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Alisttair
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 Posted - 10 Mar 2009 : 17:05:05
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Does anyone know if there are any novels planned or currently being written that will be taking place in Returned Abeir?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Mar 2009 : 22:47:54
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That's a good question. I'd imagine it *may* be a possible area for exploration through novels given it's still largely "virgin" territory in terms of detailing.
I know I'd definitely put my vote forward for something by Ed.  |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 11 Mar 2009 : 01:21:42
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| It would indeed be interesting and I am sure we would see some in the future. It would be great to get various authors take on the region, to include Ed's. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Mar 2009 : 01:35:16
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I myself, hope they don't flesh that area out in novels |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Mar 2009 : 09:29:08
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2009 : 11:18:30
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| Put my vote in to have one written by Ed (I say have him do the first one to kick start it...just don't title it "Elminster in Abeir" or something like that lol) |
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Hyset
Acolyte
Austria
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Posted - 11 Mar 2009 : 14:51:29
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What I would dream of is Elaine Cunningham taking a new shot at "Reclamation" with Arilyn Moonblade visiting "Returned Abeir".
Maybe she could even find a way to explain how Danilo Thann has survived the 100 years gap, too.
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 11 Mar 2009 : 15:23:57
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Originally posted by Hyset
What I would dream of is Elaine Cunningham taking a new shot at "Reclamation" with Arilyn Moonblade visiting "Returned Abeir".
Maybe she could even find a way to explain how Danilo Thann has survived the 100 years gap, too.
Or even something brand new taking place there would be alright.  |
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Mar 2009 : 21:27:32
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Mar 2009 : 23:27:25
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During the Spellplague, the continent of Maztica was teleported away, and switched places with a landmass on 'Abeir*'. Now, Maztica is in 'Abeir', and a landmass that was on 'Abeir' is where Maztica once was. That's part of the concept of "Returned Abeir" in the Realms. Other plots of land that were on Faerūn, and presumably, plots of land that were on Osse, Anchorome, Kara-Tur and Zakhara, have also swapped places with landmasses on 'Abeir.'
*'Abeir' is some kind of continent/landmass/moon/planet/demiplane/plane that, in the past, somehow "latched" on to 'Toril', joining the two as 'Abeir-Toril'. The denizens of 'Abeir', Aberrations, including the dreaded 'Aboleth Soverignty', attempted to colonize 'Toril' during this time. At some point, around -31,000 DR, a group of deities pooled together and "flung" 'Abeir' away.
-- This was all derived from Lord Karsus's "Abeir FAQ" at WotC.
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swifty
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
517 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2009 : 09:39:34
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Mar 2009 : 12:39:58
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Originally posted by The Sage
<snip> *'Abeir' is some kind of continent/landmass/moon/planet/demiplane/plane that, in the past, somehow "latched" on to 'Toril', joining the two as 'Abeir-Toril'. The denizens of 'Abeir', Aberrations, including the dreaded 'Aboleth Soverignty', attempted to colonize 'Toril' during this time. At some point, around -31,000 DR, a group of deities pooled together and "flung" 'Abeir' away. <snip>
It's my personal opinion, but this whole thing just annoys me due to its 'similarity' to Eberron's Xoriat.  |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 12 Mar 2009 : 14:44:27
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by The Sage
<snip> *'Abeir' is some kind of continent/landmass/moon/planet/demiplane/plane that, in the past, somehow "latched" on to 'Toril', joining the two as 'Abeir-Toril'. The denizens of 'Abeir', Aberrations, including the dreaded 'Aboleth Soverignty', attempted to colonize 'Toril' during this time. At some point, around -31,000 DR, a group of deities pooled together and "flung" 'Abeir' away. <snip>
It's my personal opinion, but this whole thing just annoys me due to its 'similarity' to Eberron's Xoriat.
Xoriat...is that new to Eberron or was always there? (pardon my lack of knowledge of things Eberrish) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Mar 2009 : 14:50:05
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by The Sage
<snip> *'Abeir' is some kind of continent/landmass/moon/planet/demiplane/plane that, in the past, somehow "latched" on to 'Toril', joining the two as 'Abeir-Toril'. The denizens of 'Abeir', Aberrations, including the dreaded 'Aboleth Soverignty', attempted to colonize 'Toril' during this time. At some point, around -31,000 DR, a group of deities pooled together and "flung" 'Abeir' away. <snip>
It's my personal opinion, but this whole thing just annoys me due to its 'similarity' to Eberron's Xoriat.
It annoys me because before they came up with this idea, Abeir was a part of Toril's name, added simply to move the planet's entry to the front of the list in the Old Grey Box. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Mar 2009 : 15:16:12
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by The Sage
<snip> *'Abeir' is some kind of continent/landmass/moon/planet/demiplane/plane that, in the past, somehow "latched" on to 'Toril', joining the two as 'Abeir-Toril'. The denizens of 'Abeir', Aberrations, including the dreaded 'Aboleth Soverignty', attempted to colonize 'Toril' during this time. At some point, around -31,000 DR, a group of deities pooled together and "flung" 'Abeir' away. <snip>
It's my personal opinion, but this whole thing just annoys me due to its 'similarity' to Eberron's Xoriat.
Xoriat...is that new to Eberron or was always there? (pardon my lack of knowledge of things Eberrish)
No, the plane of Xoriat has been there since the "official" beginning of the setting. Back from the publication of the EBCS in '04. Check the EBERRON sub-site at WotC for more. |
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Brimstone
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Posted - 12 Mar 2009 : 22:35:43
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-I like Eberron when its in Eberron. What happens in Eberron stays in Eberron, what happens in the Realms affects the Multiverse.
-There does seem to be alot of cross pollination going on lately. But what should we expect when alot of the new desingers cut their teeth on Eberron, and most of the Realms designers(Those that matter that is. ) work for Paizo or somewhere else now. 
-On topic I kinda like the concept of Returned Abeir, but its to foreign a realms concept to me. If Ed, Steven, Elaine, or Rich Baker (Who must be stopped! ) was to write a novel in Abeir or Returned Abeir I would read it. Just my two coppers.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Mar 2009 : 23:00:27
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I have thoght long and hard about this subject. I have decided that I will have nothing to do with "returned abeir". How can it have returned when it never was? If they want to be intellectualy honest and call it Invented-Abeir or borrowed from another wizards property and called Abeir then maybe I might.
As much as it pains me, I will not be reading any abeer novels or aboleth novels. I don't care who writes them. If Ed himself penned it and It was offers to me by a unclothed THO, I am still not interested. I will support Ed through his other good novels series even though they are not in my beloved realms that exists in by bookshelf and will only contai. A handful of non-abeer , non-aboleth 4e stuff.
I hope those who want to enjoy them, but it just isn't my bag baby!
And I am sure if I miss something truly amazing , the good scribe here will spread the word for all to hear!
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Mar 2009 : 23:38:12
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-There does seem to be alot of cross pollination going on lately. But what should we expect when alot of the new desingers cut their teeth on Eberron, and most of the Realms designers(Those that matter that is.) work for Paizo or somewhere else now.
"Cross-pollination" between campaign settings isn't really anything new, though. Thanks to the Great Wheel cosmology and Phlogiston, we often found setting-specific elements, like kender, in other settings, like the Realms for example.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 01:02:03
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Besides, it's not cross-pollination unless it produces a new, distinct setting (from the resulting seeds).
Anyway, yeah, I prefer "Abeir" to simply be part of the planet's name... |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 12:20:22
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Besides, it's not cross-pollination unless it produces a new, distinct setting (from the resulting seeds).
Anyway, yeah, I prefer "Abeir" to simply be part of the planet's name...
Looks like a distinct, new setting to me |
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Tarrok of Halruaa
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Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 18:01:52
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Well, "Wandering Stones" in Realms of the Dead (published last year) is a story by Bruce R Cordell set in Returned Abeir.
I think that one set of Realms novels set on the newly returned continent would be a good addition to the series. Even better would be a set of novels that focus not just on the problems caused by Returned Abeir arriving on Toril but also on what happens to Maztica now that it is part of Abeir... |
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TulkaS-
Acolyte
Greece
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Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 21:14:33
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I think that as it was mentioned in this topic bruce cordell is the most likely to undertake the project not only because he 's already written the short story ''wondering stones '' but also because one of his major characters Kiril Duskmourn is currently missing in returned-abeir .... Furthermore in the books it is implied that the reason she went to this journey was so important that she left behind Angul to achieve it .... and we all know how she felt about the sword !
What say you ? Isn't that interesting ? |
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Tarrok of Halruaa
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 21:36:50
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| You might be right about Bruce Cordell being best placed to write a set of Returned Abeir novels. As for Kiril Duskmourn, she went missing in the Vilhorn wilds, when I was talking about Returned Abeir I meant the whole continent that replaced Maztica in the Trackless Sea rather than the pieces of Abeir that landed on Faerun itself (which are covered in part in novel series like the Brotherhood of the Griffon). |
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TulkaS-
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Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 23:05:05
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Originally posted by Tarrok of Halruaa
You might be right about Bruce Cordell being best placed to write a set of Returned Abeir novels. As for Kiril Duskmourn, she went missing in the Vilhorn wilds, when I was talking about Returned Abeir I meant the whole continent that replaced Maztica in the Trackless Sea rather than the pieces of Abeir that landed on Faerun itself (which are covered in part in novel series like the Brotherhood of the Griffon).
I think that when she went in vilhon wilds she made a trade and she opened a portal to Returned by giving angul to a guardian ! I was referring to that part , or so i recall in my memory ! |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 23:10:06
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| I would be very interested in reading about Returned Abier. In my opinion it's probably the best thing about 4e realms, and I find it to be an extremely interesting concept. |
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Blueblade
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Posted - 14 Feb 2011 : 01:27:55
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Which would make Ed the best person to write novels set in Returned Abeir, being as he created all of it. Yep, even Gontal, the bit that wouldn't fit in the 4e Realms Campaign Guide, that ended up on the WotC website as a Bruce Cordell article. Ed's creation. Reading his Backdrop: Tarmalune article left me itching to read about all of the Dusk Ports and the Sword Lands.
Ed would be my first choice for the scribe of this part of the Realms. Let Ed show the way, then let others (like the superb Elaine Cunningham) step in, bring us new characters, and tell their tales.
Yessss...
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Wooly Rupert
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Feb 2011 : 05:20:06
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I don't like Returned Abeir, but I don't dislike it either. So I will read a novel set in it depending on who the characters are. I'm not a fan of Kiril Duskmourn. She and her ridiculous sword, Angul, bored me in Darkvision. If she'll be featured in a Returned Abeir novel as a main character, I'm going to pass. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 14 Feb 2011 : 05:38:32
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| On one hand I think it would be better if the novel focused on new characters native to Abier, though I can see the advantage of having a Faerunian around as the fish out of water so we can learn more about the culture of the place. I think the best compromise there is to have a Faerunian, but not have them be the main character. Have them be the Watson to the Abeirnian's Holmes. |
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Caolin
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Posted - 14 Feb 2011 : 18:09:09
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Originally posted by Dennis
I don't like Returned Abeir, but I don't dislike it either. So I will read a novel set in it depending on who the characters are. I'm not a fan of Kiril Duskmourn. She and her ridiculous sword, Angul, bored me in Darkvision. If she'll be featured in a Returned Abeir novel as a main character, I'm going to pass.
You haven't read much of the 4E fiction have you? Check out Plague of Spells. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Feb 2011 : 18:42:20
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Originally posted by Caolin
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Originally posted by Dennis
I don't like Returned Abeir, but I don't dislike it either. So I will read a novel set in it depending on who the characters are. I'm not a fan of Kiril Duskmourn. She and her ridiculous sword, Angul, bored me in Darkvision. If she'll be featured in a Returned Abeir novel as a main character, I'm going to pass.
You haven't read much of the 4E fiction have you? Check out Plague of Spells.
I think he skipped a lot of novels |
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