Lolth, what remains when she sucks the life out of a creature, they don't have cities, they hide in a pit |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 11:53:28
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Originally posted by Kno
Drider gods , driders are shadows of Lolth, what remains when she sucks the life out of a creature, they don't have cities, they hide in a pit
Okay, I think you're failing to see our point: we're discussing non-standard driders, ones that do not fit the parameters you describe -- perhaps even ones created through means not involving or because of Loloth. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 13:11:00
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kno
Drider gods , driders are shadows of Lolth, what remains when she sucks the life out of a creature, they don't have cities, they hide in a pit
Okay, I think you're failing to see our point: we're discussing non-standard driders, ones that do not fit the parameters you describe -- perhaps even ones created through means not involving or because of Loloth.
For example, driders created by Viciskamera from IWDII? There was no Lloth involved here... |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 16:43:24
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| Can driders reproduce? I always thought they were sterile. Is there a source for drider reproduction? |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 17:47:34
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Can driders reproduce? I always thought they were sterile. Is there a source for drider reproduction?
They can't, though I don't remember where I read it. Most likely source would be one of drow novels (Homeland?) or AD&D Drow of the Underdark. |
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Snowblood
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 18:11:02
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| its a fantasy world ...spiders lay eggs...maybe like some insects their androgynous or maybe they spontaneously hatch a mutant variation...after all magic can work wonders..... |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 19:47:57
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Well, in DAII, there are both male and female driders in the Underdark levels, so I'd assume that since they have both sexes, they SHOULD be able to reproduce, especially, as Snowblood noted, considering that magic is involved in creating them. Interestingly, the males looked different from the females in that game- with the females having black widow markings, while the males looked more like a hunting-type spider. Now, my only real question was not whether they COULD reproduce, but HOW. It's a more interesting question when one knows how real spiders do it- the male's "parts" are in the palps- by his mouth! *snickers at image of drider sex...* And on a side-note, I've never seen any lore which implicitly stated that they could not have little "driderlings". And the little ones might even be kind of cute!! (If one ignores the large fangs, of course.)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 18 Sep 2010 : 00:25:30
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| Me, I was thinking of a variant ritual, usable by the driders themselves to increase their numbers. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 18 Sep 2010 : 01:42:37
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Me, I was thinking of a variant ritual, usable by the driders themselves to increase their numbers.
That was my method as well...though I will admit that they still drew the ritual from the power of a God and it was a clerical spell.
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for it to be a Wizard spell too; though I'm not sure if it would be considered still a ritual spell that the target had to be willing to undergo, or if it could be a curse type spell. |
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Snowblood
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Posted - 18 Sep 2010 : 01:58:32
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| A specialised polymorph other ritual......where the being volunteers would do it........ |
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Tel Verinal drow city
