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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 24 Mar 2009 : 20:31:37
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So, what is going on there? El's tower is gone - does he rebuild? If not, where does he go? Sylune's gone, but so is the dead magic field. I understand Mourngrym isn't the Lord anymore. Who is? Florin?
Basically, I need answers on the general and specific state of Shadowdale after Scouring of the Land.
Thanks.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Mar 2009 : 23:08:00
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Originally posted by Menelvagor
So, what is going on there? El's tower is gone - does he rebuild? If not, where does he go?
I think all we know about this as of now is that Elminster eventually settled in Storm's farmhouse (which now lacks Storm).
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I understand Mourngrym isn't the Lord anymore. Who is? Florin?
Azalar Falconhand (son of Florin and Dove) is officially the Lord of Shadowdale. In the adventure, however, there were other options, such as convincing Mourngrym to continue being Lord, or having one of the PCs become Lord.
Note that I have not personally played this adventure, I just happen to know the answers to these particular questions. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 24 Mar 2009 23:08:38 |
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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe
Israel
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Posted - 25 Mar 2009 : 06:41:05
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| Thanks. It's simply so frustrating knowing so many thiungs have changed, yet not knoing what happened. Especially in 4e. |
"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.
"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.
"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."
"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'." |
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The Simbul
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 25 Mar 2009 : 10:27:01
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The Shadowdale adventure has a sidebar that describes what the "official" outcome of the adventure is for purposes of continuity with future products, lore, and novels. In addition The Grand History of the Realms and the 4E description of Shadowdale in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide expand on the outcomes of the adventure.
Azalar Falconhand, thanks to the effort of the PCs, is able to lead large numbers of fey in their return to Shadowdale. This results in a resurgence in the population of benevolent fey in the Living Wood, which changes Shadowdale for the better in 4E. The strong ties to the Feywild along the Ashaba and the re-taking of the Fey Crossroads that surrounded it enable Fey to return to the dale and its environs in greater numbers. The Crossroads in the Living Wood and along the Ashaba also serve another important purpose in 4E: since the mythal of Myth Drannor seals the city from all planar connections, it causes Shadowdale to serve as the major crossing point for the Fair Folk journeying from the Feywild to Myth Drannor.
The defeat of the Army of Darkhope, killing the Matron Sisters of House Dhurnivv, causing Jezz the Lame to believe the Zhentarim betrayed him, and returning the Warblade to Ilsevele all grant victory points in the wider Cormanthor War. These actions of the PCs serve as a major turning point in the struggle for restoring Myth Drannor, which in turn enables Ilsevele to secure her realm, dictate terms of truce to Fzoul, and ultimately become Coronal with the blessing of the Srinshee and the Rulers Blade in 1376.
Lastly, for fans of the Seven Sisters (and continuity in general) it is worth noting that Syluné is NOT included among the exhaustive list of beings who are noted as “officially dead” in that sidebar, nor does the timeline summary of the adventure in The Grand History of the Realms say anything--at all--about her fate.
More importantly, the adventure itself yields enough opportunities for a determined party to reach 13th level by its conclusion, thereby gaining access to the 7th level cleric spell resurrection. Aumry's Tomb contains Syluné's ashes listed under "treasure", which combined with the silver fire the PCs still possess thanks to Sylune’s Kiss (they can regain an additional use of the power by praying at her shrine in Chapter 5, after expending it in Chapter 3), the rules for resurrecting creatures who were previously undead (her spectral harpist existence was already ended in the prologue), and the noble nature of her sacrifice, make the resurrection of Syluné perfectly accomplishable under the game rules and the published lore at the denouement of the adventure.
Therefore, Syluné is not officially dead, and the Players, Dungeon Masters, and future authors have every opportunity under the lore to restore her from such a condition. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Mar 2009 : 12:49:03
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Therefore, Syluné is not officially dead, and the Players, Dungeon Masters, and future authors have every opportunity under the lore to restore her from such a condition.
True, unless the players utilized Syluné's kiss to destroy the shadow ritual that was tearing the weave from the area. Then it specifically states that she uses her remaining lifeforce to stop the ritual.
Also, I don't recall any mention of her ashes in Aumry's tomb, but that is probably just my memory. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 26 Mar 2009 : 03:33:29
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Originally posted by The Simbul
Lastly, for fans of the Seven Sisters (and continuity in general) it is worth noting that Syluné is NOT included among the exhaustive list of beings who are noted as “officially dead” in that sidebar, nor does the timeline summary of the adventure in The Grand History of the Realms say anything--at all--about her fate.
Maybe they didn't bother to list it because Syluné has been 'officially dead' since the official Realms began?  |
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