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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 23:58:03
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Is CandleKeep Edition neutral?
Yes. You can post anything in any edition here (the Forums at least)
Are the Mods Edition neutral?
No/Yes. They are people and have their favourites, but they usually let things pass if they dislike it.
Are the posters Edition Neutral?
Hell No. But at least be nice to each other, or the flames will be deleted and this is stated by the rules. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 01:03:42
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Originally posted by althen artren
So tell me Amarel, did you like the spiderman clone saga?
Boy, o boy. What a big old mess. I think the compendium
has merit, but do we have any idea of how much
old information was retconned? That might lead to continuity
problems that even DC couldn't fix. (ZERO HOUR anyone?)
Heh. I actually count myself among the few who enjoyed the "Clone Saga." Sure, it was a little bizarre and far-fetched in places... but hey, we're talking about a story featuring a teenager who was bitten by a radioactive spider. Bizarre and far-fetched are part of the territory. |
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xaviera
Learned Scribe
Canada
149 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 01:35:53
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Originally posted by Matt James
I take the name change (Eladrin as an example) as a means of how the world refers to the race currently. I don't see it as anything more than that when trying to explain it through script. Moon Elves, Sun Elves-- they still exist.
Different terminology - even different understanding of the same terms - can perhaps be used to explain (from an 'in character' point of view) many of the differences between editions. Consider, for example, how the meaning of the word 'atom' has changed over 2500 years.
In some ways, then, writing 'for' a particular edition can be seen as writing in the style of the times, and the relatively clear demarcation between events in FR from 3rd to 4th ed can provide most of us with a time period in which to set our own particular works. My own meagre writings on Sharess, it would seem, really only apply to a span of less than 30 years after the ToT, but I would hope that some of it can be mined by people for settings both before the ToT or after the Spellplague. Since Sunites were always just closet Sharessin in any case, having the latter as an exarch of the former does make some sense... 
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 02:02:02
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I like the clone saga too. I wish I had read more of it.
But really wish they didn't kill Ben off.
Boy I wish the Realms had a "hypertime" concept like DC does. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 03:33:10
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HMMMM, very intriguing Sage.
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
Canada
313 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 03:37:12
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As I saw someone say in the past page or so, "I don't have a problem with people liking post spellplague realms, but it isn't for me".
I think part of the divide on a group project is the division in belief of what is considered canon. I'm perfectly happy playing in pre 1385DR Realms, and ill play in my sandbox while other people play in theirs, but for 4e they didn't just change the things that happened after 1385DR, thye also retconned many of the things from before as well. Myself, and I imagine others as well, won't play with the retcons any more than we will play with the 1480DR world.
A few simple examples, as mentioned are elves/eladrin: Eladrin, to me will always be outsiders (including the Ghaele and Bralani), and elves are humanoid, not fey.
While I can avoid attacking people who like the changes they made, my dislike of the changes stop me from using them or accepting them as canon, so if something was written 'edition neutral' but incorporated all the ret-cons of 4e, it would probably be of little use to me. I tend to take the opposite approach, which very much doesn't support the curren moves. I believe in pre-con (made up term). I think the things that were printed earlier trump the things that were printed later. So if a 2e book contradicts a 3e book, I the 2e version wins, unless it's such a minor point that I don't care. If the newer source has a valid explanation for things (Something changed, like drow magic not going away on the surface at the advent of 3e, explained in the starlight and shadows trilogy), then I'll accept it. But that to me means that in games pre 1370DR, drow magic goes away in the sun, regardless of game-edition. Actual ret-cons of "it's always been this way, just accept it" are things I just consider non-canon, regardless of the 'official' stance.
An example not including 4e: In 3e, there was something published that allowed methods of time travel. I think it was to accomodate use of a setting-neutral 3.5 book that allowed it. This contradicted a 2e AD&D book, Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves, which said the only ways to time travel were dependant on a spell called Time Conduit, and a number of gates that functioned the same way. It also said any other methods of time travel had both sets of limitations on them. So I applied the limits of the older spells to the newer ones.
I would love to see new FR Lore. I'd even gladly contribute to it. But it would have to be done in such a way that the ret-cons didn't step on my toes for it to be useful. Pre-spellplague would have to be without reference to any of the ret-cons, though all the RSEs which actively change things I'll put up with. I can even accept the spellplague. sure it happens. I could even write about it. But it happens after of any games ill run or play in, and the things that happen won't retroactively change my games.
I'd love a timeline of all the RSE's and things that change in the realms between 1370 and 1390. I'd like to know the day month and year that mystra die, as well as all the other deity deaths.
I'd like to have players who have to deal with these things and have "Vharaun feels different when I pray and his voice sounds weird in my head now, and why am I starting to feel less evil?". Or have a drow character suddenly transform back into a wild-elf as his family line is given to Eilistrae from Lolth. Of course, as the date approaches the death of Mystra, the players will receive a dire divine warning of some kind, and will quest toward a Time Gate or Time Conduit spell to retreat into Faerun's past before it's too late (Mystra's death would totally mess up Time Conduit), wherein they will intentionally alter the future enough to strand themselves there and avoid the end of the world. Either that, or they will arrange for a small change, so that Mystra chooses a successor, and after Mystra's detah, events carry on as usual, like they did after Mystyl's death.
It also mentioned in cormanthyr empire of elves, thta before a certain year, caps on spell power weren't there. So magic missile doesn't cap out at any maximum number of dice, and neither does fireball, etc.
I can accept that things change, even accept that I won't like changes, but something has to make them change, and any changes explained as 'it's just always been that way' are going to be ignored by me, and I'll find them unacceptable in games I play/run.
If there is a compendium written that is don in such a way as to not force the ret-cons on people, I could get behind that and would both use it, and be willing to contribute to it, whether it had post Mystra Death content or not.
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 03:40:19
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Yeah, the retcon really made a mess of things.....
However, as Ed has said,
maybe the things that have retconned may be viewed as
"well this is how the reports are, but is that how it
really is???" kind of like what he does with matters of the
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 04:09:34
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Here is a solution: Eladrin(Sun/Moon Elves).
Or Sun/Moon Elves(Eladrin).
Really simple if you ask me... |
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 04:12:19
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by jove, that's so simple it may work.
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 05:00:06
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Yeah, the 'Elf thing' is really just one example out of maybe a hundred wherein new lore over-writes previous lore, and like I said earlier (I believe in the other thread), any one or two things aren't all that bad in-and-of themselves. Its the whole ball of wax (at once) that was so hard to swallow.
It is what it is...
Anyhow, I can already see this becoming a problem - people are now re-defining 'canon'. 
CK supports ALL canon, regardless of edition, and the compendiums need to be written in such a way as to support ALL canon, regardless of edition. Personal preferences really shouldn't come into play here. Canon is anything published by TSR/WotC/Hasbro in an official product, Dungeon or Dragon magazine, or online (in the DDi or the once-free articles we used to routinely get). Canon is also anything Ed says, in print, weather here or anywhere else (thats in his contract). I specifically say 'in print' simply because we can't have folks saying stuff like "Ed told me at a convention once... blah blah blah" - thats considered hearsay (unless the man himself varifies it, or THO does).
So what you consider canon and what WotC considers canon might be two totally different things, but at the end of the day we are playing in WotC's playground and their rules apply. I try to adhere as much to canon as I possibly can when I write, but how I run my games is so non-canon it barely looks like the Realms anymore. It's a simple matter of being able to seperate the two.
Now, on the flip side, I think we may be making this into way more then it is before we even start. Lets see what we have first before we break out the 'red marker' and start editing ourselves. All this discourse could be for nothing.
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 05:09:27
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Well, we do the compendium, and then we open ourselves to
their fan based policy?
Me thinks we tread on bad ice here.
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 05:25:09
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@Markustay
Well, I can see what you mean, I'm just saying if we're going to make something we should probably write it in such a way as to not step on anyone's toes. In issues where "New lore overwrites old lore", the best way to make the product enjoyable would be to not mention or put details about those things. Just saying, I don't mind changes, I just don't like when they break continuity.
We have different takes on how to deal with canon, and many people disagree over many things. You can't avoid events that 'happened' while writing something for everyone, but you can avoid mentioning where the new lore rewrites history, so to speak. It seems the most friendly neutral ground I can think of, a sort of middle ground that doesn't step on as many toes.
That way the four camps I seem to see won't get stepped on.
"Old Grey Box Only": Probably won't want new material for anything but Ideas, and that's fine.
"Pre-3e only": Nothing that contradicts the pre-3e stuff will be there.
"Wizard Canon pre 1380DR is fine": Won't be stepped on for the pre 1380DR stuff,
"NEW FR Canon is cool": Won't have any new stuff contradicted.
"New lore is cool, even RSEs are ok, but no history rewrites": No Worries, there won't be any history rewrites.
Just a thought about how to handle this stuff.
@althen artren
Well, if we're edition neutral and don't include 4e game mechanics, I think we fall into a grey area not covered by their fan policy. I believe the people in the compendium thread are looking into the details. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 05:46:55
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The fansite policy affects us no matter what edition we write in - WotC still owns the Intellectual property that is the Forgotten Realms. FR was never, EVER part of the OGL, and therefore this site, AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, would have to fall within the dictates of their fansite policy, even if we never mentioned 4e, the changes, or any crunchy bits.
On the other hand, we can do whatever we like with 3e rules that are part of the OGL - WotC cannot take those rights back once given away. Problem with stating stuff for earlier editions then becomes a problem of us pissing them off, and even if they can't go after us on the rules themselves, they can on the content.
Judging by the rather one-sided license they were offering at the onset of 4e, I would say creating new, 3e Realms material with crunch would really be treading on some very thin ice. Our best bet would be to stat stuff bare-bones, like they did in 1e, with FR's initial release. You just say someone is a lev 25 Wizard, and let them decide what edition we are talking about. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 06:00:43
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| Dear Sage- You liked the Clone Saga? Really? And here I thought I was the only one. Although like althen, I too wish they hadn't killed off Ben. I'm curious about that "Real Clone Saga" you mentioned. As a long-time Marvel reader, I snatch up almost anything dealing with Spidey (the main-U one, not Ultimate) and it was just getting started when I stopped being able to buy comics. Then I moved to a town where they aren't even SOLD anywhere. So now I can't get my "fix". Any light you can shed on this subject? As a poster and Mod on Marvel, I could probably find info there, but they changed their forums (thanks, Disney... for nothin) and I can barely get around on them anymore. Sorry if this is off-topic. Just had to ask. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 06:11:20
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I gave up on Marvel soon after they started producing 5 different covers for the same mag - talk about bleeding the collectors for every penny.
Can't remember where exactly I left off - some time around Ironman's 'Iron wars' (or whatever he called it when he went after everyone with a suit like his). I read it for a short time after that... but not much more. Mid 90's? Thank god I missed out on the Spidey reboot and all that Mephisto drek.
I'm also glad I wasn't around for the red hulk, or chocolate hulk, or peanutbutter crunch hulk....  |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 06:26:29
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Originally posted by Sylrae
lol. That works great for terminology. I meant more of the specifics, such as references to their 4e abilities they didn't used to have, and references to the retcons that change the history.
The Teleport ability is due to the closer proximity of the Feywild.
When in doubt blame the Spellplague...
Like the Returned Abeir stuff, it was hidden from knowledge. The Sages of the Realms forgot about it and when the (you guessed it) Spellplague struck, the hiddenness of Abeir was revealed to all. |
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 06:34:23
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Originally posted by Markustay
I gave up on Marvel soon after they started producing 5 different covers for the same mag - talk about bleeding the collectors for every penny.
Can't remember where exactly I left off - some time around Ironman's 'Iron wars' (or whatever he called it when he went after everyone with a suit like his). I read it for a short time after that... but not much more. Mid 90's? Thank god I missed out on the Spidey reboot and all that Mephisto drek.
I'm also glad I wasn't around for the red hulk, or chocolate hulk, or peanutbutter crunch hulk....
And don't forget the orange serbet Hulk! LOl! But yeah, I didn't like the whole Mephisto debacle, either. I still secretly have my theory of what M-J told him to seal the deal. (First-born kid, anyone?) As to the covers, I kind of like having multiples to choose from. I like some artists better than others, so it's a matter of taste for me. And much as I hated the reboot, I did eventually start liking some of the new stories, if not all of the new villains. I just didn't think they had to un-marry him for those stories to work... |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 12:28:34
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| Well, if Candlekeep finally ended it's silly policy of respecting 4th Edition 'Realms', then that'd be a good thing worthy of applause. Instead the opposite is happening, and it seems inevitable that CK will move to integrating the 4th Edition 'Realms' with the actual Realms. |
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Amarel Derakanor
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 12:57:28
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I'm afraid I haven't read the Clone Saga... But I think I got your point, Althen.  |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 13:41:50
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quote:
Originally posted by Uzzy
Well, if Candlekeep finally ended it's silly policy of respecting 4th Edition 'Realms', then that'd be a good thing worthy of applause. Instead the opposite is happening, and it seems inevitable that CK will move to integrating the 4th Edition 'Realms' with the actual Realms.
Nice... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 14:32:11
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Originally posted by Sylrae
As I saw someone say in the past page or so, "I don't have a problem with people liking post spellplague realms, but it isn't for me".
I think part of the divide on a group project is the division in belief of what is considered canon. I'm perfectly happy playing in pre 1385DR Realms, and ill play in my sandbox while other people play in theirs, but for 4e they didn't just change the things that happened after 1385DR, thye also retconned many of the things from before as well. Myself, and I imagine others as well, won't play with the retcons any more than we will play with the 1480DR world.
A few simple examples, as mentioned are elves/eladrin: Eladrin, to me will always be outsiders (including the Ghaele and Bralani), and elves are humanoid, not fey.
While I can avoid attacking people who like the changes they made, my dislike of the changes stop me from using them or accepting them as canon, so if something was written 'edition neutral' but incorporated all the ret-cons of 4e, it would probably be of little use to me. I tend to take the opposite approach, which very much doesn't support the curren moves. I believe in pre-con (made up term). I think the things that were printed earlier trump the things that were printed later. So if a 2e book contradicts a 3e book, I the 2e version wins, unless it's such a minor point that I don't care. If the newer source has a valid explanation for things (Something changed, like drow magic not going away on the surface at the advent of 3e, explained in the starlight and shadows trilogy), then I'll accept it. But that to me means that in games pre 1370DR, drow magic goes away in the sun, regardless of game-edition. Actual ret-cons of "it's always been this way, just accept it" are things I just consider non-canon, regardless of the 'official' stance.
An example not including 4e: In 3e, there was something published that allowed methods of time travel. I think it was to accomodate use of a setting-neutral 3.5 book that allowed it. This contradicted a 2e AD&D book, Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves, which said the only ways to time travel were dependant on a spell called Time Conduit, and a number of gates that functioned the same way. It also said any other methods of time travel had both sets of limitations on them. So I applied the limits of the older spells to the newer ones.
I would love to see new FR Lore. I'd even gladly contribute to it. But it would have to be done in such a way that the ret-cons didn't step on my toes for it to be useful. Pre-spellplague would have to be without reference to any of the ret-cons, though all the RSEs which actively change things I'll put up with. I can even accept the spellplague. sure it happens. I could even write about it. But it happens after of any games ill run or play in, and the things that happen won't retroactively change my games.
I'd love a timeline of all the RSE's and things that change in the realms between 1370 and 1390. I'd like to know the day month and year that mystra die, as well as all the other deity deaths.
I'd like to have players who have to deal with these things and have "Vharaun feels different when I pray and his voice sounds weird in my head now, and why am I starting to feel less evil?". Or have a drow character suddenly transform back into a wild-elf as his family line is given to Eilistrae from Lolth. Of course, as the date approaches the death of Mystra, the players will receive a dire divine warning of some kind, and will quest toward a Time Gate or Time Conduit spell to retreat into Faerun's past before it's too late (Mystra's death would totally mess up Time Conduit), wherein they will intentionally alter the future enough to strand themselves there and avoid the end of the world. Either that, or they will arrange for a small change, so that Mystra chooses a successor, and after Mystra's detah, events carry on as usual, like they did after Mystyl's death.
It also mentioned in cormanthyr empire of elves, thta before a certain year, caps on spell power weren't there. So magic missile doesn't cap out at any maximum number of dice, and neither does fireball, etc.
I can accept that things change, even accept that I won't like changes, but something has to make them change, and any changes explained as 'it's just always been that way' are going to be ignored by me, and I'll find them unacceptable in games I play/run.
If there is a compendium written that is don in such a way as to not force the ret-cons on people, I could get behind that and would both use it, and be willing to contribute to it, whether it had post Mystra Death content or not.
~Just my 2 cents.
You mentioned time travel good sir. Thats the perfect fix like they have done over and over in Star Trek.  I can see it now.... Imagine with me. Our band of heroes find the magic needed as you listed them. Go back in time warn the Goddess, crisis averted! 4th edition keeps their time jump, it's a win for every body! The Realms will have changed some in the time jump but it wouldn't be the nuke type of change. The 4th edition crowd get change and space from npc's and such like and the old guard now has a Realms that may be different but still has the all important FEEL! Just think of the Realms lore that could be done by both groups working together to fill in the time span. Wouldn't that be glorious! It's a dream I have had oh but what a dream.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 14:37:16
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Originally posted by Uzzy
Well, if Candlekeep finally ended it's silly policy of respecting 4th Edition 'Realms', then that'd be a good thing worthy of applause.
Errr... yeah. I can tell you now, so long as I'm a Moderator here, that will never happen. Respecting all the Realms and it's diverse fanbase is what the community here at Candlekeep is all about. |
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Snowblood
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 14:48:41
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 14:54:14
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Uzzy
Well, if Candlekeep finally ended it's silly policy of respecting 4th Edition 'Realms', then that'd be a good thing worthy of applause.
Errr... yeah. I can tell you now, so long as I'm a Moderator here, that will never happen. Respecting all the Realms and it's diverse fanbase is what the community here at Candlekeep is all about.
Sadly this respect extends to the 4th Edition 'Realms', which, to put it mildly, isn't worthy of the name. Thanks to, you know, the whole removing most of what made the Realms interesting.
Even more annoyingly, it seems that the next Candlekeep Compendium is going to attempt to bridge the gap. If only Candlekeep could/would say 'If you want 4th Edition 'Realms', you've got WoTC for support. If you want prior editions, there's us.' I'd be totally behind that. |
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The Sage
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Uzzy
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 15:01:00
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| In what sense would focusing on previous versions of the Realms be a slap in the face to Wizards? |
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Cleric Generic
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 15:03:48
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Originally posted by The Sage
Why would we slap Wizards in the face with what would obviously be an ineffective strategy anyway?
C'mon Sage, surely one as knowledgeable as yourself is familiar with the dietary requirements of trolls (said the guy who started the Cake thread).  |
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Jorkens
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 15:13:26
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And there's not that many people who see the need for a total separation between editions as far as I can see. 4ed. does not bother me more than 3ed. and I have no business telling people how and what should interest them with their hobby in the first place. As long as there are fans willing to talk about 4ed. it should be a part of the Keep and until the recent thread I thought things had gotten a bit better here, but it seems some people thought otherwise.
But the recent development here does worry me in one way. If a knowledge of newer canon is needed to contribute, that will more or less be a way of saying that a person that owns only the 1st or 2nd edition books will have no way of contributing lore any more, as it is then impossible to know when one goes against canon. Or that great individual ideas will have no place for the simple reason that it goes against elements of canon. As fans it should be possible for people that own only a single edition or even a single Campaign setting to contribute along the same lines as those who have a veritable library of Realms products. For me that is essential in the idea of Edition Neutrality.
There is nothing wrong with the Compendium taking that direction, having a profile where people can be sure that what is written there is correct according to up-to-date canon, but I am a bit worried that the site in general will make it a policy that canon should not be contradicted in submissions to the main archives. That would be the end of any idea concerning Edition Neutrality. Where will the (few of us I admit)posters that don't follow the products of the last ten years stand in Candlekeep 2 where submissions are conserned? |
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Candlekeep is no longer edition neutral
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