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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
 Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 10:20:50
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A very cynical part of me finds the title "4e Gods" amusing. It's as if there were some celestial R&D department taking the same approach to deities as other corporations take to soap powder.
"Worship the new improved 4th Edition Bane. He's even nastier than before, steals the sweeties of small children, stands up Jaedis[1] on a date, sticks chewing gum on the throne of Melkur[1] and roasts Methodists for his lunch. We've stream-lined his alignment so that he is just plain evil, although he will always stop at a red light. However, he will slam his brakes on at the last minute so that the driver behind has a fatal accident.[2] His word is Law. He deliberately forgets his mother's birthday and has fathered countless children, sometimes in the form of a bull.[3] He is even more naughty than Max Moseley but in a non-consensual kind of way."
Only $39.99 from all good stores and many very bad ones. Buy now and get a free cup of Starbucks coffee, 'Mmm, it's all in the roasting'.
Disclaimer: The Celestial R&D department reserve the right to suddenly remove this very powerful deity from the pantheon if Bane is confronted by a level 12 Warlord carrying a Disc of WoW. Similarly, the Celestial R&D department complies fully with the regulations defined by the supreme deity, Quick Buck.
1. Any resemblance to another fictional character is purely coincidental. There are only 21 consonants in the English language and they must be separated by vowels. Unless you are naming a drow NPC.
2. He does this by actually driving through the red light but then immediately teleporting back to just behind the line. And as a God when he chooses to be an immovable object he can not be moved except by the Celestial R&D department. (See disclaimer {or datclaimer})
3. Resemblance to Zeus is purely coincidental, since Bane took the form of a black bull. |
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Talwyn
Learned Scribe
Australia
222 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 10:25:01
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
A very cynical part of me finds the title "4e Gods" amusing. It's as if there were some celestial R&D department taking the same approach to deities as other corporations take to soap powder.
"Worship the new improved 4th Edition Bane. He's even nastier than before, steals the sweeties of small children, stands up Jaedis[1] on a date, sticks chewing gum on the throne of Melkur[1] and roasts Methodists for his lunch. We've stream-lined his alignment so that he is just plain evil, although he will always stop at a red light. However, he will slam his brakes on at the last minute so that the driver behind has a fatal accident.[2] His word is Law. He deliberately forgets his mother's birthday and has fathered countless children, sometimes in the form of a bull.[3] He is even more naughty than Max Moseley but in a non-consensual kind of way."
Only $39.99 from all good stores and many very bad ones. Buy now and get a free cup of Starbucks coffee, 'Mmm, it's all in the roasting'.
Disclaimer: The Celestial R&D department reserve the right to suddenly remove this very powerful deity from the pantheon if Bane is confronted by a level 12 Warlord carrying a Disc of WoW. Similarly, the Celestial R&D department complies fully with the regulations defined by the supreme deity, Quick Buck.
1. Any resemblance to another fictional character is purely coincidental. There are only 21 consonants in the English language and they must be separated by vowels. Unless you are naming a drow NPC.
2. He does this by actually driving through the red light but then immediately teleporting back to just behind the line. And as a God when he chooses to be an immovable object he can not be moved except by the Celestial R&D department. (See disclaimer {or datclaimer})
3. Resemblance to Zeus is purely coincidental, since Bane took the form of a black bull.
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Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil...prayer, fasting, good works and so on.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 18:33:23
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Originally posted by Talwyn
Does anyone know what has happened to Torm in 4E or has that info not been released yet?
Torm is in, way in. In fact, he is going to be a Greater Deity. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 19:10:30
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
A very cynical part of me finds the title "4e Gods" amusing. It's as if there were some celestial R&D department taking the same approach to deities as other corporations take to soap powder.
"Worship the new improved 4th Edition Bane. He's even nastier than before, steals the sweeties of small children, stands up Jaedis[1] on a date, sticks chewing gum on the throne of Melkur[1] and roasts Methodists for his lunch. We've stream-lined his alignment so that he is just plain evil, although he will always stop at a red light. However, he will slam his brakes on at the last minute so that the driver behind has a fatal accident.[2] His word is Law. He deliberately forgets his mother's birthday and has fathered countless children, sometimes in the form of a bull.[3] He is even more naughty than Max Moseley but in a non-consensual kind of way."
Only $39.99 from all good stores and many very bad ones. Buy now and get a free cup of Starbucks coffee, 'Mmm, it's all in the roasting'.
Disclaimer: The Celestial R&D department reserve the right to suddenly remove this very powerful deity from the pantheon if Bane is confronted by a level 12 Warlord carrying a Disc of WoW. Similarly, the Celestial R&D department complies fully with the regulations defined by the supreme deity, Quick Buck.
1. Any resemblance to another fictional character is purely coincidental. There are only 21 consonants in the English language and they must be separated by vowels. Unless you are naming a drow NPC.
2. He does this by actually driving through the red light but then immediately teleporting back to just behind the line. And as a God when he chooses to be an immovable object he can not be moved except by the Celestial R&D department. (See disclaimer {or datclaimer})
3. Resemblance to Zeus is purely coincidental, since Bane took the form of a black bull.
We must hear more of these musings!! |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2008 : 18:55:55
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Forgotten Realms only had a lot of deities if you think that each one somehow had their own formal 'temple'.
The faerunian deities are pretty much on par with the obscure amount of Roman Deities that no one ever hears about. The Romans had MORE deities than FR and that was never a problem. Rome lasted a LONG LONG time, so they got things right up until the last 200 years or so. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Jul 2008 : 02:30:09
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Originally posted by Mournblade
Forgotten Realms only had a lot of deities if you think that each one somehow had their own formal 'temple'.
The faerunian deities are pretty much on par with the obscure amount of Roman Deities that no one ever hears about. The Romans had MORE deities than FR and that was never a problem. Rome lasted a LONG LONG time, so they got things right up until the last 200 years or so.
Hence why it is difficult to understand why WotC decided that they needed to "cull" the FR deities. Of all of the offenses of the 4e Realms, this is probably one of my least favorite. That and the fact that they used the Spellplague to "selectively reorganize" the face of Toril (i.e. take a carving knife to it). And mind as well add the fact that instead of coming up with a viable story as to how the 3e Dragonborn became the 4e Dragonborn, or using a different name for the 4e Dragonborn, they decide to retcon a retcon (3e Dragonborn where introduced in Dragons of Faerun, and seem to be retconned out now). Silly to say the least. |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2008 : 09:43:36
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The Forgotten Realms only had a lot of deities if you add them all together and ignore the fact that there are lots from different races AND cultures and that the Realms are sooo big that you could play in one corner of it and be happy while never even seeing Waterdeep or Baldurs Gate or Neverwinter or [insert any other of a whole lot of locations]. If you just look at one "corner" of the Realms it gets a lot easier because there is a dominant deity around most of the time with the appropriate "enemy deities". Halruaa is a magic society and Mystra is the chief deity with Azuth having devoted followers as well. Quite easy to comprehend IMO.
IMO WotC failed the campaign design (and 4e) because they are greedy (keeping the brand name "Forgotten Realms" and "D&D") while being lazy (not really starting with a blank sheet of paper for the campaign, which would have eliminated the need for obviously "stupid" explanations for senseless changes). So we would end up with fewer options than we had before if we would actually use that world. |
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
222 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 01:43:49
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I can't understand the loss of Talos...
After all the destruction brought by the SpellPlague-time-of-trouble he should be the greatest god of all!
Any clues? I'm missing something? |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 06:30:03
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Originally posted by Arioch
I can't understand the loss of Talos...
After all the destruction brought by the SpellPlague-time-of-trouble he should be the greatest god of all!
Any clues? I'm missing something?
Talos wasn't killed, Gruumsh revelead that Talos was a "human" aspect of himself. |
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
Italy
222 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 08:31:12
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Talos wasn't killed, Gruumsh revelead that Talos was a "human" aspect of himself.
Thanks a lot Skeptic
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Question:
Could someone point me to the source of this information? I read that was an Ask-the-Author post from WoTC RichBaker but I'm not able to find it...
Thanks a lot! |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 11:37:00
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
Out of curiosity, is the PC allowed to win?
Yes, absolutely.
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And, if they do, what happens to the exarch?
I guess they die, in that campaign. Of course, a DM could do whatever he wanted, and perhaps make the exarch return somehow. Although as I said, killing a god is supposed to be a finale of sorts for an epic level campaign--it's not supposed to be something common, according to the designers. One could argue that if the death of the exarch/god wasn't permanent, you'd be robbing the PCs of the satisfaction of having killed them.
Does that make sense?
The whole point of the Age of Worms adventure path is to kill Kyuss -- twenty levels of adventuring to take out a single demi-god ... and a meagre one at that!
Ugh! I am feeling the urge to unearth and post widely Ed's story of the convention kid who basically wanted to "win" D&D. Okay, kid, you've killed a god, now what are you going to do for an encore? Get lost in a steam tunnel, maybe?
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StarBog
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
152 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 11:54:07
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| Oh, do go ahead, this tale sounds interesting |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 16:29:55
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| Less gods = less variety. The so-called "streamlining" of the pantheons gives the PC less options to personalize his character's religion, and I can't be on board with that. |
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Ghost King
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Dec 2008 : 08:51:09
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Well been a long while since I posted and hello again from the grave if you don't remember me. *Coughs and dusts off the cobwebs*
I've picked up the new 4E Realms and I have to say I for one am disappointed with a great many vacant seats left after this "Spellplague". But I'll roll with the punches with my DMing and PCing. The one thing I'm severely disappointed is that Helm ended up dead, which I guess because his sole purpose was to protect Toril (which having a whole other planet slapped on top of it would probably be considered a threat to Toril proper).
I can even buy Cyric killing off Mystra being the god of murder and strife (and also having a past connection with her mortal half plus the fact he is freaking insane to begin with). Weave collapsing to make the "Spellplague" and ripping apart the world in the heavy magic regions (although completely wiping out whole empires to smack others on top of them was a bit harsh, but again I can deal with that).
The only thing this setting has done is one thing, I can now let PCs play the reincarnated versions of all those gods/goddesses they decided to put on the pyre as a sacrifice to their new system. I think it will be interesting, in fact I plan on asking my DM to play the "reborn" Helm. Probably a tactical warlord in full-plate to keep with his Planning portiflio, but regardless, I'm bringing them back. If Bane and other deities cheat death then so can the good old dieties that were around when humans were just figuring out the concept of fire in Faerun (remember Mystra/Mystryl did this a few times if I'm not mistaken so why not one more time! ).
Anyways, that is how I am handling the changes going to take the ashes and rebuild it bigger and better than before!
Side-note: Mind telling RAS to give me a cut of the profits from the book he is currently using my name for. Liches have been stealing my name for eons and now writers! *Sigh* Oh well, I guess when you're popular... (Just kidding, but if you do have money to spare...) |
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ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
Learned Scribe
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2008 : 19:20:44
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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One of my favorites is also LuRue the Unicorn. Meh.
Another Lurue fan! Yay!
she's probably a goner though
NOOOOOO!!! I need Lurue! At least let there still be Mielikki if Lurue's gone! |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Tabardad
Acolyte
Canada
7 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2008 : 19:42:04
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| What's this I hear about Mask and Shar being fused together? Is that speculation, or did I just read something wrong? :s |
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Ghost King
Learned Scribe
USA
253 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2008 : 20:33:35
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I think it's just speculation at the moment. He's kind of in Limbo at the moment until the writer's decide what Fate will do with him. Personally, I think it would be a mistake to have Mask, the god of thieves, not exist anymore and to be absorb by Shar or her pet. But then again, WotC forgot to put in my direct emergency phone line to them in my house much to my surprise. |
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Tabardad
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 : 00:13:32
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I can't really see it happening.. I like em both.. But together? Eh..
Mask got the short end of the stick by losing some of his power to Cyric.. It'd be too painful for me to watch him get subsumed by Shar. |
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Braveheart
Learned Scribe
Austria
159 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2008 : 18:16:16
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Originally posted by Tabardad
What's this I hear about Mask and Shar being fused together? Is that speculation, or did I just read something wrong? :s
Well not "fused together" exactly, but the Realms in 1400+ DR think he's dead. Dunno if you read "Shadowrealm" yet, it reveals quite a lot about the relationship between Shar and Mask. |
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Ateth Istarlin
Seeker
United Kingdom
80 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2008 : 12:23:25
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Yes, it's a real "WTF??" moment!
(Needless to say - "Not in My Realms!"). |
The more I read about 4FR, the more depressed I am.
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Rabiesbunny
Seeker
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Posted - 18 Feb 2009 : 20:37:38
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Have any of you seen the new picture of Bane? It's up on the WotC website - and his new dogma is as well.
He looks and sounds like a perfect Hextor fused with Tempus.
: I just never got WHY they had to make Asmodeus into Bane, make Bane into Hextor. Couldn't Bane stay Bane and Asmodeus stay Asmodeus? I guess 4e, though, probably wouldn't separate Nobanion and Siamorphe, because they're too similar. They'd become some kind of noble woman kitty with wings. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 Feb 2009 : 23:56:44
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Originally posted by Rabiesbunny
Have any of you seen the new picture of Bane? It's up on the WotC website - and his new dogma is as well.
That's the "core" Bane, not the FR Bane. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Rabiesbunny
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 04:19:25
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
That's the "core" Bane, not the FR Bane.
;) All the more reason for them to have kept Hextor and left Bane outta it!
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"Then I was right. Jobe has all his children killed, and Michael Bay gets to keep making his movies. There is no god." |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 18:52:48
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| For some reason the WotC designers didn't think Hextor or his half-brother Heironious were all that interesting (or dare I say it, cool?) enough. I read as much way back when, when they were discussing the new core deities. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 19 Feb 2009 18:53:00 |
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