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Neil
Learned Scribe
Canada
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 Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 04:12:03
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Thalos_Milathriel
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 03:08:30
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I think I'll miss the various elven deities the most. Ellistrae, Sehanine Moonbow etc. I'm a sucker for the elves, excuse me Eladrin. 
To those of you who say you won't miss any gods because they will all live on in your own game world I suppose you have a point, but the FR novels going forward will have less to draw on and will likely be less interesting as a result. To me that is the big loss with these new "Shattered Realms".
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 03:16:07
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I just picked up Paul's Twilight War books and I'm beginning to think that some may have it right that Mask took Shar's place. They've been making a big deal of the Leaves of One Night and how it reveals that Shar makes a huge mistake in the future...
Of course, I know that in my realms, that mistake will prevent the Spellplague.  |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 05:58:41
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
I just picked up Paul's Twilight War books and I'm beginning to think that some may have it right that Mask took Shar's place. They've been making a big deal of the Leaves of One Night and how it reveals that Shar makes a huge mistake in the future...
Of course, I know that in my realms, that mistake will prevent the Spellplague.
It is interesting that we had that big blurb about her "coming weakness", and yet she seems stronger than ever before in the Shattered Realms... |
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 14:33:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Lurue, Finder, Nobanion, Shaundakul, Lathander.... Those are the ones I like the best, that are apparently no longer around (though some may be nerfed to exarchs). As I've stated more than once, I've never liked the tripartite sun deity idea, and even if I did, I don't think that 100 years is nearly enough time for one aspect to fade and another to rise.
I hope your tellin a really not funny joke I'm still heart broken and devastated from the loss of me beloved Eilistraee. I dont think I want to know what the world is like with out Lathander. |
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 19:20:18
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If I waited till I knew what I was doing, I'd never get anything done.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 20:11:21
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Originally posted by Stout Heart
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Lurue, Finder, Nobanion, Shaundakul, Lathander.... Those are the ones I like the best, that are apparently no longer around (though some may be nerfed to exarchs). As I've stated more than once, I've never liked the tripartite sun deity idea, and even if I did, I don't think that 100 years is nearly enough time for one aspect to fade and another to rise.
I hope your tellin a really not funny joke I'm still heart broken and devastated from the loss of me beloved Eilistraee. I dont think I want to know what the world is like with out Lathander.
I wish I was. Lathander is now Amaunator. As for the others, I don't know if they're even in the 4E FR book or not. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 20:34:03
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
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Originally posted by Quale
there won't be 4e Faiths and Pantheons, Rich said
Maybe there will be a book titled "Faith and Pantheon." Or maybe they issue a book called "The Complete Guide to God" in an attempt to recapture the edgy controversy that D&D had back in the 80's. If we're lucky there might even be a foreword by Jack Chick.
As for missing any deities, mine are all right here. After the nonsense and stupidity began with the drow deities I took the decision that a Counter Faerun had appeared, which was caused by Lolth ripping her Godly Realm from the Abyss. That Counter Realms is $E.
If thinngs keep up all they will need to write is a Complete Guide to Shar, and we will be missing almost every other diety! |
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Neil
Learned Scribe
Canada
107 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 21:02:05
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I'm sure Shar would love that.
I mean, I always thought that in the old days a lot of evil gods went relatively unseen, especially the Great Gods Talos and Shar, whereas Bane stood head and shoulders above everyone. But yeah, it seems like Shar has done rather well for herself in the 4e Realms. Bane seems less prominant (if only due to the beating that Zhentil Keep has taken), Talos, Myrkul and Bhaal are gone. I'm not even sure if Talona is still a god. Cyric seems to be more of a cult than a real church these days. Only Shar has really profited over the last 150 years.
Although it would be an amusing twist for Mask to have killed and replaced her at some point, maybe even as far back as the Avatar crisis. |
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StarBog
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
152 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2008 : 22:07:45
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If thinngs keep up all they will need to write is a Complete Guide to Shar, and we will be missing almost every other diety!
Heh. You noticed that as well. Obviously someone at WoTC likes the ole goth birds... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 00:51:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Stout Heart
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Lurue, Finder, Nobanion, Shaundakul, Lathander.... Those are the ones I like the best, that are apparently no longer around (though some may be nerfed to exarchs). As I've stated more than once, I've never liked the tripartite sun deity idea, and even if I did, I don't think that 100 years is nearly enough time for one aspect to fade and another to rise.
I hope your tellin a really not funny joke I'm still heart broken and devastated from the loss of me beloved Eilistraee. I dont think I want to know what the world is like with out Lathander.
I wish I was. Lathander is now Amaunator. As for the others, I don't know if they're even in the 4E FR book or not.
The others are not mentioned in the FRCG. |
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Leon_Stryfe
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 02:06:52
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| Tyr, most definetly. However, I never got over the fact that 3e removed his ties to the real world... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 16:54:47
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Originally posted by Neil
I'm not even sure if Talona is still a god.
If I recall correctly she's still around (maybe as an exarch) and is serving--you guessed it!--Shar. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 17:06:43
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Neil
I'm not even sure if Talona is still a god.
If I recall correctly she's still around (maybe as an exarch) and is serving--you guessed it!--Shar.
No. Talona is still a god in the FRCG. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 17:42:52
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Stout Heart
Learned Scribe
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 18:29:43
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| I have a firm love for in belief in Lathander and the way the rising sun group was described in shadow storm I just don't understand why they would want to change Lathander into that type of god. I love Abelar Corrinthal and everything he stands for he is everything I hope to be I want his Lathander not this new god whos followers pray for dew at the deserts edge. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
769 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 05:18:22
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It's Deneir and Mystra for me.
I agree with you on that one. Some of my favorite realms characters we patrons of those two gods. It really sux that somedays I just wish that this whole thing was a bad dream and that I could wake up and it will all go back to normal. It seems like such a silly feeling for a work of fiction. But I've been invested in this world since I was 17 (34 now) and I hate the fact that someone has come in and ruined it. My only hope is that this is fiction and anything can happen.....maybe someday someone at WoTC will come to their senses....sigh. |
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Kairin
Acolyte
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 13:29:52
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Chyron
Learned Scribe
Hong Kong
279 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 16:27:07
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Helm was my favorite. I was truly saddened by the way he was treated over the years (The Avatar Trilogy, Maztica, The Neverwinter Plague, etc). I kept hoping he would get some good writing to redeem him at some point. Then to add insult to injury someone made him (the god of guardians  ) into a page-boy of the gods who was somehow confounded by Cyric and slain by Tyr????
I don't know who made that decision, but they have singlehandedly ruined the realms for me with that result. I have been a dedicated fan since the original Ed stuff, but now seeing how all this played out I am simply dismayed. I just picked up the new FR campaign guide and there is not even an entry listed for him. I am sure there are others who feel the same way about their favorites too. Too many Chefs in the WOTC kitchen me thinks. It has been a fun ride to this point...but I won't be buying further products beyond this point. Excuse me while I curl up with my old Gray box set one last time.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 23:29:34
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Well, I did say "maybe".
Okay Wooly... Whoops! I mean Rinonalyrna. 
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 23:31:17
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Originally posted by Chyron
Helm was my favorite. I was truly saddened by the way he was treated over the years (The Avatar Trilogy, Maztica, The Neverwinter Plague, etc).
You and me both--and a lot of others. That said, at least with regards to the plague in Neverwinter, the "Helmite" clerics spreading the plague turned out to be imposters. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Artemel
Learned Scribe
USA
110 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 18:15:50
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| Helm is and shall always remain, my characters number 1 choice for patron deity. Most of my characters don't adventure for personal gain, they adventure to protect everyone around them and they feel strongly about their peity to the god of guardians, the ever vigilant one. And to make him a page boy, as someone else mentioned, and to have 2 very wise deities duel over a mistake? Please, between Tyr and Helm, with Torm and Ilmater probably somewhere nearby... there would have been no duel. They would have realized it was a misunderstanding... and then maybe realized it was a setup and they'd go beat the snot out of Cyric or whoever it was that was trying to instigate this mess. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 20:20:08
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Charles Phipps posted a chapter-to-chapter review of the FRCG on Wizard's boards. In his review of chapter 4 (Cosmology) he pointed out:
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Ilmater: is back on Mount Celestia?!?! He never should have moved to Brightwater to begin with but what was the point of moving him if he's going to be back on Celestia to begin with (it's not Mount Celestia anymore anyway---or the House of the Triad)
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* Siamorphe: Has come to serve Lathander (I refuse to call him Amaunator). She's not serving Sune anymore either? What is up with this? Was the whole Tyr/Tymora thing just sideshow theatre? Waukeen is also a servant of Lathander, curious.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 14:51:07
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
So: Much Ado about Nothing.
That's what it seems like. :-/ |
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Nemea of Nowhere
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 23:40:13
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There are indeed a lot of deities to be missed in the 4E realms. I'm not going to say whether that should be considered an absolute mistake/wreck or a work of actual fiction where something bad happens. I will say I miss Mystra most of all, and much sympathy for one like Elminster, to have outlived his love and patron (er, are female deity backers "matrons"?) not once but TWICE (I know I wouldn't take it, but I also want him to stop being so depressed and tired. He's supposed to be Elminster).
Finally, and I may be reading this wrong, but where is Mask destroyed? I have the new campaign setting which everyone hates so much, and it mentions places he's influenced... anyway... whatever, will edit out when someone reminds me what I missed.
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Games are fun.
Arguing only leads to fun if I get to flambe the doubters. :P
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keijemon
Acolyte
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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 00:21:31
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Originally posted by Nemea of Nowhere
(er, are female deity backers "matrons"?)
Let us be gender neutral and call them Sponsors, since they "invest" capital (spells/divine gifts) and in return get promotion. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 16:32:46
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Originally posted by Nemea of Nowhere
Finally, and I may be reading this wrong, but where is Mask destroyed?
He may not be destroyed, but since he isn't mentioned in the 4E FR deity list, he is probably no longer a deity. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 09 Sep 2008 16:33:01 |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 16:37:35
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Originally posted by Nemea of Nowhere
There are indeed a lot of deities to be missed in the 4E realms. I'm not going to say whether that should be considered an absolute mistake/wreck or a work of actual fiction where something bad happens. I will say I miss Mystra most of all, and much sympathy for one like Elminster, to have outlived his love and patron (er, are female deity backers "matrons"?) not once but TWICE (I know I wouldn't take it, but I also want him to stop being so depressed and tired. He's supposed to be Elminster).
Finally, and I may be reading this wrong, but where is Mask destroyed? I have the new campaign setting which everyone hates so much, and it mentions places he's influenced... anyway... whatever, will edit out when someone reminds me what I missed.
The last book of the current Erevis Cale trilogy is supposed to tell us what happens to Mask. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 16:38:12
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzan
Charles Phipps posted a chapter-to-chapter review of the FRCG on Wizard's boards. In his review of chapter 4 (Cosmology) he pointed out:
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Ilmater: is back on Mount Celestia?!?! He never should have moved to Brightwater to begin with but what was the point of moving him if he's going to be back on Celestia to begin with (it's not Mount Celestia anymore anyway---or the House of the Triad)
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* Siamorphe: Has come to serve Lathander (I refuse to call him Amaunator). She's not serving Sune anymore either? What is up with this? Was the whole Tyr/Tymora thing just sideshow theatre? Waukeen is also a servant of Lathander, curious.
So: Much Ado about Nothing.
Re-arranging deck chairs ehh? |
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