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Bookwyrm
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 Posted - 27 Oct 2003 : 06:29:51
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I think she's talking about the actual topic of this thread . . . .  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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William of Waterdeep
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Posted - 28 Oct 2003 : 00:25:27
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Originally posted by Arivia
Ack, at least this doesn't look as bad as I thought it would be.
 see,I told you white robes go with anything.  |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Mar 2004 : 05:33:16
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First official preview is out:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ps/20040305a
Can you spot the error?
Personally, I'm looking forward to this.
However, those bits at the end..."something never done for D&D before"...I wonder?
Speculations? Thoughts? Dreams? Flames?
And yes, this post is asking to be moderated...
*Holds out hands for a smack from Alaundo*
EDIT: Yes, my post above was talking about the topic of this thread. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Arivia
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Posted - 06 Mar 2004 : 06:39:37
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I was just trying to keep it all to the same topic, Sage... |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 06 Mar 2004 : 09:56:35
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Originally posted by Arivia
I was just trying to keep it all to the same topic, Sage...
Well met
Worry not, Arivia. You did nothing wrong  Lets discuss the excerpts and WotC web-based material over in The Sages scroll and once then actual tome itself is released then we can discuss it over here 
Oh, whats this!?  Theres a loose scroll by Rad over here, but ill pop that over on the archive shelf I suppose.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 08 Mar 2004 : 02:06:54
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Originally posted by Alaundo
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia
I was just trying to keep it all to the same topic, Sage...
Well met
Worry not, Arivia. You did nothing wrong Lets discuss the excerpts and WotC web-based material over in The Sages scroll and once then actual tome itself is released then we can discuss it over here
Oh, whats this!? Theres a loose scroll by Rad over here, but ill pop that over on the archive shelf I suppose.
::scratches head annoyingly at the sight of loose scrolls::
Indeed...
Arivia I did not mean to 'attack' your move here regarding the recent previews of the PGtF released. I just thought it was more appropriate to keep the previews discussion, and the actual discussion about the tome separate.
Please accept my apologies if I caused you any stress or anger over this...
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 08 Mar 2004 : 02:31:47
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 22:53:28
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Well, just got back from the store after waiting for a half hour to pick this up.
I've basically only skimmed through chapter 1 so far, plus a few other things through the book. The sections on Knowledge(local) and the revised region selection guidelines clear a few things up, and a few of the new feats are...interesting. Otherworldly would have to be one of those, which makes a Deep Imaskar, elf, or spirit folk a native outsider, and grants them darkvision and a bonus on Diplomacy checks.
A few other things I looked at:
Revised Incantatrix-I'll have to playtest this one first. There's still a vestige of the mandatory specialization(which, if I remember correctly, was stated as the largest problem when updating the class), and it did gain some nice abilities with continous effects. However, it did lose most of the "extraplanar opponent" focus, by losing see ethereal, strike ethereal, and send away, in addition to drain item. At least it still gets the bonus epic feat...
Complete Spell List-The Magic chapter does contain something nice: a spell list for every class with every FR spell on it-including the two or three from Monsters of Faerun. The spell list isn't the be all and end all, though-it doesn't have the PHB spells on it.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 02:51:21
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Interesting... Elves are native outsiders? When did this come about? I know they originally came from Faerie, but..... 
As for reading, I have yet to pick up the tome from my local bookstore... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 03:01:48
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 03:26:18
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Originally posted by Arivia
Well, just got back from the store after waiting for a half hour to pick this up.
How does the updated timeline look? All recent events in Faerun included? |
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Arivia
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 04:18:03
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If you consider only covering the events of War of the Spider Queen and the Archwizards trilogy all recent events, then yes.
There's nothing else covered, but those two are covered in some detail. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 04:21:05
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Arivia
Well, just got back from the store after waiting for a half hour to pick this up.
How does the updated timeline look? All recent events in Faerun included?
Most of the chapter is a summary on the return of Shade and up to book three of the Spider Queen novels. Then there are some rumors that deal with those two events. It could have been better.... :( |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 15:19:25
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Originally posted by Arivia
If you consider only covering the events of War of the Spider Queen and the Archwizards trilogy all recent events, then yes.
There's nothing else covered, but those two are covered in some detail.
So, just the RSEs are given space. Figures. Thank you Arivia for your reply. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 15:21:25
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Originally posted by kuje31
Most of the chapter is a summary on the return of Shade and up to book three of the Spider Queen novels. Then there are some rumors that deal with those two events. It could have been better.... :(
There's a shock. <insert rolling eye smilie here, any news on that Alaundo? please?>
If that chapter had been better, a prestige class might have been dropped. What's the matter with you kuje31? I can't have any madness like that touching my Realms books. <insert you know what here> |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 19:32:27
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
Most of the chapter is a summary on the return of Shade and up to book three of the Spider Queen novels. Then there are some rumors that deal with those two events. It could have been better.... :(
There's a shock. <insert rolling eye smilie here, any news on that Alaundo? please?>
If that chapter had been better, a prestige class might have been dropped. What's the matter with you kuje31? I can't have any madness like that touching my Realms books. <insert you know what here>
EEEEEEEEEEEEEE gods! No not another prestige class being cut! The HORROR! We can't have that, No that just won't do! Cut some of that flavor text, there we go all better! :) (Need a sarcastic smilie.... :)) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 09:57:27
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Got hold of a copy of PGtF yesterday. Very well presented and a worthwhile product. Much of the content isnt directly useful to myself personally, at least not yet, as I dont get giddy about Prestige Classes, yet more spells etc. as my campaigns are heavy role-playing rather than built around stats and combat, but I can see that it will appeal to the majority of FR players.
The Campaign Journals section is great, shame its not longer and got more than just the return of Shade and Lloths silence. For those a bit more unfamiliar with the Realms, it would have been nice for WotC to mention spoilers and list which novels to read for these events 
The Cosmology section is very impressive and imformative also.
I can see me reading this product for quite some time to come, and I AM very intrigued by some of the Prestige Classes, to a point where I think that this product alone will encourage me to look into these more and incorportate them in my campaign.
Based on an overall view as a gamer, id rate this product 8.5 out of 10.... likely rising to a 9 over the next week |
Lord Rad
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 12:28:17
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The Cosmology section is probably the area of PGtF that I will focus on the most, at least at first.
Tell me Rad, does it make any substantial improvements to the FRCS planar cosmology? Could you provide a brief outline of the changes, if at all possible?.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 15:58:49
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| ENWorld's thread on the guide has quite a bit of discussion on the crunch being unbalanced. There's something I haven't heard before. <insert rolling eyes smilie here> |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 16:45:15
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Originally posted by The Sage
The Cosmology section is probably the area of PGtF that I will focus on the most, at least at first.
Tell me Rad, does it make any substantial improvements to the FRCS planar cosmology? Could you provide a brief outline of the changes, if at all possible?.
Its a lot more detailed, Sage, the cosmology diagram is a tenfold inprovement on that in the FRCS. All planes (elemental, fiendish, celestial are fully described in this section rather than the mere sentence they received in the FRCS. Im sure youll enjoy this section  Basically its expanded material from first glances, I was personally pleasantly surprised as to its content |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 18:04:11
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As a big fan of the Planescape setting myself, I'm sure I'd enjoy it too, as the planes have always fascinated me...
Rad, does it explain what deities have realms on these planes, and give a detailed explanation, or just say, "These are the Demonweb Pits. Lolth lives here. Selvetarm lives here. Vhaeraun lives here..." |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 18:41:43
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Part of the planar cosmology I don't care for is that each racial pantheon, Faerun's, Maztica's, Zakhara's, Kara-Tur's, etc, all have a different and seperate Astral Plane connecting to Toril. So thats at least 4 seperate Astral's that connect to Toril. It seems a bit strange.....
Also I don't care for Eilistraee being back in Arvandor, since she exiled herself from it centuries ago. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 19:07:19
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| Well, it was a self-imposed exile, so if she was ready to come back, she came back. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 20:18:43
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Rad, does it explain what deities have realms on these planes, and give a detailed explanation, or just say, "These are the Demonweb Pits. Lolth lives here. Selvetarm lives here. Vhaeraun lives here..."
It gives a little more info than that Shadowlord. Basically for most of the planes it gives general info and traits and goes into more detail for inhabitants (deities and creatures etc) and goes on to list main features of the plane, such as geographical areas. As you can imagine, a number of planes are just refered back to the D&D Manual of Planes.
I also correct myself on what I mentioned in an earlier post about the Campaign Journal chapter - As an introduction to the timeline it DOES state to read the Return of the Archwizards Trilogy and War of the Spider Queen series for more info!  |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 20:36:51
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| Ah, thanks for clarifying that. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 20:40:14
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Well, it was a self-imposed exile, so if she was ready to come back, she came back.
That's good and all, but tell us why she decided to return to Arvandor then. If you are exiled then there had to be a reason why you would return to a place where you almost killed your father. But we probably will never learn why she returned to Arvandor besides the standard WOTC, "We wanted her there, so that is why she is there. We don't need to give you a reason why we changed it." |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 20:53:03
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| Yes, well that's true... Personally, I find it annoying that WotC moves deities' home planes around, then say, "He/She wanted a more exotic locale..." "It just happened, no one knows why..." and so on. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 21:25:00
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Yes, well that's true... Personally, I find it annoying that WotC moves deities' home planes around, then say, "He/She wanted a more exotic locale..." "It just happened, no one knows why..." and so on.
Yup, Yup. :) Which was my point. I don't mind the changes when they are given a explaination on why so and so got changed or why this deity moved to here. I've complained about it before on the WOTC boards about Xara in the Silver Marches sourcebook. She went from being good and having a fairy dragon familiar to being evil and having an imp familiar. I asked Rich why and how this came about and his answer was, "Well there is no in game reason really. I just wanted an evil character in Silverymoon so I changed her."
Great thanks, a lot. At least make up a story on why she changed from the old the North box set to the Silver Marches stat block. Or why Eilistraee returned to Arvandor after some 10,000+ years of exile..... |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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