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Teneck
Learned Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 04 Aug 2009 : 20:00:22
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
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Maybe this immense success of Pathfinder is an indicator of how many people are unhappy with the change.
I am not sure if this is indicative so much of people being un-happy with the change so much as they are MORE happy about the "3.5 update" that Pathfinder represents. I read a lot of posts about how people are ok with the 4e, but I think given a choice people will prefer the update.
Present company excluded of course Mace...us and our cave and all.
BUT...(he said ..cringing waiting for the Mace to fall on his head)
I have read some 4e setting novels lately and have been very impressed...and pleased. So it may not be all sunshine and rainbows...but neither is it all doom and gloom. |
"Go ahead...Sleep in the church...the vampires can't get ya in the church" Any DM...any time.
"He's like a trained ape...without the training"
Simon after Jane trashed the Med lab |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2009 : 20:37:29
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I think it is because Paizo has given people a CHOICE in which system to use and play.
[off-topic]I have read abunch of 4E Realms Novels, and I really liked them. Ed's Waterdeep Series is Top-Notch. Rich Baker's Blades of the Moonsea is outstanding. [/off-topic] |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2009 : 20:39:23
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(bumps head) Ouch 
It ain't so much a cave, as that I'm very happy with the 3.5 version of the game... well, ok, that is a sort of cave, but we got pretty good lighting here, and good air... I won't switch to PF, mainly because it already is a bitch converting the pre 3e modules to 3.5, and updating chars etc. I will, however, most likely use the much more elegant grapple etc. system offered in PF.
Hell, I already switched to the UA XP tables to make progression slower, and should I ever run a new Realms campaign I am of a mind to re-introduce the old multiclassing (or "gestalt") to the game, double xp-cost, no prestige-classes for multi-classed dudes, I just have to do some math and see how much they'll lag behind.
So, my games are usually not "by the book", as it should be. |
Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3287 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2009 : 20:51:36
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| As long as you and yours are having fun. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Teneck
Learned Scribe
USA
133 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2009 : 21:28:16
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Originally posted by Brimstone
As long as you and yours are having fun.
And in the end...THATS what it is all about.
We can all play in the Realms...different times of the realms maybe...but still Mr. Greenwoods world remains the BEST (imho) playground to play in. |
"Go ahead...Sleep in the church...the vampires can't get ya in the church" Any DM...any time.
"He's like a trained ape...without the training"
Simon after Jane trashed the Med lab |
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bitter thorn
Learned Scribe
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 08:10:33
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Originally posted by Teneck
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Originally posted by Brimstone
As long as you and yours are having fun.
And in the end...THATS what it is all about.
We can all play in the Realms...different times of the realms maybe...but still Mr. Greenwoods world remains the BEST (imho) playground to play in.
Here Here! |
"Nobody listens to the Ranger!"
Our groups are all sticking with 3.X classic Realms. |
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bitter thorn
Learned Scribe
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 08:14:00
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
(bumps head) Ouch
It ain't so much a cave, as that I'm very happy with the 3.5 version of the game... well, ok, that is a sort of cave, but we got pretty good lighting here, and good air... I won't switch to PF, mainly because it already is a bitch converting the pre 3e modules to 3.5, and updating chars etc. I will, however, most likely use the much more elegant grapple etc. system offered in PF.
Hell, I already switched to the UA XP tables to make progression slower, and should I ever run a new Realms campaign I am of a mind to re-introduce the old multiclassing (or "gestalt") to the game, double xp-cost, no prestige-classes for multi-classed dudes, I just have to do some math and see how much they'll lag behind.
So, my games are usually not "by the book", as it should be.
I assume you have down loaded the free beta PDF.
I really like the the new multi-classing rules and skill system. If the system as a whole doesn't float your boat you can always get the PDF for $9.99 and pick and choose what you please. |
"Nobody listens to the Ranger!"
Our groups are all sticking with 3.X classic Realms. |
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Randal_Dundragon
Seeker
USA
95 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 16:09:39
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| Which is what you might have to do since Paizo sold out of all their physical copies :). |
Its simple really, Your an idiot and I'm simply a figment of your imagination |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3243 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 16:34:07
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Originally posted by Randal_Dundragon
Which is what you might have to do since Paizo sold out of all their physical copies :).
Please note, they will have a LOT of books at GenCon and retail outlets should be 'well-supplied'*, so you should still be able to get the book, but they might go fast at those stores.
*Well-supplied means that Paizo has shipped all the requested orders from the store. Don't fault Paizo if the Comic Book Guy only asked for two copies on his last order. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
Ashe's Character Sheet
Alphabetized Index of Realms NPCs |
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Teneck
Learned Scribe
USA
133 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 16:56:42
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by Randal_Dundragon
Which is what you might have to do since Paizo sold out of all their physical copies :).
Please note, they will have a LOT of books at GenCon and retail outlets should be 'well-supplied'*, so you should still be able to get the book, but they might go fast at those stores.
*Well-supplied means that Paizo has shipped all the requested orders from the store. Don't fault Paizo if the Comic Book Guy only asked for two copies on his last order.
Hhhmmmmm...I am feeling a "Sick Day" coming on. May have to camp out at the store to make sure I get a copy . |
"Go ahead...Sleep in the church...the vampires can't get ya in the church" Any DM...any time.
"He's like a trained ape...without the training"
Simon after Jane trashed the Med lab |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 20:28:03
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Originally posted by bitter thorn
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
(bumps head) Ouch
It ain't so much a cave, as that I'm very happy with the 3.5 version of the game... well, ok, that is a sort of cave, but we got pretty good lighting here, and good air... I won't switch to PF, mainly because it already is a bitch converting the pre 3e modules to 3.5, and updating chars etc. I will, however, most likely use the much more elegant grapple etc. system offered in PF.
Hell, I already switched to the UA XP tables to make progression slower, and should I ever run a new Realms campaign I am of a mind to re-introduce the old multiclassing (or "gestalt") to the game, double xp-cost, no prestige-classes for multi-classed dudes, I just have to do some math and see how much they'll lag behind.
So, my games are usually not "by the book", as it should be.
I assume you have down loaded the free beta PDF.
I really like the the new multi-classing rules and skill system. If the system as a whole doesn't float your boat you can always get the PDF for $9.99 and pick and choose what you please.
Actually, I bought a hardcopy of the beta rules
The reason why I won't do a through and through change is basically because my group only games once a month and we only made the change from 2e to 3.5 three years ago, and some people are still coping with that... plus I'm way too lazy |
Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 03:15:14
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
(bumps head) Ouch
It ain't so much a cave, as that I'm very happy with the 3.5 version of the game... well, ok, that is a sort of cave, but we got pretty good lighting here, and good air... I won't switch to PF, mainly because it already is a bitch converting the pre 3e modules to 3.5, and updating chars etc. I will, however, most likely use the much more elegant grapple etc. system offered in PF.
Hell, I already switched to the UA XP tables to make progression slower, and should I ever run a new Realms campaign I am of a mind to re-introduce the old multiclassing (or "gestalt") to the game, double xp-cost, no prestige-classes for multi-classed dudes, I just have to do some math and see how much they'll lag behind.
So, my games are usually not "by the book", as it should be.
Minor threadjack, although directly related to PF:
Why not use the "Fast, Medium, and Slow" XP tables for the "gestalt" characters? Theoretically, at least, a slow XP (3 class) character would reach 3rd level in all classes when all other characters are 4th level. Not terribly different, however, I'd say that each gestalt has a differnent XP penalty built in as well.
So, here you go, I hope this inspires:
Single Class character/normal multiclassing: Fast XP table (or UA one, either way...)
Two-class gestalt character/No Prestige classes: Medium XP table and only gains 75% of all earned xp.
Three-class Gestalt character/No Prestige options: Slow XP table and only gains 50% of all earned XP.
That should slow them enough to make a single classed character really useful, as well as let the gestalt do everything that they want.
/threadjack
Now, as to the Realms and Pathfinder: I think that pathfinder is a great way to do things, and I'll be converting all of my future Realms Campaigns to PF. Heck, most of the gamers I run with either play Spycraft or Pathfinder as it is, so I convert lots of stuff anyways
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"These people are my family, not just friends, and if you want to get to them you gotta go through ME." |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 01:42:00
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Originally posted by Jakk
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Per the interview with Jason Bulmahn at 3.5 Sanctuary, a conversion guide will be released as a free pdf on Paizo.com the day the book releases (Aug 13th). It will include rules on how to convert magic items, monsters and prestige classes (among others).
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Originally posted by Markustay
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
What Mark said. I like games that provide conversion information. I don't like games that tell me "everything's changing so much, you're better off rebuilding everything from scratch, so we're not even going to attempt a conversion guide."  That strikes me (violently across the face) as a good way to lose your existing customer base. 
I remember when WotC made that statement, and that was what got me turned away from 4E real fast. But they were right. They really couldn't do a conversion of 3.5 to 4e booklet. The two systems are so completely different, it's impossible to translate everything a character had access to in 3E to 4E without the character having to sacrifice over half of what they were able to accomplish. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 01:59:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That is incredibly impressive! 
I can't help but wonder what WotC execs think of this, considering that 4E still has that new car smell.
you think it smells like a new car?
anyway, it is impressive. I have my order in and can't wait myself. I am a Pathfinder boy now |
When hinges creak in doorless chambers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls, whenever candlelights flicker where the air is deathly still, that is the time when ghosts are present, practicing their terror with ghoulish delight. |
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Pathfinder tweaks for FR
