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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 15:30:43
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Originally posted by Uzzy
In what sense would focusing on previous versions of the Realms be a slap in the face to Wizards?
I'm not talking about focusing on previous versions of the Realms. I'm talking about deliberately avoiding 4e chatter -- which seems to be what you're suggesting here. That's just a slap in the face to the hard work of 4e designers who we can still enjoy and appreciate.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 17:12:56
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Uzzy
In what sense would focusing on previous versions of the Realms be a slap in the face to Wizards?
I'm not talking about focusing on previous versions of the Realms. I'm talking about deliberately avoiding 4e chatter -- which seems to be what you're suggesting here. That's just a slap in the face to the hard work of 4e designers who we can still enjoy and appreciate.
Indeed. And as I've commented more than once, even if you don't like the 4E Realms, there are still some bits of niftiness that can be back-ported into prior times. |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 19:28:45
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 20:29:53
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Originally posted by Uzzy
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Uzzy
Well, if Candlekeep finally ended it's silly policy of respecting 4th Edition 'Realms', then that'd be a good thing worthy of applause.
Errr... yeah. I can tell you now, so long as I'm a Moderator here, that will never happen. Respecting all the Realms and it's diverse fanbase is what the community here at Candlekeep is all about.
Sadly this respect extends to the 4th Edition 'Realms', which, to put it mildly, isn't worthy of the name. Thanks to, you know, the whole removing most of what made the Realms interesting.
Even more annoyingly, it seems that the next Candlekeep Compendium is going to attempt to bridge the gap. If only Candlekeep could/would say 'If you want 4th Edition 'Realms', you've got WoTC for support. If you want prior editions, there's us.' I'd be totally behind that.
wow, great way to help us come together. 
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Judging by the rather one-sided license they were offering at the onset of 4e, I would say creating new, 3e Realms material with crunch would really be treading on some very thin ice. Our best bet would be to stat stuff bare-bones, like they did in 1e, with FR's initial release. You just say someone is a lev 25 Wizard, and let them decide what edition we are talking about.
I really don't believe that WotC would do anything. All the stuff I've created has yet to be seen in any DDI article or book that I know of and it's mostly posted on their own site. I just don't think they care enough to pursue fan-made material based on their product as long as it doesn't give out information that they've already created (discussing publshed feats/paragon paths/powers etc...) It's either they don't care or it doesn't show up on their radar to become a problem. And while I'd be at little upset they took something I created and published it as their own, I'll probably get over it. |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 22:08:21
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[i]Originally posted by Sylrae[/
An example not including 4e: In 3e, there was something published that allowed methods of time travel. I think it was to accomodate use of a setting-neutral 3.5 book that allowed it. This contradicted a 2e AD&D book, Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves, which said the only ways to time travel were dependant on a spell called Time Conduit, and a number of gates that functioned the same way. It also said any other methods of time travel had both sets of limitations on them. So I applied the limits of the older spells to the newer
You mentioned time travel good sir.  Thats the perfect fix like they have done over and over in Star Trek.  I can see it now.... Imagine with me. Our band of heroes find the magic needed as you listed them. Go back in time warn the Goddess, crisis averted! 4th edition keeps their time jump, it's a win for every body! The Realms will have changed some in the time jump but it wouldn't be the nuke type of change. The 4th edition crowd get change and space from npc's and such like and the old guard now has a Realms that may be different but still has the all important FEEL! Just think of the Realms lore that could be done by both groups working together to fill in the time span. Wouldn't that be glorious! It's a dream I have had oh but what a dream.
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I still say this would fix everything.
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 22:26:47
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I suppose the treasure table in the FRCG isn't a total disaster, so there is something that can be ported back.
Eh, what can I say. With the new Candlekeep Compendium seemingly dead set on transitioning between Pre-Spellplague and Post-Spellplague Realms, it seems that the pure Pre-Spellplague fans are being pushed out. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 22:33:23
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Originally posted by Diffan
I really don't believe that WotC would do anything. All the stuff I've created has yet to be seen in any DDI article or book that I know of and it's mostly posted on their own site. I just don't think they care enough to pursue fan-made material based on their product as long as it doesn't give out information that they've already created (discussing publshed feats/paragon paths/powers etc...) It's either they don't care or it doesn't show up on their radar to become a problem. And while I'd be at little upset they took something I created and published it as their own, I'll probably get over it.
Normal 'fan-based' material might fall under that heading, but CK is a bit different - we have many 'official types' hanging-out in these Hallowed Halls, including Ed himself. What we do here has a bit more 'traction' to the FR community then other fan-based material, simply because of our quasi-official status (meaning, some of our scribes have gone on and become designers, and fan-projects from here have wound up in official products, and have even been given an official 'nod' in said products).
So the CK site - perhaps the Realms BIGGEST advocate - suddenly turning on the parent company and refusing to support its current product line would have a much greater negative impact then anyone else doing so.
If we create new lore with old-edition stats, we are asking for trouble. Their 4e license goes out of its way to say that that is a NO NO - most specifically, using 4e ideas and backwards-engineering them into 3e rules.
I can pretty-much gaurantee you that if someone were to write-up (and stat out) the Warlock Knights of Vassa, or any other 4e-specific piece of lore, we would be hit with a 'cease and desist' faster then a Paparazzi snapping a picture of Brittney Spears getting out of a Limo.
They shouldn't mind lore (without crunch), and if we just say 'level this' and 'level that', then no-harm, no-foul, and we will most likely just be ignored.
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 00:36:43
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I don't have any street cred. Can I have some Markus?
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 01:19:57
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I don't have any street cred. Can I have some Markus?
Hee hee
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 01:42:39
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Originally posted by Uzzy
Eh, what can I say.
You would do well, methinks, to say nothing at all.
At least not until such a time as you actually read the thread about the newest proposed Compendium, wherein it states quite clearly that the project is to be open to fans of all eras of the Realms.
Here's a helpful link: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13736 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 01:44:21
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Originally posted by Uzzy
I suppose the treasure table in the FRCG isn't a total disaster, so there is something that can be ported back.
Eh, what can I say. With the new Candlekeep Compendium seemingly dead set on transitioning between Pre-Spellplague and Post-Spellplague Realms, it seems that the pure Pre-Spellplague fans are being pushed out.
How so? Matt's already said that articles that build on previous lore -- where applicable -- are appropriate for possible contribution. My music article will feature material from practically all editions of the setting. And Matt said that was a great idea, so... |
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 02:03:11
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Originally posted by Markustay
Correct Matt, but by the same token, people have to respect that if they are writing a piece about Gold Elves that takes place in the distant past, they CANNOT write something that conflicts with the new lore we have learned about Elven origins.
Many of the changes were wrought by the Spellplague directly or through subsequent events following it. This shaping is chronological, meaning the terminology changes are effective going forward, not backward.
As far as writing for the new Compendium, I don't believe it's necessary to adhere so strictly to canon that something a scribe might write about (say a piece filling in the gaps on a story first depicted in the Current Clack section of the old Gray Box, for example) must use Fourth Edition terminology when discussing Elves or magic items, etc...because there's already 1E and 2E terminology in place for that era.
People who are interested in that time frame of the Realms will naturally understand any written work best when such works are written using terms appropriate to that time.
Canon is not so important a thing that it's makes it necessary for a scribe to use a post-Spellplague term to describe something from an earlier era. To do so would be, in my opinion, silly, as well as antithetical to the whole point of the Compendium.
It is a celebration of all eras, so lets bring forth the best parts of those eras in our writing, terminology and all.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 02:44:19
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I agree, but what I meant was that we still should take into cosideration where things have gone when back-filling the past.
In other words, whereas before we had theories about the connection between fallen Tintageer and Sundering-formed Evermeet, now we have some facts. A person can't write a story about that era and say that the island was formed from the Faerûnian landmass (as was originally believed) when we now know that Evermeet is in fact a part of Faerie that was shifted into Faerûn's prime material plane.
A person could simply state that the island "arose from the waves", which works for either version - I think 'vague' works best for us in these instances.
I actually doubt a lot of this will even come up, but I don't want someone purposely writing something that contradicts established lore just because they didn't like the official version.
Believe me you, I love those 'what if' threads that speculate about alternate events... but this is the CK compendium, not an episode of Sliders. I'm not saying we need use the new terminology, i'm just saying we should keep it in mind and try to respect it. Sometimes its as simple as changing the way something is phrased to make it work both ways (as in my example above).
That's why I'm going to enjoy writing about the 'transition period', commonly referred to as the 'Years of sorrow' by ordinary folk. This way I can use whatever I want - have my cake and Edith too. |
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 03:28:42
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The work you draw your facts from is POV—point of view—written: the excerpt from Laeroth Runemaster on page 11 of the GHotR.
From our omniscient gamer point of view, we can surmise that this bit of lore in GHotR rewrites things to set up nicely for the idea that land masses and other things can shift in and out of the Realms from other realities (something the 4E Realms did while on steroids), the side effects of which include major Weave disruptions and even the alteration of time itself—another helpful bit when it comes to explaining away contradictions between the pre and post-Spellplague Realms.
But I wonder at the wisdom in taking this idea so far that we fail to consider a good Compendium contribution might be something that gives another intriguing possibility for how Evermeet came to be, or that plays on an NPC's belief in (or quest based on) an alternate or mistaken idea of how Evermeet came about.
Which is to say just because Laeroth Runemaster says something doesn't mean it's true, nor does it mean his work is widely disseminated or accepted as the final verdict on the subject.
So, I agree with you nobody should definitively say how Evermeet came about, but in my opinion we can still cast a wide net for scribe produced stories and ideas without improperly stepping on the toes of canon.
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Knight of the Gate
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 04:44:40
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
The work you draw your facts from is POV—point of view—written: the excerpt from Laeroth Runemaster on page 11 of the GHotR.
From our omniscient gamer point of view, we can surmise that this bit of lore in GHotR rewrites things to set up nicely for the idea that land masses and other things can shift in and out of the Realms from other realities (something the 4E Realms did while on steroids), the side effects of which include major Weave disruptions and even the alteration of time itself (another helpful bit when it comes to explaining away contradictions between the pre and post-Spellplague Realms.
But I wonder if we shouldn't take this idea so far as to not consider that a good Compendium contribution might be something that gives another intriguing possibility for how Evermeet came to be, or that plays on an NPC's belief in (or quest based on) an alternate or mistaken idea of how Evermeet came about.
Which is to say just because Laeroth Runemaster says something doesn't mean it's true, nor does it mean his work is widely disseminated or accepted as the final verdict on the subject.
So, I agree with you nobody should definitively say how Evermeet came about, but in my opinion we can still cast a wide net for scribe produced stories and ideas without improperly stepping on the toes of canon.
Taking this a step further, I'd quite like to see a conspiracy-theorist half-elven take on Evermeet: 'The Purebloods sacrificed 500 newborn half-elves in a pact with the Deceiver, which is what gave Auraushnee the power to rebel in the first place!' or somesuch. I've always thought that some of the absolute best Realmslore is straight-up dis- or misinformation.
And just to reinforce the point that those of us who are no fans of the 'post-toasty' Realms can learn from new lore, the Eladrin/elf differentiation is currently being enacted (in game) in my long-running campaign, as the heir to house Durothil (a political outcast of a Loremaster) reaches the culmination of his decades-long quest to find the point at which his ancestors crossed over from Tintageer. Before the advent of 4E, my plot was going in a radically different direction, but I read the bit about the gold/siver elves being Eladrin (and the subsequent changes to the Feywild/Faerie) and a light-bulb popped into existance over my dome and demanded that I re-write hours and hours of gameplay. My game is (I hope) going to be better for it.
In any case, I agree with MM's assessment (will wonders never cease?) of the situation, though I totally understand MT's concerns. I look forward to the new CC, though I can't contribute what I'd hoped to; I finally got a job in this crazy economy and I now work worse hours than Bob Cratchit,but beggars can't be choosers, eh? |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 04:57:58
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I have this strange feeling (what sort of feeling? A blocked by a firm NDA feeling; THAT sort of feeling) that we will all see some more canon lore on Evermeet, sometime in the future...
Sigh. Patience is harder as one gets older, not easier. It's the feeling of one's own time running out . . .
love to all,
THO
P.S. Mr. Miscellany, MY Candlekeep (and Ed's) IS still Edition-Neutral. But then, so is The Forgotten Realms, as he created it and runs it, in the "Home" Realms campaign. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 05:17:36
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
I have this strange feeling (what sort of feeling? A blocked by a firm NDA feeling; THAT sort of feeling) that we will all see some more canon lore on Evermeet, sometime in the future...
Sigh. Patience is harder as one gets older, not easier. It's the feeling of one's own time running out . . .
love to all,
THO
P.S. Mr. Miscellany, MY Candlekeep (and Ed's) IS still Edition-Neutral. But then, so is The Forgotten Realms, as he created it and runs it, in the "Home" Realms campaign.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 05:22:09
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Wow, I leave for a few months and I still get named in some of this drama. :)
Waves and goes back to lurking, (rarely). And for the record, these arguments, and some other comments that were directed at me at last years Gencon, had finally drove me away. As it was said earlier, it's been two years people, let it go. Some of us are probably not going to change our minds, we like the old material, you like the new material, so be it.
That said, I think it'll be to hard for me to write new material for Matt's version of the Compendium, so I'll have to decline because all of my material would be based around 1e to 3e material. I refuse to purchase 4e FR material, even more so just for fan articles. Plus, a lot of the time my articles did change canon.
Sigh. See you around.
Kuje.
P.S. I hope the new Compendium works out and it gets Alaundo's backing. That was all I cared about really, that he was contacted about it.
P.P.S. If anyone replies to this post, I probably won't see it for days (or weeks) but there are people who know how to contact me in places other then Candlekeep. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 10:04:21
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
... THO ...
P.S. Mr. Miscellany, MY Candlekeep (and Ed's) IS still Edition-Neutral. But then, so is The Forgotten Realms, as he created it and runs it, in the "Home" Realms campaign.
True enough. "My" Realms will never see that horror of the Mystra murders and Spellplague either, but ... you know, let me put it this way: Imagine you were supporting the Texas Rangers and go to their games and play some PC game called American Football Manager with them at home when there e.g. is no season. Suddenly, the owner switches, turns them into a baseball team (see, baseball is cooler and you can adress more people (and make more money with it)!) and tells you to get along with it. You can still go home and play your Texas Rangers Football Team Manager with your PC, but in your heart, you know that the "real" world looks different. The Sword of Damocles hangs threateningly over each character you create, each god you use, each country you play in. Sure one can block that out ... but it still ain't a great feeling at all.
And to know that WotC can happen by and claim all of the stuff presented here for even the old Realms does not help me post anything that I have created for them during the last decade either.
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 10:52:18
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Originally posted by Uzzy
it seems that the pure Pre-Spellplague fans are being pushed out.
No, they're not being pushed out. They're going off into the corner and sulking. Seriously, this anti-4ed whinning is getting as flipping annoying as the pro-4ed whinning. I'm seriously thinking of quitting Candlekeep as I'm tired of the idiots on both sides.  |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 12:22:14
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I've been following the recent discussions here and in the cake scroll and I think it's time for me to voice my opinion.
I'm trying not to repeat what others have said but it's been 2-3 years since 4e and the new Realms came out. Although I didn't like the changes at first I gave it a shot and it isn't all that bad. I understand why some people don't like 4e and the new Realms, but we can't change what's already done. It's up to us (and of course Ed and the James bros. to name but a few) to improve the new Realms and make the best of it.
I'm afraid though, that by the time 5e comes out we're still discussing this. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 16:23:17
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 18:14:42
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Nice to hear from u again Kuje.
I agree with Alisttair, I think some handslaps need to
be given out to scribes who seem to be pointed calling
other out.
Also it seems to me that some of the discourse seems to
be purposely tring to stir the pot, for no doubt devious
purposed. But thats me, I still think the CIA had something
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 19:11:43
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Many of us who were regulars over at the WotC boards - folks like myself and Lord Karsus - were literally harassed into leaving, because we couldn't take being attacked every time we voiced our opinions.
Fine... those boards belong to Hasbro and I think I might actually agree with the sentiment that "If we don't like what wotC is currently doing, don't post here anymore".
Tell me about it; I even started getting private mails that convinced me that those boards are no longer worth my time. I tried to involve the moderators several times but they never replied or took any action. Anyway, around that time I found about a company called Paizo...  |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 21:35:17
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
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Originally posted by Uzzy
Eh, what can I say.
You would do well, methinks, to say nothing at all.
At least not until such a time as you actually read the thread about the newest proposed Compendium, wherein it states quite clearly that the project is to be open to fans of all eras of the Realms.
Here's a helpful link: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13736
It's sweet that you think I've not read that. Really. Perhaps in future you can not ascribe actions or lack thereof to me? And adding a smiley doesn't exactly make it better, you know.
Now, in that thread, there is some talk of transitioning or writing articles in the 1380 to 1470 time line. I really don't like the sound of that. Then again, I don't like the sound of the Candlekeep Compendium even acknowledging the existence of the post-Spellplague era.
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It's up to us (and of course Ed and the James bros. to name but a few) to improve the new Realms and make the best of it.
Cool. My suggestion would be to purge any information about the post-Spellplague era and reset it to 1374 DR. That'd be an improvement. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 22:02:46
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Uzzy, I don't like the Spellplague either. I don't play in games set during it and the campaign I ran had the express purpose of preventing it from happening.
HOWEVER, I do support Matt & everyone's efforts to try and put out a Compendium that has transition articles for the Spellplague for the express purpose of trying to lessen the gap between pre/post Spellplague fans. If that's not for you, then don't worry about it and ignore it. The Compendium being suggested is an olive branch between the two 'sides' instead of the bazooka you're proposing. |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 22:20:32
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I like bazooka's!
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Long live Alias and Dragonbait! Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb the Realms need you more then ever!
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 22:26:37
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Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
I'm not a fan of post 1480 realms. I'm a huge fan of post 1385 Realms... That's where my campaign is at right now, and lemme tell you, it's a time for heroes.
I believe that one of the most significant factors in the community schism, here at the 'Keep, is Wooly Rupert. Although a moderator, he is vehemently anti-4e. Nigh a few days go by that he has launched into an anti-4e tirade. If the stated goal of Candlekeep is to remain edition nuetral, it is deleterious to that goal to empower an anti-4e grognard with the aegis of 'moderation'.
Sage, I'm sorry that you felt that this was a personal attack on Wooly Rupert. It was not intended as such. It was intended, and I believe that it was stated clearly, (although with enough hegde-works to make it clearly my opinion) that if a Moderator is clearly anti-WotC, anti-post 2e development, then it is deleterious to the goal of ending the "Development Schism". I believe that we busy little underfoot ink-touts and candle-lighters should be free to speak truth to "power", and that the Moderators' knee-jerk reaction should not be to shut us down. My reading of A5 in the Code of Conduct reveals no violation on my part. Your mileage may vary, and in this instance, is the only road that matters.
An even cursory reading of my posts in the "Cake" thread will reveal that my one and only goal is to embrace *ALL* aspects of canon, whether I like some of it or not.
My (and my players) fictional characters like the Spellplague even less than the pseudo-pundits here. Please note, I had taken a few years off gaming in the Realms (from about 2006-2008), and my campaign, begun in RL 1992, had developed from 1357 DR-to the winter of 1384 DR. When I returned to gaming in the Realms, I found out there were some big things coming in the spring of 1385... and it was a time for Heroes. The time period that would come to be known as "The Wailing Years" is a time when Faerun needs its heroes most. So, while the players of these heroes may well run and hide, poo-poo the Plague and the designers who wrought it, I am certain that their PC's will rally to the challenges of 1385, because *their world* needs them... |
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 22:55:12
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| Meh, never mind. Uzzy's not worth the time. |
Edited by - Mr_Miscellany on 14 Jun 2010 23:21:06 |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3249 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 00:04:00
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Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
quote:
Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
I'm not a fan of post 1480 realms. I'm a huge fan of post 1385 Realms... That's where my campaign is at right now, and lemme tell you, it's a time for heroes.
I believe that one of the most significant factors in the community schism, here at the 'Keep, is Wooly Rupert. Although a moderator, he is vehemently anti-4e. Nigh a few days go by that he has launched into an anti-4e tirade. If the stated goal of Candlekeep is to remain edition nuetral, it is deleterious to that goal to empower an anti-4e grognard with the aegis of 'moderation'.
Sage, I'm sorry that you felt that this was a personal attack on Wooly Rupert. It was not intended as such. It was intended, and I believe that it was stated clearly, (although with enough hegde-works to make it clearly my opinion) that if a Moderator is clearly anti-WotC, anti-post 2e development, then it is deleterious to the goal of ending the "Development Schism". I believe that we busy little underfoot ink-touts and candle-lighters should be free to speak truth to "power", and that the Moderators' knee-jerk reaction should not be to shut us down. My reading of A5 in the Code of Conduct reveals no violation on my part. Your mileage may vary, and in this instance, is the only road that matters.
An even cursory reading of my posts in the "Cake" thread will reveal that my one and only goal is to embrace *ALL* aspects of canon, whether I like some of it or not.
My (and my players) fictional characters like the Spellplague even less than the pseudo-pundits here. Please note, I had taken a few years off gaming in the Realms (from about 2006-2008), and my campaign, begun in RL 1992, had developed from 1357 DR-to the winter of 1384 DR. When I returned to gaming in the Realms, I found out there were some big things coming in the spring of 1385... and it was a time for Heroes. The time period that would come to be known as "The Wailing Years" is a time when Faerun needs its heroes most. So, while the players of these heroes may well run and hide, poo-poo the Plague and the designers who wrought it, I am certain that their PC's will rally to the challenges of 1385, because *their world* needs them...
Okay, I want to respond to this (in addition to the other thread).
Brace, if you can give me ONE example of Wooly ever abusing his moderator's powers (editing other posts, sealing scrolls, banning members, etc) in order to further his personal beliefs regarding 4E and the post-spellplague realms, then I will never say another bad thing about 4E ever again.
In fact, I will go on to the WotC forums and proclaim (without any sarcasm) that 4th Edition is the best rules system in existence, and the Spellplague is the best thing to ever happen to the Realms.
However, if all you can do is point to how he argues his point of view as passionately as you do, then YOU may owe HIM an apology. |
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Candlekeep is no longer edition neutral
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