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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 04:53:09
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| Mystra. :( |
"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
The original and unapologetic Arilyn, Aribeth, Seoni Fanboy. |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 06:43:42
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I think I would miss every single last one of 'em. Some of the most iconic deities of the Realms are gone (why Mask  ???!).
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Originally posted by tauster
...to repeat what I already said in other scrolls: Why don't we start an organized attempt of expanding the body of lore about the pre-4e-Realms, or even pre-3e-Realms?
I am happy to see that the majority of the candlekeep scribes won't move to 4e (like me, obviously), but to be honest: I am tiring of the constant "not me"-attitude. This is not meant in an insulting way, instead I say let's stop saying "me not" and start acting!
There is sooo much left unexplored in the body of official lore, just a a few examples:
- the Manshoon Wars
- the reclamation wars of the dwarves of Tethyamar
- the Harper Schism
- the internal machinations of the Black Network, details of their "traderoute through the anauroch"-plan
Imho, it souldnt be that hard to establish a more or less organized way of how to do these topics. A couple of sub-forums, one for each topic so the participants don't clutter the existing boards, seems to be a good idea. Then we start collecting all existing lore about the topics, or just a list with references to the relevant books. After that, or parallel to that, brainstorming to collect ideas how to expand and continue the story. As this stuff is obviously not canon lore, these projects create "optional timelines" that will in all likelyhood differ from the established official lore.
...just a few ideas. What do you think?
You're right. I'm not planning to change to 4e yet (maybe in a few years). Untill then there are so many other things I would like to know for example the Manshoon Wars or more about Iyachtu Xvim. I don't own a copy of Cloak and Dagger and the pdf version I have has a lot of blank pages so I'm eager to know everything about those kind of things. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 09:59:03
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
I pulled this quote from a Rich Baker response over on the Wizard Boards.
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But is it really that important to most FR campaigns that there used to be a goddess of streams and ponds called Eldath?
"Gahh! You've centuries of such dross! What care I for mortals now dust and realms long fallen?" |
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StarBog
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
152 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 10:56:19
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Originally posted by tauster
...to repeat what I already said in other scrolls: Why don't we start an organized attempt of expanding the body of lore about the pre-4e-Realms, or even pre-3e-Realms?
I am happy to see that the majority of the candlekeep scribes won't move to 4e (like me, obviously), but to be honest: I am tiring of the constant "not me"-attitude. This is not meant in an insulting way, instead I say let's stop saying "me not" and start acting!
That's a fantastic idea. I recently ran a campaign set around Ascore and the Thirteen Ominious Red-Sided Pyramids of Doom* and would love to do some expansion of the lore around that part of the world.
*Good band name that. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 12:02:06
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Originally posted by tauster
...to repeat what I already said in other scrolls: Why don't we start an organized attempt of expanding the body of lore about the pre-4e-Realms, or even pre-3e-Realms?
I am happy to see that the majority of the candlekeep scribes won't move to 4e (like me, obviously), but to be honest: I am tiring of the constant "not me"-attitude. This is not meant in an insulting way, instead I say let's stop saying "me not" and start acting!
There is sooo much left unexplored in the body of official lore, just a a few examples:
- the Manshoon Wars
- the reclamation wars of the dwarves of Tethyamar
- the Harper Schism
- the internal machinations of the Black Network, details of their "traderoute through the anauroch"-plan
Imho, it souldnt be that hard to establish a more or less organized way of how to do these topics. A couple of sub-forums, one for each topic so the participants don't clutter the existing boards, seems to be a good idea. Then we start collecting all existing lore about the topics, or just a list with references to the relevant books. After that, or parallel to that, brainstorming to collect ideas how to expand and continue the story. As this stuff is obviously not canon lore, these projects create "optional timelines" that will in all likelyhood differ from the established official lore.
...just a few ideas. What do you think?
there is already something like that at the www.forgottenrealmsvault.com/boards/, but it's not active except the elven part
I'm not sure what's Candlekeep's take on this tough |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 18:13:13
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Originally posted by Faraer
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
I pulled this quote from a Rich Baker response over on the Wizard Boards.
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But is it really that important to most FR campaigns that there used to be a goddess of streams and ponds called Eldath?
"Gahh! You've centuries of such dross! What care I for mortals now dust and realms long fallen?"
I remember that quote. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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monknwildcat
Learned Scribe
USA
285 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 23:37:53
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Editing my miss-list to include Eldath. I figured she was safe as a lesser goddess. So I have Urogalan, Urdlen, and Eldath.
Eldath was tough to use as a PC patron but held portfolios essential to a fleshed-out, balanced setting (particularly *peace*, as well sources of fresh water). The Green Goddess had significant bases of worship throughout the Realms; never a first rank power, she made the short list of deities for many regions.
RE: Rich Baker's quote trivializing Eldath's removal? Eldath was important to my FR campaigns, various NPCs, and a beloved PC, and her extensive lore enriched my game.
The value expressed in Rich's comment goes far to explain my lingering concerns about the lore continuity within the Last Mythal books. *shrug* *sigh* |
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Aulduron
Learned Scribe
USA
343 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 00:41:36
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| Mystra and Elistraee |
"Those with talent become wizards, Those without talent spend their lives praying for it"
-Procopio Septus |
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Varl
Learned Scribe
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 01:13:09
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None of them, since they're not dead, but if I were to judge which would impact me the most if these deities were to be blatantly discarded, I'd have to say Yondalla. Masthead of the halfing pantheon, her loss would be felt most imo by halflings. Who's she going to be replaced by? Sheela Peryoyl? Heh. Not that there's anything wrong with Sheela, I think she's a fine goddess herself, but she's no masthead deity. They might as well off Garl and promote Urdlen to masthead deity. 
I have no intention of going along with this travesty of game design, even if it is somehow tied to some alternate, parallel, shadow-Realms or whatever. |
I'm on a permanent vacation to the soul. -Tash Sultana |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 04:22:16
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So anybody going to create the Official Unofficial deity List ??
Including all those who were removed and or demoted that seemed wrong |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
http://steelfiredragon.deviantart.com/gallery/33539234 |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 06:10:40
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| Have a look at this scroll. |
"What mattered our lives now? When our world had been torn from us? Folk wept, or drank, or stood staring out over the land, wondering what new horror each dawn would bring."
Elender Stormfall of Suzail
"Anyone can kill deities, cause plagues, or destroy organizations. It takes real skill to make them live on."
Varl
FR/D&D-Links • 2ed Downloads |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 08:34:41
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| but is that the unofficial official list or the official unofficial list? |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
http://steelfiredragon.deviantart.com/gallery/33539234 |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 19:54:33
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| Mystra because she was always such a staple of the realms (plus she has been surviving and been saved so damn much). |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2008 : 15:46:41
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Originally posted by sfdragon
but is that the unofficial official list or the official unofficial list?
official I think |
When hinges creak in doorless chambers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls, whenever candlelights flicker where the air is deathly still, that is the time when ghosts are present, practicing their terror with ghoulish delight. |
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Ladejarl
Seeker
Norway
55 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 00:31:26
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Originally posted by MerrikCale
This tells me that the design team over Wizards does not understand the Realms. They just don't get it. Plain and simple.
It's not that they don't get the Realms, it's corporate concerns that has to be taken into consideration. The same mechanisms that gives us
Hollywood blockbusters are at work here. |
"There should be much less violence, and more nudity and kinkiness in the world." |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 16:11:22
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Originally posted by Ladejarl
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
This tells me that the design team over Wizards does not understand the Realms. They just don't get it. Plain and simple.
It's not that they don't get the Realms, it's corporate concerns that has to be taken into consideration. The same mechanisms that gives us
Hollywood blockbusters are at work here.
Certainly there was corporate influences in the design, but by Rich saying that it clearly demonstrates he does not understand the Realms |
When hinges creak in doorless chambers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls, whenever candlelights flicker where the air is deathly still, that is the time when ghosts are present, practicing their terror with ghoulish delight. |
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Ladejarl
Seeker
Norway
55 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 19:15:16
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None, as in I'll miss none of the gods. They all live in my Realms.
LadeJarl, who thought he should make a post that's completly on topic. |
"There should be much less violence, and more nudity and kinkiness in the world." |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2008 : 22:24:22
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| Helm, hands down. I've really liked him for years now. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 00:45:44
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No Mask? There is no god.
Wait..... |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 13:59:46
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| It is a lot to comprehend. Or better yet deal with. |
Illum
The Wandering Mage |
Edited by - Wandering_mage on 19 Aug 2008 14:00:28 |
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Yasraena Dawndancer
Acolyte
USA
13 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 14:22:01
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Eilistraee!!!!
Oh, and like about 20 others. But, there is little we can do about official cannon. Except, Just ignore it.
My husband and I have decided to keep with Pathfinder for Forgotten Realms. Its too bad. 4ed D&D is not a bad system. I really don't understand all the changes. I just feel as if so much was just unnecessary.
I feel so bad for Ed Greenwood. He's given us a beautiful world and beautiful characters. I hope he's able to overtime correct some of the problems. Or that future designers resurrect a few Gods. Heaven knows, Bane came back, there is history for it. |
One who has true faith and good deeds, never fears death. |
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Finder
Acolyte
Canada
9 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2008 : 20:14:49
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Well I can't believe they would remove Mask. I know some may say Shar and Mask are generally the same but if you read the realms novels you can see they are not. They don't work together their worshippers act very differently from one another.
With that said I will miss Finder (unless he is a demi-powerwhatever now in service of perhaps Sune or Tymora) However I understand Finder's disappearance more then Masks. Mask's disappearance is enough in it's own to not buy another FR novel/book. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 10:07:45
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the fate of Mask is not known at this Time.
well It noable by one, and its not likely that he'd tell you unless you could bribe him enough to break the nda.
and about 5 million platnium piece would do it, but I dont know anyone who has that laying around.
anyway, Mask may be in Abeir, along with shaundakuel , lurue and others.
but this is not necessarily the correct answer either.
we need mask back, I need to hire him to kill Cyric |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
http://steelfiredragon.deviantart.com/gallery/33539234 |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 15:59:21
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This is all new to me. I knew Deneir bit the dust, but I never heard Mask or Lathander were going down.
Can I ask the source? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 16:24:55
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The new campaign book has a list and if the deities aren't on that list, WOTC wants you to assume that the deities are dead except, atm, for Mask but we aren't sure what that entails yet.
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Originally posted by Firestorm
This is all new to me. I knew Deneir bit the dust, but I never heard Mask or Lathander were going down.
Can I ask the source?
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
657 Posts |
Posted - 20 Aug 2008 : 16:59:43
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Originally posted by Firestorm
This is all new to me. I knew Deneir bit the dust, but I never heard Mask or Lathander were going down.
Can I ask the source?
Lathander has transformed into Amaunathor (again), which was foreshadowded in Power of Faerun. But whereas there it was only a possiblity, it is now official lore in 4e. |
"What mattered our lives now? When our world had been torn from us? Folk wept, or drank, or stood staring out over the land, wondering what new horror each dawn would bring."
Elender Stormfall of Suzail
"Anyone can kill deities, cause plagues, or destroy organizations. It takes real skill to make them live on."
Varl
FR/D&D-Links • 2ed Downloads |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 09:46:29
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Originally posted by Quale
there won't be 4e Faiths and Pantheons, Rich said
Maybe there will be a book titled "Faith and Pantheon." Or maybe they issue a book called "The Complete Guide to God" in an attempt to recapture the edgy controversy that D&D had back in the 80's. If we're lucky there might even be a foreword by Jack Chick.
As for missing any deities, mine are all right here. After the nonsense and stupidity began with the drow deities I took the decision that a Counter Faerun had appeared, which was caused by Lolth ripping her Godly Realm from the Abyss. That Counter Realms is $E. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 13:13:50
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
If we're lucky there might even be a foreword by Jack Chick.
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R0GUE
Seeker
USA
54 Posts |
Posted - 24 Aug 2008 : 21:54:02
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| Eilistraee for sure. Followed by Mask, Sehanine Moonbow, and Tyr. |
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Which God will You miss
