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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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 Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 17:46:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
Shar is really the Master!  
Nonsense, the Master died in the Doctor's arms at the end of series three!
(How much further off-topic can we get?  ) |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 18:47:47
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Originally posted by Zanan
Not that you weren't asking for it!
BTW, if you do go back with another nick, make sure you do not become another ExtinctionBeta.
I'm not worried about that happening.
But yeah, Markus, you could just come back under a different name. Apparently, no one seems to care! |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 18:56:35
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
[quote]Originally posted by Kuje
One of the nice things about Candlekeep is that it is much more civilised than most on-line forums. Is it the benign influence of the moderators? Or is it a side effect of a large proportion of us actually reading books?
I think it's the moderators (especially the fact that they actually participate in the threads) and also the fact that there's a relatively small (and dare I say "intimate") crowd of people. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 19:00:00
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I think a little topic drift is acceptable and even expected. It happens enough in regular conversation, after all. One thing I like, though, is that -- just as in an offline conversation -- the discussion usually returns to the original topic without any interference. Sometimes things do get really far from the topic, but it's not something that happens all that oft.*
Indeed, I reserve the right to post those ridiculous Zelda/Mario & Luigi videos! |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 19:11:46
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Originally posted by Markustay
For someone that professes to be my friend, he starts with me about EVERYTHING, and it's tiresome. The fact that he is the forum lead over there just maks it worse - a person should lead by example.
I think it'd be far more appropriate to discuss your opinion in private with him rather than in public. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 20:27:58
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You are right - Delta/Brimstone managed to bait me HERE into making that comment, so I suppose I'm not safe from having my ire raised wherever I go.
Anyhow, instead of hanging out all day at the WotC forums and droppin by a few others, I found that the last few days I just check in here for a little while, then quickly peruse two or three others, and then turn the computer off.
And I feel good about it; I don't feel like I will immediately have to start defending everything I say. Not that people don't have the right to disagree with me (I've never been THAT pretentious), but when the same poeple do it for 20 posts in a row on the same threads over and over...
And I've actually managed to annoy enough people on both sides of the 3e/4e fence to feel like a complete outsider now. Maybe when all the fanfare/hullabaloo over 4e dies down in 6 months to a year, things will settle down over there enough for it to become enjoyable again.
I really miss all the in-depth Realmslore topics we discuss there, a lot of which are non-canon (which this site tends to avoid). Lurker doesn't work - I tried it - "Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in." It's a real shame, because that site could become a great resource for new players, but as it is, it will just scare them off.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 20:38:19
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Maybe take a short break? I did because I was in Florida. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 21:48:40
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Originally posted by Markustay
You are right - Delta/Brimstone managed to bait me HERE into making that comment, so I suppose I'm not safe from having my ire raised wherever I go.
-Hence the reason I put this () in that post. So my bad, my mistake if you felt baited.
-I have been trying to just lurk now on all Forums. After reading your thread at Paizo, and finding out about "The Watcher's". 
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 22:17:23
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I also quit going to those forums... maybe a year or two ago. Just for those baiting/elitist attitudes there.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Thus, proving the very point that designers were trying to make, and FR players had developed an 'elitist' attitude. When you spend more time arguing about the color of Elminster's bloomers in 781 DR then you do playing and enjoying the setting, something is seriously wrong.
Which day? He changed them about 1/3rd of the way through the year (at his annual bath) from green to red with white polka-dots.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 00:50:26
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by The Sage
Shar is really the Master!
Nonsense, the Master died in the Doctor's arms at the end of series three!
Actually, I meant that Shar was really the Master of the Word of Blake [and thus the entity responsible for the Jihad/Spellplague], since his/her/it's identity was the topic of much speculation for such a long time in Classic BattleTech.
But your reference works just as well. Though maybe it was Shar's hand, [rather than the Rani's], that was reaching for the Master's ring at the end of The Last of the Time Lords.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I think it's the moderators (especially the fact that they actually participate in the threads) and also the fact that there's a relatively small (and dare I say "intimate") crowd of people.
Intimate with Wooly? That really scares me.
But I do tend to agree with what you said earlier. The relative size of the community here at Candlekeep has definitely helped to foster closer relationships between certain scribes. I'm not saying this isn't the case at WotC, because I've made friends with posters over there too. But, here, well... it just feels like a group of friends sitting in some private room full of Realms books, around a big table and chatting away about the world which we all love. It's almost like some exclusive club!  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 01:01:11
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Originally posted by The Sage
Intimate with Wooly? That really scares me.
Sorry.
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But I do tend to agree with what you said earlier. The relative size of the community here at Candlekeep has definitely helped to foster closer relationships between certain scribes. I'm not saying this isn't the case at WotC, because I've made friends with posters over there too. But, here, well... it just feels like a group of friends sitting in some private room full of Realms books, around a big table and chatting away about the world which we all love. It's almost like some exclusive club!
Yes, this place feels "cozy" for me. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 01:55:33
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| Many of the scribes that I feel "close to" here at the 'Keep I actually met over on the WotC boards first. And now I spend most of my time here and very little of it over there. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 01:58:31
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Originally posted by The Sage
Actually, I meant that Shar was really the Master of the Word of Blake [and thus the entity responsible for the Jihad/Spellplague], since his/her/it's identity was the topic of much speculation for such a long time in Classic BattleTech.
I figured as much, just thought I'd go the other route... |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 03:07:00
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Originally posted by The Sage
Intimate with Wooly? That really scares me.
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Neil
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 03:07:43
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Originally posted by The Sage
Actually, I meant that Shar was really the Master of the Word of Blake [and thus the entity responsible for the Jihad/Spellplague], since his/her/it's identity was the topic of much speculation for such a long time in Classic BattleTech.
You know, when info started to come in about the Spellplague and the 4e Realms, I was like 'Where have I heard all this before?' It took a while, but then it came to me: Clickytech!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 06:00:47
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Originally posted by Neil
You know, when info started to come in about the Spellplague and the 4e Realms, I was like 'Where have I heard all this before?' It took a while, but then it came to me: Clickytech!
Needless to say, I was quite annoyed.
That was the first thing I thought of, too. It's an obvious parallel: both the Jihad and the Sellplague blew up the setting, and then it jumped it forward multiple generations.
I love the Realms more than BattleTech, but I hate the Jihad more than the Sellplague. Go figure. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 07:01:08
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Strangely, it's been a couple of the years now since the start of the Jihad, and I still don't know how I really feel about it.
I wonder if I'll find myself thinking the same with the Spellplague too. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 15:16:13
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| I'm a total outsider to this discussion, but I have to say that "Jihad" strikes me as a pretty dodgy name to use. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 15:33:48
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| It's an epic-event tied to the Classic BattleTech setting. Basically, one particular faction -- the Word of Blake, attempts to orchestrate a specific transfer of interstellar power that will garner them significant influence throughout human occupied space. Needless to say, things don't go quite as planned. This faction then throws what can only be called a "Nuclear Temper Tantrum" and plunges most of human civilised space into a bloody conflict unofficially known as the Jihad -- utilising nuclear, chemical, and other fiendish weapons of mass destruction to blast most of the other powers back to the stone age. |
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Neil
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 16:01:07
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I love the Realms more than BattleTech, but I hate the Jihad more than the Sellplague. Go figure.
I think I'm pretty equally annoyed with them both. The Jihad wipes out my faction in BattleTech (I've been playing a Free Worlds League game since I was a teenager), while the Spellplague wipes out one of my favorite places in the Realms (Mulhorand). In both cases, I got hosed by the New Order.
The Realms are my gaming locale of choice, but I have to give props to FASA. Between BattleTech and Shadowrun, they made some very entertaining fictional universes. And now, the only one of my three favorite gameworlds that isn't trapped in some terrible official timeline is Shadowrun. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 16:42:54
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Originally posted by The Sage
It's an epic-event tied to the Classic BattleTech setting. Basically, one particular faction -- the Word of Blake, attempts to orchestrate a specific transfer of interstellar power that will garner them significant influence throughout human occupied space. Needless to say, things don't go quite as planned. This faction then throws what can only be called a "Nuclear Temper Tantrum" and plunges most of human civilised space into a bloody conflict unofficially known as the Jihad -- utilising nuclear, chemical, and other fiendish weapons of mass destruction to blast most of the other powers back to the stone age.
Thanks for the information, but I guess I was just wondering why this event was named "the Jihad", considering that's such a--ah, loaded term these days. |
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Neil
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 17:17:19
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Thanks for the information, but I guess I was just wondering why this event was named "the Jihad", considering that's such a--ah, loaded term these days.
It was named as such before 9/11, although I suppose it was still early enough that they could have changed it. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 17:19:01
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Originally posted by Neil
It was named as such before 9/11...
That makes sense. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 17:28:40
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Originally posted by Neil
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Thanks for the information, but I guess I was just wondering why this event was named "the Jihad", considering that's such a--ah, loaded term these days.
It was named as such before 9/11, although I suppose it was still early enough that they could have changed it.
Not only that, but the Word of Blake is a semi-religious order. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 21:12:22
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I've seen the term 'Jihad' bandied about in other Fantasy Settings before, so this is nothing new. Its funny, because it has a specific cultural meaning in the RW, but most fictional writers just use it as a term for a generic Religious war.
I like the idea of an oppressive theocracy running a 'dark empire', and its one of the few standard fantasy elements missing in FR (well.. we did have Mulhorand, but that was a little TOO RW for my taste).
As for this thread, its gone way off its original intent, but I'm enjoying the banter here. |
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 00:55:46
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More off-topic:
I wish we'd retire words like Crusade and Jihad. The FR use of the term crusade during both Iraqi Wars (the novel Crusade and The Last Mythal trilogy) stuck me as either blinding ignorance of how the word resonated overseas or arrogant disregard for the viewpoint of other cultures. I don't think the word Crusade--or Jihad for that matter--will ever be rehabilitated.
It would have added flavor to each storyline to whip up cool Chondathan and elven terms for such conflicts and use them throughout the stories. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 00:59:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Neil
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Thanks for the information, but I guess I was just wondering why this event was named "the Jihad", considering that's such a--ah, loaded term these days.
It was named as such before 9/11, although I suppose it was still early enough that they could have changed it.
Not only that, but the Word of Blake is a semi-religious order.
And, as I recall, the CBT designers did have some problems with certain US departments when continuing to use the name "Jihad" after those tragic events. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36803 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 01:30:27
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
More off-topic:
I wish we'd retire words like Crusade and Jihad. The FR use of the term crusade during both Iraqi Wars (the novel Crusade and The Last Mythal trilogy) stuck me as either blinding ignorance of how the word resonated overseas or arrogant disregard for the viewpoint of other cultures. I don't think the word Crusade--or Jihad for that matter--will ever be rehabilitated.
Considering that the book came out just a few months after the war in Iraq started, I'm thinking the name Crusade predated any military action over there. It was likely too late to change it when the war kicked off. And considering that it ended a month or two after the book came out, I don't see how it could be an issue.
Hells, for that matter, I'm doubting all that many folks over there that would object to that term are actually reading US fiction, especially Realms fiction.
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Aaron Highcolor
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 01:33:27
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