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skychrome
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 Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 19:53:20
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Honestly I am a bit tired of people whining about how much they hate 4e and others whining about CK being anti-4e.
Where is the empirical basis on the latter? How many sages here really insist on constantly proclaiming their complete refusal of 4e? If you think about it, the core of those are just a handful. And then you have a lot of users, who do not post 10 times a day and who may not be in favor of the 4e realms as of today, but that should also be seen in the context that there is little 4e lore yet in comparison to the old realms and DDI is not necesarily the medium most people here are interested in. And this forum is about lore.
In the very few threads here regarding 4e content/lore (that were about 4e, not about comparing 4e and other editions), there was maybe less participation in comparison to old lore, but I subjectively never felt that within these threads there were anti-4e-people bothering the interested sages. In fact I always considered it positive if someone started a 4e thread (for example Cleric Generic) and the tone was very much civilized.
I am sure that 4e content (for example in the CK compendium) will not be rejected by a majority here. Participation...well that's another topic. But the 4e realms need time to build up lore. If they do, the setting will grow more appreciated because this forum is basically about lore. And if 4e does not build up lore, well then there is also no reason to wonder why it does not increase its popularity here.
This said I would love to see a new CK compendium with a good share of all editions (or neutral) lore and this also includes 4e, although it has not convinced me that much yet.
And I think a few sages here might also reconsider if it is worth to burst all those useless "why do we not just all get along"-threads to 5 pages by continuing the ranting-loops about how
to turn back time with 5e etc. As if WoTC gave a $%&§...
And I can't believe that there are people who actually feel they have to attack Matt James via PM and email just because there seem to have been misunderstandings in a post. How sad is this? Do you think 4e will disappear by shooting on anyone who recognizes that it actually exists and should be developed towards more lore which is (the lore) basically the reason why most people are here?
I understand their frustration, but that's not the way to go.
I would really like to see more people posting 4e content/questions etc and I really don't see why those threads should not be received in the right tone here, because people not interested in 4e will simply not read it. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 20:46:44
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I'm a carpenter, and on rare occasions customers asked me to do stuff I personally didn't care for - I once painted over millions of dollars of gorgeous, old marble columns in an IBM-owned mansion because the 'shirts' running the project wanted to 'modernize' the place. 
If I really think something isn't going to look right, I try to talk my customers out of it, or at least modify it somewhat, but on one occasion I can remember I had to build something I absolutely hated - but I did it, and it came out damn nice (although I still felt it was completely inappropriate for the style of house and decor). I could have purposely done certain subtle things to make it less nice, and would have still gotten paid, but I do my utmost to work with what I have and do the best I can, regardless of my personal feelings about the project.
So you see, I do have some experience with this type of problem. I will always try to help people make their Realms 'better', in whatever way I can, no matter what edition they play in. That doesn't mean I have to like what I'm doing, nor does it mean I have to keep my opinions to myself.
I was going to quote some folks here with counter-arguments, but I find that is the best way to get a thread to slide downhill quickly. Someone made a point in the other thread, I believe, about WotC having 'fired the first shot' (to sum it up), and I think, perhaps, that may just be at the very core of this divisiveness. They did start bad-mouthing the old editions, including parts of FR, and many of us took that as a personal attack. Since then, every little mention of 4e causes that 'knee-jerk' reaction, and its hard to keep that under control.
In the other thread I had worded something VERY poorly, and I'm sorry for that - I should have been reprimanded by Wooly or at least Sage for that comment, but I wasn't... which probably just pissed-off the pro-4e people even more. That being said, I re-worded it in such a way as to still get my point across without the vitriol - that was one of those 'Knee-jerk' responses I was just talking about. Sometimes you read stuff you posted the next day (when you are fully awake) and say "man, do I sound like a jerk". I've learned to take a lot of what Misc says with a grain of salt - I know he is a good guy and cares very much about the Realms; he just happens to be a lot like me, and sometimes comes off abrasive when defending his position.
Get over it - we are ALL here because we love the Realms, and while some of us think 'true fans' shouldn't buy-into 4e, others, like Mr Misc, feel that a 'true fan' should love the whole enchilada. I think this constant bickering is driving the biggest rift into the Realms fans, and why we have lost so many scribes.  |
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 21:58:48
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Very well said Skychrome and Markustay. I usually just troll about these kinds of threads, not tossing in my 2 cents, for good reason. I too have recognized the misplaced anger that might come across in some of my posts when i'm writing stuff i really care about. But i have learned to let the thoughts mull over in my head for about a day after i first thought of them. Saturizing them for a time, and letting my head wrap around the basic ideas. Constructive criticism is one thing, hammering down the first enthusiastic ,yet angry ideas that pop into your head is quite another.
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
545 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 22:51:07
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I won't support a 4E based book of fanlore...
Would you support a book of fanlore that wasn't specific to 4E? Such as what Matt's proposing on the other thread?
And if not, why not? Feel free to PM, if that's any easier. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 23:44:55
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Essentially, this thread was calling for (again) opinions of Candlekeepers on 4E and why or why they do not like their editions. Just look above to see that people started writing this or that in defence or opposition to this or that view. Cynical people could say that Mr_Misc. just wanted to get another confirmation that this board is "biased" (against 4E).
Well, you sure find your supporters amongst the Candlekeepers, but I for one would simply assume that it was not 4E what killed the Realms, but it was what 4E and the Spellplague made of the Realmslore up to date. For no matter how you turn it, nigh every Realmslore written for the Old Realms will essentially end on that Realmsnarök day in 1380. No ifs and buts and maybes ... it has been cast into stone and sadly been underwritten by the archwizard himself (in one way or another).
Why would any sane friend of FR lore pre-Spellplague welcome that decision, event, and consequently this edition? (Rhethorical question!)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Jun 2010 : 01:01:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I won't support a 4E based book of fanlore...
Would you support a book of fanlore that wasn't specific to 4E? Such as what Matt's proposing on the other thread?
And if not, why not? Feel free to PM, if that's any easier.
See my response in that thread. 
Even if I opt not to participate (which is how I would define support), I shan't speak against such a project. I wouldn't even speak against a book of fanlore entirely based on 4E -- I just wouldn't say anything about it, except to route interested parties towards it. My dislike of the 4E Realms is well-known, but I rarely see a need to actually express it. |
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Knight of the Gate
Senior Scribe
USA
624 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2010 : 05:53:25
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Re: the issue of edition-neutral here at Candlekeep. I understand that tempers have flared over the recent "discussion" in the just-sealed 'Cake and Eat It Too' scroll. And I can only say that, obviously, my efforts to keep things free and open for scribes to discuss ALL elements of the Realmslore have apparently failed. I'm not entirely sure where I went wrong, but I'd hate to think scribes are considering leaving because of it.
So, I guess, I can only say that I will re-dedicate myself to the cause of championing Candlekeep as the ONLY place online where any and all aspects of the Realms -- regardless of edition or personal opinion -- can be freely discussed.
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However, as it stands now, I'm just not sure what else I can do. This is going to require some thinking about the current state of Candlekeep, I suspect.
Sage, allow me to lead off by saying that I firmly believe that there is nothing that can be done to allay the current situation here from a moderator's chair. You have (often and loudly) proclaimed the position of the site: CK is edition-neutral. Most (and by this, I mean the vast, vast, vast majority) of scribes have embraced it as well. The problem (inasmuch as there is a problem) boils down to this:
We are Nerds. 
I'm a nerd. A Forgotten Realms nerd. If you're reading this, you probably are too. Nerds are defined (in large part) by the thing over which they are nerdy (or is it nerdly?). Challenge the nerdery of a high-level nerd, and you will be ridiculed with such force as to be hurled from the spot on which you stand at near-relativistic speeds.
How does this apply to our current conundrum? Well, those of us that liked FR as it was feel left out, dejected, and (at times) downright abused by the Realms that is. The adherents of the current incarnation of the Realms feel as though they are being disrespected when we old coots rail on about the damage that has been done (from our perspective) to the object of our nerdly exertions, and this gets their nerd-outrage stoked. It was sort of inevitable, if you see it from this perspective. The solution? When someone posts something that you see as an attack on the object of your nerd-love, take a deep breath: Read it again. Is it possible that this scribe was merely trying to state a point of view? Were they possibly just venting? Remember that it is very unlikely that whatever they wrote was a personal attack. One of the wonderful things about us nerdy-types is that we have strong opinions and personalities. This, however, can lead to friction (there's a reason there's only one alpha per wolfpack... things can get messy otherwise). One of the other aspects of nerdery is that (because many of us have been ridiculed for our nerdery and have had to learn to stand up for ourselves and not back down) many of us could teach mules a thing or two about stubborn-ness (actually, I vote we have a new saying;'stubborn as a nerd' ).
What I'm trying to say is that this is a wonderful place in which we can share our ideas and play in the breathtaking world that Ed (and Steven, and George, and Matt, and oh-so many others) have worked so hard to give us. I think everyone knows that I would rather play russian roulette than play 4E(I kid, I kid) but what would REALLY get me angry is if someone else tried to prevent YOU from playing 4E. That's the really, really great thing about nerds: You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us  .
In closing, I just want to remind everyone that while we can get riled up about this stuff, at the end of the day, we're all just a bunch of folks who like to play make-believe. I think that makes us better than most people,frankly. Now let's try to prove it by being civil with one another. Thank you for your time, and I apologize for this hideous wall of text. |
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2010 : 06:11:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
We are Nerds.
I think everyone knows that I would rather play russian roulette than play 4E(I kid, I kid) but what would REALLY get me angry is if someone else tried to prevent YOU from playing 4E. That's the really, really great thing about nerds: You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us .
Two things:
1: I prefer geek to nerd. Nerds spend their time with their heads shoved in toilets.  Betwen that and there's geek-speak, but no nerd-speak, I think nerds get the short end of the stick.
2. Now that the comedy routine is done, I have to say I whole-heartedly agree with the idea that playing 4e wouldn't be as enjoyable for me as other editions/systems. I do, however, have friends that do play 4e and have a great time with it, and that's the point of GAMING. So, why would I stop someone from having a good time (short of it being hazardous to their health)? That's right, I won't because I'd lose friends and have a harder time finding friends if I were that closed-minded.
Thank you for pointing out that in such a great manner, KotG.
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Jun 2010 : 06:17:13
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do you guys know the difference betweenn a bottle of firewine circa 1329 anf the same bottle 1480?
it just gets sweeter.
HOWEVER
the realms are the realms, the 4e realms fans are just as much stuck ups as some of the 3.x ones etc.
point in note: in the wotc forums the otehr day I read a post saying something to the point that the good thing about 4e realms is that they made all the previous lore gone.
the realms are the realms.
whether you come here at candlekeep, the wtoc forums, at loremaster forums, or insert other site here forums.
you ask a question, you will likely get an answer, but being rude one way or the other(intentional or not) doesnt help the realms.
you have the right to voice your opinion,
constructive criticism is acceptable in all things
rudeness, name calling yada yada vilates terms of use no matter where one posts.
you know what, I talk to much....
So it leaves me to wonder, If I send myself PMs that violate the terms of use, will I get banned for it?? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2010 : 06:39:10
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Jun 2010 : 07:15:41
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Originally posted by sfdragon
So it leaves me to wonder, If I send myself PMs that violate the terms of use, will I get banned for it??
Is this a serious question? |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Jun 2010 : 15:49:30
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On this whole issue, I've tried to see it from both points and gauge both sides of the argument. And I've come to take most of the angst with a grain of salt. As I can only speak from my own experiences, I have seen the divide in the community and it saddens me. Espically since I've come to enjoy both pre- and post-spellplague Realms. But what makes me mad is when my fandom is questioned because of my likes for the post-spellplague Realms. And having to defend that likeness whenever this sort of discussion/arguement comes up just makes it that much more frustrating.
And I guess this sense of betrayal I feel from parts of community comes from my own attitude that there were parts of pre-spellplague Realms that I didn't enjoy or utterly despised, yet I took joy from the parts I did like and made it my own. I was able to adapt the parts that I didn't care for and move on-ward. Yet now the reverse has happened and I see how many people loathe ALL of the post-spellplague Realms and won't even attempt to give it a try or re-work it to fit their own needs. It's as if I stuck it out through the parts I didn't like and now asking others to do the same is incomprehensible.
But anyways, it's why I've decided to just laugh-off the arguments and roll my eyes when some pro- or anti-FR4E poster goes off on a rant. It's just not worth my time (and sanity)to argue the differences and defend my POV. And this is a community based on lore anyways so who cares about edition when there are mre interesting topics to discuss.
So can we put aside these differences (personal and game-based) that we probably can't or won't change to come together and discuss what truly matters, the Realms in it's entirety? |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 04:48:47
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Boy, I'm having all sorts of trouble with
the forums tonight. Had a double post and
then deleted both.
to state my post again,
Oh Fuzzy Gerbal, you have just thrown
down a big ole fatty gauntley, and I'm
callin you out:
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36905 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 05:03:26
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quote:
Originally posted by althen artren
Boy, I'm having all sorts of trouble with
the forums tonight. Had a double post and
then deleted both.
to state my post again,
Oh Fuzzy Gerbal, you have just thrown
down a big ole fatty gauntley, and I'm
callin you out:
Pepsi rules
I call thee a heathen, sir! |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 05:25:58
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Coke (i assume) drinkers shall feeleth the sting
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 05:34:31
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Hey sage:
i know its been discussed before, but I guess I bring it up again.
if a forum split between 1-3 and 4 were implemented, it would be
easy to split up the warring factions. And instigators would have
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 05:50:33
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quote:
Originally posted by althen artren
Hey sage:
i know its been discussed before, but I guess I bring it up again.
if a forum split between 1-3 and 4 were implemented, it would be
easy to split up the warring factions. And instigators would have
no legit reason to crash and war with the other side.
Sorry althen, but I'm still not convinced that it would solve all of the problems that arise over pre- and post- 4e Realms discussions.
The reason I see it this way, is due to the fact that most Realmslore discussions will invariably include mentions of source material from both pre- and post- Spellplague times. And, thus, would make it difficult for both scribes and visitors to determine just where a discussion should be placed.
And, not only that, but I still also believe that segregation is simply not the answer. To me, it only succeeds in further increasing the divide, rather than attempting to heal it in the way Matt James is suggesting with his new Compendium work. We should strive to reach out together and bridge the divide, instead of trying to open it further.
I know this might not sit well with a few of our more regular scribes, but until I'm convinced otherwise, I won't sign off on any forum structure proposal that willingly divides our community -- not when it has an almost 12 year history of collective spirit and camaraderie that we all welcome and enjoy.
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dragonfriend
Seeker
Italy
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 06:35:06
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| I can only say I don't like spellplague. I lurk a lot here, but only where the discussion is pre-spellplague. This is my choice. Should Candlekeep become a 90% post-spellplague forum, I'll not read it. For me this is simple. I love this site and the work of its scribes. |
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 07:01:10
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I'm not a fan of post 1480 realms. I'm a huge fan of post 1385 Realms... That's where my campaign is at right now, and lemme tell you, it's a time for heroes.
I believe that one of the most significant factors in the community schism, here at the 'Keep, is Wooly Rupert. Although a moderator, he is vehemently anti-4e. Nigh a few days go by that he has launched into an anti-4e tirade. If the stated goal of Candlekeep is to remain edition nuetral, it is deleterious to that goal to empower an anti-4e grognard with the aegis of 'moderation'. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 07:10:42
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
And, not only that, but I still also believe that segregation is simply not the answer. To me, it only succeeds in further increasing the divide, rather than attempting to heal it in the way Matt James is suggesting with his new Compendium work. We should strive to reach out together and bridge the divide, instead of trying to open it further. <Snip>
Exactly, and without trying to ruffle any feathers further, 4e retro-actively re-wrote quite a bit of pre-4e lore, making it IMPOSSIBLE to draw a clear line anywhere. In other words, now we know that Gray (our Gold and Silver) Elves were always Eladrin, and that only the 3 groups of 'Wood' Elves are actually 'true Elves' (and those three being the Green, wild, and Dark... Dark as in 'pre-descent').
Not being argumentative - I'm actually starting to appreciate that change (a little) - but the point is that a lot of new terminology from 4e/post-Plague era is part of pre-plague canon, weather we like it or not, so we have to all learn to get along, because CK is, for the most part, a source for CANON information about the Realms, and EVERYTHING official counts toward that canon. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 07:43:49
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| Y'know, I just don't buy that idea, but that's just ONE of the reasons I didn't care for 4th. As Ashe said, I'm a fan of the FR, and Star Wars, and yes, Spidey, too, but that does NOT mean I have to like some of the changes that have occured in all three. (Kiling off Catte-Brie and Regis?! Come ON! I feel the same way about the deaths of Chewie and Jacen Solo...) BUT! I do not have a problem with anyone who likes th post-Spellplague Realms. Let's just all try to get along, and agree to disagree, so that we can get back to enjoying the Realms we ALL love. |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 07:57:15
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 09:52:47
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Correct Matt, but by the same token, people have to respect that if they are writing a piece about Gold Elves that takes place in the distant past, they CANNOT write something that conflicts with the new lore we have learned about Elven origins.
And that's just one example - any articles, no matter what time period, mustn't contradict later lore that is canon. If you don't like it, that is fine - just don't use any of it... but don't go against it in a completely different direction. No 'alternate versions' of FR history, if you will.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 10:07:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
I believe that one of the most significant factors in the community schism, here at the 'Keep, is Wooly Rupert. Although a moderator, he is vehemently anti-4e. Nigh a few days go by that he has launched into an anti-4e tirade. If the stated goal of Candlekeep is to remain edition nuetral, it is deleterious to that goal to empower an anti-4e grognard with the aegis of 'moderation'.
Brace, that's completely uncalled for. And it's a direct breach of Section A.5 of the 'Candlekeep Code of Conduct.'
If you've issues with a particular scribe, you're free to address them either through PM and/or email. But publicly posting such an attack is unwarranted and discourteous.
I'm only going to warn you once. Curb your disruptive behaviour. Further breaches will result in a temporary suspension from this site. |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 16:37:21
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Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
I'm not a fan of post 1480 realms. I'm a huge fan of post 1385 Realms... That's where my campaign is at right now, and lemme tell you, it's a time for heroes.
I believe that one of the most significant factors in the community schism, here at the 'Keep, is Wooly Rupert. Although a moderator, he is vehemently anti-4e. Nigh a few days go by that he has launched into an anti-4e tirade. If the stated goal of Candlekeep is to remain edition nuetral, it is deleterious to that goal to empower an anti-4e grognard with the aegis of 'moderation'.
A significant factor? You want to see a factor then look in the mirror dude! Wooly has taken up for 4th edition more times then I care to count and was big enough to take the heat for it.
A factor? How about people with your mind set that if you dont get on the 4th edition boat then you are a, what did you call Wooly/us? A grognard? You want to see grognards? Go to Dragonsfoot! Grognard's all I can say is God bless em!
A factor? How about you not wanting to let this go? Just cool off let the wounds heal, just breathe. But Nooooooo you just have to start again with another attack, jab or poke. Any thing to keep the wounds bleeding.
Now I know that Wooly can defend himself, but I could not sit on the sidelines any longer!
I am not a fan of 4th edition or the 4th edition Forgotten Realms. I will not go into why here and now. I looked at it and thanks to Barns & Noble read a lot in a nice and comfy chair. I let Wiz-Bro know exactly how I felt with my wallet.
Factor? Just look in the mirror dude!
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Knight of the Gate
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 17:00:31
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Yeah. I tried to be all 'let's be nice to one another', but that's over now.
I have the real solution: We install age-verification software, b/c the people who are all 'hurr durr they doan like the stuff I like and they make fun of me fur it' are clearly 13 year old children. This has all the drama of a middle school spat: Vague allegations, personal attacks, wounded silences, cliqueishness and paranoid delusions.
I'm done feeding trolls. I'm going back to enjoying lore. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 17:05:54
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Okay, let's try to remember that we're here to discuss these problems in a respectful manner. I've already cautioned Brace against making attacks against other scribes. I don't want to have to start issuing warnings to more of our fellows as well.
Keep it friendly! |
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Amarel Derakanor
Seeker
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 17:36:13
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If I have understood things correctly, the majority of the active posters here in Candlekeep care little for the changes wrought by the 4th edition. Especially the RSEs. Why? I guess it is because many have used the Realms for many years, and since the 4E invalidates much of the older lore, through retroactive continuity, and so forth, it is not appealing to use it. After all, the histories of our beloved characters are made real to us through the sense of continuity.
In effect, this means that a lot of people here at the 'keep won't be interested in contributing to a 4E project. It is that simple.
But that shouldn't stop anyone who uses the 4E Realms from starting scrolls here about 4E lore. Just don't expect people to be interested, able or willing to participate.
I can confess that I really, really loathe the fourth edition, and therefore, I certainly won't be able to participate. However, while I may not understand why or how anyone could enjoy the "new" Realms, I don't attempt to force anyone to think like me. Do as you wish. I simply don't care.
But I DO care about being able to voice my opinion without being called a 4th edition "basher" or anything else derogatory. I reckon that others here feel the same way as me. It seems that the minorities always play the "Bohoo! You are a xxxx for not liking us/what we like. Feel sorry for us!"-card. And I am sick of it, people. |
Edited by - Amarel Derakanor on 12 Jun 2010 18:07:33 |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 18:36:49
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So tell me Amarel, did you like the spiderman clone saga?
Boy, o boy. What a big old mess. I think the compendium
has merit, but do we have any idea of how much
old information was retconned? That might lead to continuity
problems that even DC couldn't fix. (ZERO HOUR anyone?) |
Edited by - althen artren on 12 Jun 2010 18:39:01 |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 23:26:46
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Many of us who were regulars over at the WotC boards - folks like myself and Lord Karsus - were literally harassed into leaving, because we couldn't take being attacked every time we voiced our opinions.
Fine... those boards belong to Hasbro and I think I might actually agree with the sentiment that "If we don't like what wotC is currently doing, don't post here anymore".
The thing I don't like is folks trying the same tactics here... and its actually been working to some degree. Hasbro owns the IP... NOT the Candlekeep site itself.
We can't go to a 4e-only format like they have achieved over there - I called the tumbleweed factory and they told me Hasbro's last order has them all sold out. |
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